Answered: Marriage in Fire Emblem Fates

Fire Emblem Fates releases next week in Japan and, although we know a lot of the key details, there is still one burning question in many fans’ minds:

Image from Awakening.

Image from Awakening.

Is marriage–a hugely popular feature in Awakening (and which first appeared in Genealogy of the Holy War)–in this new game too?

Yesterday’s Treehouse Live skirted around this question somewhat, which has done little to ease worrying fans.

However today, we now know the answer to that question.

For those who don’t care for spoilers, I’ve hidden the answer below…

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Yes–and children too.

According to the latest issues of Dengeki and Nintendo Dream, which release on the 20th (but have leaked in advance), marriage and children work in a similar manner to Awakening.

Upon reaching a support level of “S” with a compatible (opposite-gender) character, those two characters will marry and their children will join them on the battlefield.

From the limited information we’re presented with, it seems that once again there are special “confession” images for the Avatar’s chosen spouse.

However in a slight twist, the identity of the child appears to be determined by the father, rather than the mother, like in Awakening, with the mother passing down her hair colour instead.

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The examples shown include the Avatar and Felicia’s child, Kanna, and Tsukuyomi and Orochi’s child, Shara. Curiously, Shara’s appearance and dialogue resembles Tharja from Awakening…

As of this moment, it’s not known where the children originate from. In Awakening, they came from the future, but it would be terrible story-telling to use the same trick twice.

That said, Kanna’s dialogue could be a hint: she mentions going to fight with her father (the Avatar) in the “outside world”. Do these children exist in some alternate reality that reflects the real world?

Update

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Something Japanese fans noticed from the Treehouse stream: the Simplified status screen has space for up to three relationships, like in Awakening.

This suggests certain characters–like the Avatar–can have up to two children. For example, if the Avatar marries Olivia in Awakening, his relationships would be Olivia (Wife), Inigo (Child) and Morgan (Child).

Likewise, the third space means that it’s not impossible for (non-sibling) children in Fates to marry each other (and maybe even the Avatar, like in Awakening).

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  • MagicBarrier16

    Awesome!

    Also, before the guys get too excited: The Avatar probably won’t be able to marry Camilla, since she’s his older sister.

    • Soky42

      She’s his older “adopted” sister. I think we can still dream.

      • Inhumanity Rises

        Still “sister” and it wouldn’t be fair to Hoshido players since they’re denied Hinoka.

        • FedoraPaint

          they already did the “adopted” sibling thing in Awakening with Aversa… and video games in general are not known to be fair with everyone, so…

    • kiu

      Well to be fair, the Nohrian siblings aren’t biologically related to the Avatar tho so it’s not out of the question… unlike Hoshidan siblings I guess, lol

      • Fallen Angel

        Basically It’d be the same as marrying aversa, seeing as how she’s your Step sister technically

        • superdawge

          The difference is that you didn’t grow up with Aversa and Robin doesn’t consider her family. Kamui looks to Camilla like a true blood relative sister

          • Fallen Angel

            Though she will constantly bring up herself as his “little sister” (which is weird cuz shes’s like 6-8 years older than crom but i digress)

  • Lord Kamui

    Wouldn’t the children existing in an alternate reality be like Awakening’s time travel? You know, Outrealm stuff. But we saw Aqua and Kamui entering portals in the introduction video, so it’s the most likely theory.

    • Aveyn Knight

      I guess it depends on your perspective. Some people just don’t like time travel as a plot element, full stop XD

      Garon also mentions that the Ganglari is infused with power from another world, so clearly there will be outrealm stuff in the plot.

      • Inhumanity Rises

        Awakening just did it very badly is all.

        I don’t have faith that they can pull a Marvel and handle Time Travel well like with Rachel Grey-Summers.

      • Delvin Pitts

        By the way the way kanna say it in the magazine, she saids it like she was training all these years more then coming from a another world. Ok who said that when coming from another world anyway because the last time I checked that’s fucking odd.

  • Mehh….even though they go hand-in-hand I’m moreover happy about the children just for the fact that we get more characters. Looks like I’m just going to keep on doing that male skinship thing instead/ find the most open female out there to marry. In Awakening the only reason I went with Anna was because she seems to be the type who wouldn’t care if Male MU ended up with a guy if she could just sell the photos.

  • Kid at Hart

    Man these games really are gonna be as long as Awakening, huh? Well let’s see…I have over 500 hours on Awakening spread across four game files, and this entry is gonna be three games long spanning Nohr, Hoshido, and the third route, and if I play a minimum of three files per game, then that means……….I’m boned.

    And my immediate first thought in how they tie this together was the first Fullmetal Alchemist series. I won’t get into too many spoilers on that, but I don’t think the answer is gonna be time travel.

  • Ale. A. Santi

    i gotta choose my avatar’s husband…!….

  • Firion Hope

    Hopefully the not birth related imouto is a valid option

  • FinalFight

    Soooooo… still no homosexual marriage?
    Not even with Camilla and Joker?
    What a let-down.

    • Ikr, if anything Camilla seemed like a shoe-in for some yuri….or bisexual antics.
      If anything there better be more platonic same-sex supports/ don’t have every female able to support with all the guys (just to make their supports more unique compared to Awakening when you just knew that some guys and girls would never work out with each other, despite having the option to)

    • Inhumanity Rises

      Seems to be the case, sadly. Maybe next game?

    • Burning Gravity

      It’s their characters, their story, and their game. So of course, they’re going to do what they want. And unless they had a team full of homo people, I doubt they’d ever be interested in including such relationships.

      Not sure why anyone would get their hopes up about such a thing in the first place. -_-‘

      • FinalFight

        And their characters and their stories have always been rife with homosexuality, even in the most recent game.

        You don’t need to have a “team full of homo people” to understand that homosexual and bisexual people exist, and even then, considering the usual homosexuality rates and the size of the team working on this game, it’s more than safe to assume that more than a handful of them are not heterosexual.

        Many fans (not just bi/homosexual fans, mind you) were very vocally upset about the lack of same-sex marriage options in recent titles like Awakening and Tomodachi Life, and Nintendo even responded by saying that they didn’t recognize how important it was to their fans and that they would keep it in mind for future games.

        You don’t need to be homosexual or bisexual to understand or support such relationships, especially for a game developed in Japan where recent trends of yuri in media are usually met with high popularity and approval.

        But no, forgive me for getting my hopes up that a character like Camilla (who has on multiple occasions been stressed to be hopelessly obsessed with Kamui) could marry female Kamui. Especially considering that Velka’s profile suggests that Camilla is AT LEAST bi.

        • rainmaker6261 .

          Approximately two percent of the general population is gay/bisexual. It’s a miniscule cross section.

          I’m left handed and often had to use right handed desks in high school because there aren’t nearly as many southpaws. And the percentage of left handers is far higher than the percentage of lgbt individuals.

          Being inconvenienced by membership in a minority group is part of life. It’s unfortunate but understandable. Gotta learn to suck it up.

          • FinalFight

            2% is a really conservative estimate, many studies go up to 5% or higher. In more modernized areas, especially large cities and areas where religion isn’t prominent, the estimates can get as high as 15%, and keep in mind this isn’t counting people who don’t want to admit it on record.

            Don’t compare the hand you write with to the gender you’re attracted to, the difference there is massive.

          • rainmaker6261 .

            Not in this context. In this context there is no difference, because in this context I’m simply demonstrating that the needs and wants of smaller groups can’t always be adequately met. If you and your brother want to go to Applebees but everyone else in the family wants to eat at the Olive Garden, you’re probably gonna have to go to the olive garden. The needs and wants of the many outweigh those of the few.
            Also, local population statistics of cities are irrelevant, although the two percent might have been a bit conservative. I’ve seen some report as high as four and even five as you suggested, but that doesn’t change the fact that the number is incredibly small

  • RasenShot

    Now, I feel so damn pathetic, but I wonder if the amiibo version of FE characters are going to have support convos with you (like spotpass unlockable characters in Awakening) cuz you know… these news.

    • Doctor Robert

      It used to be “Is Roy and Marth in this game?”

      Now it’s “Can I marry Roy and Marth in this game????”

      • RasenShot

        Well, we already know that they are in the game via amiibo/spotpass/whatever, so yeah, that’s the next question :^]

  • DanijoEX the Amazing Owlzilla

    Well…that’s good to hear. I’m happy about that, at least.

  • Oh man. Outrealm thing again… I hope this thing works now esp with the better writer.

  • Skorm94

    Mhh okay if they put the marriage system back in since so many people enjoyed it, but the children as well? Would have liked it more if it was an awakening thing only. Guess we’ll have to wait and see how well they fit into the story.

  • Inhumanity Rises

    Argh! They’re reusing the Time Travel stuff yet again!?

    • Joseph Rogers

      I mean, in the game where it first appeared, it didn’t use time travel, it skipped ahead to a time through peace where the children were fully grown. I believe it was with Sigurd and Seliph.

      • Sam Loser2

        Yes, but that game also killed off all of the parent generation. Do we live in a time where gamers can handle that?

        • MasterJP28

          Well that’s a spoiler…. lol or not at this point. I would love a time skip in FE once again. That would be awesome!

    • Delvin Pitts

      No you waited like years If I’m correct.

  • bunny

    Does it actually outright say “straight couples only” in the scans or is that just an assumption?
    I mean, I know there’s no point in hoping I can actually be gay this time, but I can’t help it 🙁

    • Chaincat

      looking at it from a mechanical standpoint, it only makes sense that they would only allow straight marriages because of the children and skill inheritence

      • FinalFight

        There are ways around it though, for instance allow same-sex marriage just with no resulting kid, or adoptive replacement kids like in FE4.

        • tanki motoko

          There was gay marriage in fe4?

          • xendrill

            No there weren’t gay marriages in FE4, but when a character didn’t get married in the first generation, there was a different kid in place of the one that would be in the second generation cast had the character gotten married. The replacement has worse stats and growths.

          • tanki motoko

            ahh I get you

          • I think what they’re getting at is if there’s no boink-boink then there would be a new character in place of the child that was supposed to be there. Either that, or having the supposed “child” be an apprentice to the father instead of actually their child (as the children are now based off of their dads). But oh well, not like either two choices will be happening.

          • tanki motoko

            No they said something about replacement units

    • Soshy

      i’m sure there won’t be any gay marriage, because there can’t be any child with gay marriage

      • bunny

        This is a world where people can shoot fireballs and transform into dragons and stuff, I don’t think gay couples having children would be too farfetched. Especially if the kids are actually from another dimension or something, which seems to be the case.

        • Soshy

          you know that will never be the case, i think it is more weird for gays to have kids than having dragon transformation.

          • there is so much wrong with that statement

          • Soshy

            well whatever, LGBT statements bore me as much as my statement does to you

          • I wouldn’t say that you bore me….but more like I feel dissapointed in you in general and your mindset.

          • tanki motoko

            Well it’s true in this time period it’s not like there was much beyond adoption.

          • that’s the point. It’s almost like Lone is saying adoption is even out of the question (obviously I’m not even referencing current medical procedures)

        • Jespoke

          Seriously, i can not STAND mpreg, the game going anywhere near that will completely ruin LGBT representation, and be a big spit in the face to actual NORMAL gay people

          • bunny

            They don’t have to do mpreg or anything, just “oh hey, look, it’s our magical child from another dimension” or whatever would be fine. Maybe one of the gods blessed them with the (already-born) child or something? There’s a lot of ways they could do it that wouldn’t involve mpreg.

          • rainmaker6261 .

            nah they don’t need to bend over backward to cater to two percent of the population. Unfortunately it would be neither practical or logical

          • bunny

            By that logic they also shouldn’t have the option to have red hair, nor should they translate the game into German.

          • rainmaker6261 .

            Sure, if you want to compare inclusion of a hair color and German translations to having to write and program numerous support conversations that approximately two percent of people will have any interest in reading. Of course such a comparison is asinine.

            Bear in mind that programming a hair color takes virtually no time at all. Also bear in mind that translating the game to German opens up the game to approximately 100 percent of the German 3ds gamer market and would be responsible for driving every single sale of the game in Germany.

            So in summation hair color takes very little effort from them-ie low investment, and translations literally open up entirely new markets in which the game can be sold- ie yields potential for high reward. Gay supports fit neither of these categories. They require a decent amount of investment and will drive few to no sales.

            I personally don’t care either way. I’m just explaining to you why the developers likely didn’t deem it worth their valuable time and energy.

          • bunny

            I realize it would be a lot of effort to make support conversations between every single character, but really I’d be fine even if it was just exclusive to the Avatar. And presumably the Avatar can A-support everyone already anyway, so it wouldn’t be that much work to write the S-supports as well. Heck, even if they only made it possible for a small amount of characters, that would still be better than nothing. It would definitely bring a lot of attention to the game as well, and most likely bring in quite a few more sales. Sure, not as many as a German translation would, but a considerable amount nonetheless. Assuming your 2% statistic is accurate, the amount of gay people who bought Awakening is about half the amount of Germans who did so, and I’m sure a lot more would buy it if they could actually be gay in the game. A lot of straight people too, based on what I’ve seen of various fandoms online. Even disregarding this, some other companies do allow gay relationships in their games, and they haven’t had any loss because of it from what I’ve heard. Nor do I think they really considered that in the first place.

            Either way, in the end, it all boils down to feeling actively alienated in games I would otherwise love – time and time again. I mean, yeah, I’ll play it and enjoy it anyway. But it would be nice if I could actually feel like my avatar represents ME, for once, instead of forcing me to be something I’m not. Is that really too much to ask for?

          • Alex W.

            Absolutely this. At LEAST make the MU able to S-rank same-sex. Hell, I’d even pay money as some sort of stupid DLC, I don’t care. Just let me be me.

          • Joseph Rogers

            Dude, just as the guy before you, Youngotakubwoy said, this is still a medieval setting – where every male had to marry a female and every female had to marry a male for lineage’s sake, even royals. I’m sorry, and just so you know, I do support homosexual rights, but that’s something for this current century and beyond. If they make a Fire Emblem based on today’s situations and takes place in the today, maybe they’ll do it, but even I as a supporter realize that even the mention of that is incredibly idiotic.

          • Umad?

            There won’t be. This is Nintendo. Nintendo is a conservative Kyoto based company. Nintendo would not make a game with gay marriage. There will probably only be tongue in cheek stuff like in the last game, but there absolutely will be no marriage between same-sexes. You have to take in mind that this is a medieval type setting with kings and queens and lineages being important, they would make a proLGBT statement and change the child making mechanic with a far fetched story asspul.

          • Jespoke

            That is right, but i fear to even think about what the FE14 tags on Tumblr will become. Not to mention that it would be terrible storywriting. Im getting way too rilled up by this, but it really irks me.

            A gay pair that has an adopted/magically created child would be cool, more than one instance of it would get really weird really quickly

          • bunny

            Fair enough, I was mostly thinking they’d limit it to the Avatar anyway though. (Especially since otherwise, all gay couples would have two kids and all lesbian couples would end up with none, since the kid is linked to the father.) Not that they’ll do it in the first place, but if they did.

  • Sooooo a Ricken + Maribelle mate and end up with a Tharja? What the heck went on with that girls’ childhood to make her end up with that personality?!

    • Delvin Pitts

      That’s not maribelle. Also the is more flamboyant than rickan

  • JDT001

    RIP hype. I know its a popular mechanic and all but I absolutely hate the mechanic to death!

    • Delvin Pitts

      Well shut and go to hell it’s optional. 😉

      A new group is rising and your small tiny old faggot group is dying. XD

      Funny thing is I wanted to come so to make you old geeks pissy.

      • JDT001

        Holy shit! have some respect! I stated an opinion of mine and you said “Go To Hell”. This is unbelievably offensive on so many levels! What is wrong with you! calling the people who don’t like a certain aspect of the game fags WTF we have opinions as well! You need to learn to accept others opinions. You support gays in FE don’t ya, well I don’t but do you see me bitching at every comment talking about it? NO! Because unlike you I don’t get my internet enjoyment fucking with others! I know I just gave you what you wanted but seriously hating on the people with opinions other than yours is fucking wrong, and even worse than that is attacking someone with words as offensive as “Go To Hell”!

        • Delvin Pitts

          I’m actually laughing right now because it shows that old fans are useless and old farts. This makes fire emblem different from other strategic games.

          Either way I got the last laugh. XD

          • Franchezco Marice Lamont

            I’m still laughing cause you’re ignorant and arrogant.

          • Delvin Pitts

            Ignorant if what? Because old fans don’t like new thing to the series? Sims , pokemon , and harvest moon have this mechanic and fans love the series, because sometimes a character in video games having a family make them more human and special in story’s or for players.

          • Franchezco Marice Lamont

            Those are irrelevant since those games are built around it from the beginning and that’s how it’s meant to be played (Though Pokemon doesn’t marry. We just force animal cruelty to be the very best). Fire Emblem was built with different mechanics. It’s what Fire Emblem is leading too is more what Old Fans (That aren’t weeaboo’s at least) fear of and dislike. And having a family doesn’t make you more human. Understanding and morals do. Look at FF7.

          • Delvin Pitts

            Pokemon has a breeding mechanic were you created fighters, pokemon were also built to fight.

            Ff cloud has a little adoptive kid that he takes care of.

            Some of your old fans shipped lyn or Marth.

            Your fan base loves a game that has trope characters, colored haired, anime move set , art that’s based on old anime, and original fantasy cliché story.

          • Franchezco Marice Lamont

            Breeding and Marriage is different. I can make two pokemon make a baby and then make the baby… with mum… grows, but whatever. Ugh! This is just disgusting talking about it. I’m done.

          • Delvin Pitts

            Really? Creating units to fight and die for you that’s not like pokemon breeding, in war you need a army and of course you need to breed that army. The marriage thing is just a thing to make it less messed up.

          • Franchezco Marice Lamont

            But said by everybody “It’s optional”.

          • Delvin Pitts

            No shit dipshit.

          • ShadowDragon

            You seriously need to chill, Delvin. The older games were just as enjoyable as the current ones and you need to respect that they will have their opinions. Seriously, marriage, kids or not, I’m just glad they kept the support conversations and as long as the story is still excellent, I could give a flying care.

          • Delvin Pitts

            There are a lot of strategic games out there nintendo just needed to give it something a little new. Besides people love ship characters especially Lin and Marth. D

          • Delvin Pitts

            Don’t forget nintedo watches us online sometimes .

      • I’ve been reading other comments and you keep replying to those not really interested with the marriage system. Stop acting like a rude kid and start respecting their opinions.

        • Delvin Pitts

          Respect things that the players have the power to choose in other words respect optional things.

    • quackpenguin

      noone cares

      • quackpenguin

        about you

  • Soshy

    i guess it would be more interesting if they could add a new mechanic for marriages, i mean adding a side quest which includes a flash back of the spouse’s past. it helps for more character development and could make the marriages a bit more interesting

    • Like those extra chapters that are unlocked in Fire Emblem 7? That would be interesting O:

  • kal

    No no no nooooooo~
    I liked how the supports worked in the previous games (well, except for RD) but the mariage mechanic… This is just fan-service, seriously.

    • Delvin Pitts

      Well shut and go to hell it’s optional. 😉

      A new group is rising and your small tiny old faggot group is dying. XD

      • Cat

        I get the feeling that you’re only a troll, but stop using the same argument over and over again. All of them just seem really childish and have no evidence or whatnot to back it up. It’s really annoying.

        • Delvin Pitts

          Evidence of what I’m just mocking them smarty.

          • Franchezco Marice Lamont

            Or bein a dick. Sorry. Someone had to say it.

          • Delvin Pitts

            You Guys had it coming anyway the way you acted.

          • Franchezco Marice Lamont

            You seriously need to get out of this community.

          • Delvin Pitts

            Your community is nothing mor then a small little accident from a fighter game , you’re not real veterans the japs are.

          • Franchezco Marice Lamont

            OH!!! HE SAID A NAUGHTY WORD! RACIST!!!

          • Delvin Pitts

            Japs is short for Japanese. Anyway you guys are not use to this yet because you didn’t have the old fe before.

          • Franchezco Marice Lamont

            No seriously. Japs is actually racist. Keep that in mind.

          • Delvin Pitts

            Uh huh, do you have anything new?

    • True Blake

      so you mean FE4 was fanservice?

      cause this is a mechanic from FE4

      • Franchezco Marice Lamont

        You’re right, but atleast FE4 didn’t have over-sexualization and the pander-fans of the Western part of the world.

        • Delvin Pitts

          Uh fire emblem had sexy girls before duh dipshit.

          You know again you can still kill your self.

          • The DanMan

            …How has this guy not been banned yet?
            There’s a difference between “naturally attractive” and “deliberately sexualized”.

          • Have you flagged him? We should all combine powers and support to flag/ban this guy.

          • Franchezco Marice Lamont

            The good ol’ Triangle Attack?

          • With the 100% crit? Sure.

          • Delvin Pitts

            Oh trust when I see some of those art work I know what I see.

      • kal

        That’s not exactly the same because in my opinion in FE4, there was a concrete plot and the marriage and kids system was well done whereas in FE13, they tried to redo it and to me, failed. True, the fact that you can practically marry whoever you want, that you have endless possibilities to do so is innovating and brings more fans to the franchise, but I actually think it brings a lack of personality to the characters, or that they are being too stereotypical. I’m talking about the kids, not the parents. It’s paradoxical, I know, but the kids seem quite shallow to me and the child-father supports are generic. If the developers took their time to write so many supports, why couldn’t they write more about individual child-father support?

        Hope it’s understandable, because I’m not a native English-speaker.

        • Delvin Pitts

          Failed? They added them as mor units to your army also it was pretty simple too “the future was in trouble so they come back to help prevent this”. Well the child is produce by the mother thee father could be anyone you choose so it might take a little longer especially when that was about to be the last game. Also there are plenty of tropes in fire emblem franchise You dumb fuck.

          • kal

            “Failed?” Just read again the reasons I said this.

            Indeed, the franchise is full of stereotypes which is why I said “I’m talking about the kids, not the parents” because it’s the parents who are the archetype characters and the kids being stereotypical. And indeed again, “if the developers took their time to write so many supports, why couldn’t they write more about individual child-father support?”

            You seem slightly blind, or you might have a selective eyesight?

    • Cat

      There’s a lot of mixed feelings over the marriage mechanic. It’s always been in fire emblem actually, except it usually only happened when you beat the game with certain characters at A level support. I’m an old fan and I’ve always liked to pair people up before the game ends. So I don’t really care about how they do it as long as it doesn’t become a flat out waifu simulator.

      • kal

        I know it’s always been in Fire Emblem but like you said, it only occurred when you beat the game with certain characters when they reached A support. That’s why I really how the supports worked in the previous games because it wasn’t that present in the plot while in FE13, it’s practically waifu and hubby.

        • Cat

          True, awakening did put a little more emphasis on the marriage system, but I only did it for the kids lol. But I’m not very familiar with the way the marriage system worked in FE4, so I can’t really make and harsh judgements on FE13.
          I do know that the supports were made easier to get in FE13. Before I always had to make good use of each character’s limited number of support conversions for the endings I wanted with them.

        • Delvin Pitts

          Actually because you finally get to create own character in the game, again this mechanic before, but the thing is in fe 7 they created a sequel for money instead of adding the time skip mechanic like fe4. You dumb ass, use your fucking head next time.

          • kal

            Don’t worry, I use mine, but you should use yours because what you are saying isn’t relevant to my comment.

    • Delvin Pitts

      Also nobody gave a a flying shit about your final fantasy spin off franchise.

      • The DanMan

        …Anybody who knows anything about videogame history is laughing there socks off right now.
        Please stop making yourself look like an irate idiot and leave.

        • Delvin Pitts

          I’m not talking about history I’m making fun of your game.

  • Sara Jaye

    Somehow I doubt we’re going to have the Awakening marriage mechanics all over again, actually. Yeah, we’ll have marriage and children but Awakening was all for the fanservice. Fates seems to actually be putting more thought into the writing so I imagine we’ll at least have same-sex paired endings even if they can’t make babies.

    • Your assuming a lot to say they put more thought into the writing just because they hired a manga Ka. It’s not like his stories were the best ever.

  • FinalFight

    I’ll StreetPass fight you for her.

  • chris123sm

    Kinda expected the marriage system, but not the children thing really. Wonder how they are going to explain how the children got to the present anyway. People need to calm down about this tho, it’s not like it’s a bad/weird thing having your characters marry, again it’s completely optional.

    • RasenShot

      Exactly, I don’t get why some people make a lot of fuss over something optional. Sure it MIGHT be a little bit ridiculous to have the time travel thing again, but we still don’t know for sure if that’s how you meet the children.

      • chris123sm

        Thank you. I guess some people just don’t want the same thing that Awakening had with the children, but im all for it really.

      • Morgan Rodgers

        The “it’s optional” argument does not hold water. I think of it this way: you have a friend who throws great parties. Then at some point there starts being a corner of the house where people can go get a free handjob. “It’s optional!” some people say. “You don’t have to go get a handjob if you don’t want one! A lot of people really love the handjobs!” But at some point, you start to feel like it’s just not your kind of party anymore…

        The marriage/child mechanics were well-incorporated in FE4. Having a time skip and starting a whole second chapter really worked. The “we come from the future” mechanic was shaky at best in Awakening, and the marriage system was so open-ended it really took away from a lot of the characterization (everyone had to be much more of a blank slate for the “they can pair with anyone” thing to work). We don’t know how exactly the children will be shoehorned in here. Maybe they will make it really work well! But it’s easy for a lot of people to have a bad feeling…

        • Delvin Pitts

          1: the handjob thing is completely stupid, because of women, gay guys, guys with a spouse or girl friend. In other words saying people love Hand jobs is completely. Stupid, also diffrerent.

          2 : there are a lot of parties with that type of action you need a better way to describe something.

          3: you have to be the gayest fucking twick wod to cry of something minor as this, also do you do everything other people do?

          4: the optional thing means people like you don’t have to do, it’s bloody harmless.

          5: in war there kids with the story they can be the main protagonist, a ride along, or a cheerleader.

          6: you know this is why I make fun of you guys in wank off forest, because you don’t let other players have fun on something that’s harmless and it’s over a game that’s not even worth the dirt under my shoes a game that has irrevent gameplay, cliché fantasy stories, colored haired anime heroes, and trope charaters from video game, anime, or some other made up story.

          P.s want you guys to remeber that your fan base is about to die and when it does I’m going to take a good laugh at old fans and wish them a bloody and painful death.

        • RasenShot

          Holds no water? Dude, it’s a fact it’s optional. The whole example is so silly that made me laugh, but I do see your point. Regardless of that, as with any annoying fanbase, can’t you just ignore it?

          I agree that FE4 had a better mechanic at introducing 2nd gen. units, but I never had a problem with Awakening’s time travel. As for the marriage system, it was pretty open on which character could marry another, but if you paid attention to the support conversations, you’ll notice that some relationships work out better than others. As for the inclusion of children again, I’m just hoping that it’s not time travel again, we just had that in Awakening, but as you and I said, we still don’t know HOW. It may still have a chance.

          • Morgan Rodgers

            I’m not arguing about whether or not it’s optional, just making the point that it’s easy to be bothered or feel alienated by it even if you aren’t forced to participate. I didn’t think characters were well developed in Awakening; a few supports gave details on their past, but more likely you just get elaboration on their “quirk”. But yeah, I do think it’s possible they have a “how” scenario that makes sense and doesn’t feel forced and adds a lot to the story (but I am still really annoyed by face-touching minigames, no matter how optional).

    • Franchezco Marice Lamont

      We make a fuss cause it’s the “Not Fire Emblem way” and “It’s weird because players just play for pander” and other crap. Rather simple but over used excuse. A game about smart strategy, planning, complex system and we get this. And the optional isn’t optional when you’re playing Lunatic+. You then are forced to play this Waifu Emblem 2016. That’s basically it. Veterans basically just hate the marriage system and that fanbase, but they’re not wrong.

      • chris123sm

        How is it not the fire emblem way, Awakening wasn’t the 1st FE game to do the marriage/child system. So what if it’s a strategy game, what’s wrong with having a feature that bonds your units together that is completely optional? While supports for Awakening were helpful, it’s not like it forced you to watch the confession scenes or the support conversations, just simply skip them and get your ”precious S support” that you need so much for lunatic +. Please, if anything most veterans welcome back this system because it’s a nice bonus feature to the game that is, once again, completely optional. Please stop trying to act like this system ruined the FE you love, because you are in the minority if you think that the marriage and children features are a hindrance to the game.

        • The DanMan

          FE4 did it differently and much better, with an entire 1st/2nd gen split.
          Also, the mechanic feels tacked on. The only reason they even included it in Awakening was as a shout-out to FE4 in the first place.
          It only really exists to cater to those who are obsessed with the “Waifu Emblem” crap. It’s fanservice and pandering for the sheer sake of it.
          And “most veterans welcome back the system”? On both sides of the fandom and the Pacific, I’ve been hearing nothing but arguments and complaints about this that mirror each other.

          • chris123sm

            Fe 4 had it’s way of doing it with the time skip, Awakening had it’s way of doing it with time travel which made sense in the game. Unlike Fe4 though, children were pretty much irrelevant to the story, besides Lucina, so once again it’s most likely just going to be something there as a bonus to getting units married. I wouldn’t say the only reason they did it in Awakening was just as a shout out to Fe4, they just brought back the idea that was only used in 1 other game and it worked. Like I said, its optional so if it bothers you that much that they brought it back because you say people wanted it then just skip it, or don’t bother with the children. The only reason some people are complaining is because they don’t know how they are going to implement how the children got there in the 1st place. They are just worried that they might use the same reasoning as Awakening with the time travel thing, but I really doubt its going to be the same reasoning so unless it is, don’t know why people are this upset about it.

          • The DanMan

            Also, as I’ve said before, regardless of execution the mechanic just feels tacked on to try and maximize sales. Executive meddling, much?

          • chris123sm

            There’s literally much better stuff to bitch about the game then this. If the children and marriage systems are bothering you that much, then that’s your problem. Whether it’s the fans or just the system in general that you don’t like about it, then, once again, that’s your problem. And what’s the problem with trying to maximize sales? If adding an addition like this again will increase sales, then what the fuck is the problem. They didn’t add this system again just for the people who only care about marrying characters and getting every kid, like you said. It’s literally just a side mechanic that you can simply skip.

          • Delvin Pitts

            Actually nintendo watches is on the internet all the time now and they watch people play match maker with fire emblem before awakening. Also besides the males and females are really lonely so why not , because let’s be be honest anyone who spends more time on fire emblem then real life is going to be lonley.

      • True Blake

        I’m a vet and I love it, though.

        The support conversations and paired endings always stood out, especially in Sacred Stones. It’s not pandering, it’s just adapting and evolving.

        And believe me, I have a ton of issues with Fates that drive me up a wall, but this is hardly the thing to go after.

        • Franchezco Marice Lamont

          I have nothing wrong with the marriage and supports and stuff. Sorry guys if you got me wrong, but it’s just the fanbase that annoys me. Support has been in FE since forever so I don’t have a problem, but people who only play Awakening, don’t touch Classic with 15 foot pole and just play for the marriage system is why I hate it.

          • Cody D.

            I feel like it added a lot of depth to the game as -imo- much of the dialogue was fairly amusing and made your units seem more like real people. I see you issue with it seeming mandatory though with support pairing advantages and child units being veritable gods if built properly (I know my Lunatic Classic playthrough would have been shot without Brave weapons letting Chrom/Lucina support strike Grima with their Falchions 4 times each in one turn)

          • Adrien Brown

            I can understand the thing about the fanbase cuz i completely agree that ther’ye annoying but the fanbase doesnt realy have to do with the gameplay and functions of the game plus i mean i personally wouldnt make a big deal about the why ppl played awakening and stuff just because everyone has their own reason to play a game… getting mad over it is just isnt going to help anyone but this is just me adding my two cents ^~^

      • Bertran917

        Ive played all the games and i love what they did in Awakening, honestly that was the best way to bring Geneology back. In this veterans opinion the series just gets better and better

      • Delvin Pitts

        Great speech, but now take branch a shove it right up your ass because your final fantasy spin off franchise

      • Sara Jaye

        They’re not wrong, but neither are the people who like the marriage system and that fanbase. If you hate it so much don’t buy the game. No one’s forcing you.

        • Franchezco Marice Lamont

          That doesn’t make sense. Like I could have known what Awakening was going to be like when I bought it. And even then, you’re telling someone, on Fire Emblem website, to not buy Fire Emblem.

          • Sara Jaye

            Except SF and Famitsu pretty much TELL you what the games are gonna be like before you buy them.

            And just because it’s an FE website…well, okay, maybe there’s something else about Fates you’re interested in. But you seem so angry about the changes, and why play a game that makes you angry?

    • Sara Jaye

      Exactly. The fact is, fandoms and playerbases change. Franchises change. This isn’t “pandering to the Waifu Crowd”, this is “Awakening tried something, the game proved a major success so we’ll give the players more of what they liked”. The old guard has the option not to buy this game, or use the marriage mechanic. No one’s throwing the pre-Awakening games in the trash and saying “sorry, no more for you”.

      I think the fandom is just overreacting and getting angry isn’t going to change a thing. Buy it or don’t. You have a choice.

      • chris123sm

        Pretty much. I don’t really get what some people are mad about since the marriage/children systems in Awakening were great and added alot of different ways you could pair up units etc. Guess some people are just doubtful because they think they are going to use the time travel thing again as a reason how the kids are there anyway.

        • Sara Jaye

          I loved the mechanics of the old games too, but if I want them I’ll just…play those games! And marriage+babies dates all the way back to Seisen, which is the most popular pre-GBA game.

          I just hope same-sex A supports can have paired endings too, even if they’re not overt with the HoYay/LesYay subtext. Because from the sounds of it, marriage+children isn’t as big a theme in this game.

          • Chromatustigmata

            It’s not the marriage and kids that bothers me, as a hardcore FE veteran. It’s how they’re going to be explained.
            FE4 had the first generation marry and produce children. The first generation was then roasted by Alviss, and there was a timeskip, meaning that it was a very viable reason for the second generation to become the new main cast. In Awakening, we had the whole despairing future thing. That was a large part of the plot. But I’m wondering how kids will fit into the whole “fend off Anya/Nohr” and “Revolutionize the kingdom from within” paradigms of Hoshido/Byakuya and Nohr/Anya, respectively. Marriage has been around for a long time in FE, and tended to be at the end of the game, with characters confessing love at the A support, so it really doesn’t bother me.

      • Dominic

        I hate this “If you don’t like it then don’t play it” argument. Even ignoring the marriage mechanic, the games are still quite good so I still have many reasons to play it anyways. There’s nothing wrong with providing constructive criticisms and demanding a level of quality from one of Nintendo’s flagship franchises in order to make it better for everyone. I don’t many are inherently against a marriage mechanic, but the way it was done in Awakening was not very well done and could use a lot of renovations. The fact that children are returning despite the logical inconsistencies is ominous at best.

        • Sara Jaye

          Fair enough. But the marriage mechanic is still optional and so are the kids and it gets tiresome to see people complaining all the time about a mechanic they’re not being forced to use.

          • Dominic

            Well I actually want my characters to get married I just don’t like how it works here. Like if the Avatar gets married, why is the wife never in any cutscenes – it just feels so unnatural that she wouldn’t become more important to the plot afterwards. Plus you never see any interactions between them after the marriage besides for some random in-battle dialogue. I want the marriage mechanic – I just want it to be done properly

          • Sara Jaye

            Ah, I see. Apologies, I misunderstood.

            To be honest, that bothered me about Awakening, too. In order for the Avatar’s spouse to matter a female Avatar had to marry Chrom and there was a goldmine of feelings to explore from other characters. Lissa, Lucina and Frederick at least retained a teeny bit of relevance since they’re plot-important anyway, but what about characters like Tiki?

          • Dominic

            LOL no need to apologize – and yeah thats my biggest issue with marriage as well. I think Ideally Fates will have a bunch of cannon relationships you can build if you want to and the MU is the only one with some choice so that each relationships gets a large deal of development. Not to mention things like Cordelia crushing on Chrom even after she’s married, like aren’t you happy with your own man *ugh

    • Coop Coolidge

      Sorry. I’m a bit out of the loop. So I’m reading that some fans are upset about the whole marriage system, but I don’t understand why. The old support systems in FE7-FE12 were not that great, especially FE Radiant Dawn’s. Why are people opposed to the current system? I enjoy being able to see multiple support conversations before deciding on my favorite based on their interactions and class specialty. Children double the fun and make for a badass line up of troops. So, where’s the downside here?

      • chris123sm

        It is true that a good amount FE supports are pretty stale, especially in Radiant Dawn. The only reason some people are opposed to the marriage system is because they think it was only added back in for pandering due to the fan-base it created in Awakening. Even tho Thracia had marriage and children, some people act like Awakening was the only FE game that had these mechanics. That’s the thing though, there is no downside so the people getting worked up over it are retarded. It adds way more character development, more characters with the children, and allows players to pair up people based on how they want.

        Overall, the marriage/children features are ones that only improve the game with what they add. The small portion of people complaining are only complaining because they couldn’t care less about the side features such as marriage, and only care about the game-play. Also they don’t like how the FE fan-base has changed with Awakening with a lot more people focusing on the characters, aka waifu wars and such.

  • klkAlexar

    Uhm, Orochi kinda looks like a sexual predator. I liked the children characters in Awakening well enough, but I would have preferred if we had skipped them for Fates. Hopefully they’re completely optional and I can leave them for post game.

  • The DanMan

    *Sigh*
    …After my initial frustration,… I’m disappointed.
    There’s no real reason for the 2nd generation to exist outside of pandering to those obsessed with “Waifu Emblem”.
    Way to pour cold water on our hype, IntSys.
    This just feels really shoe-horned in; the initial trailers and such makes it seem that IS was trying to tell something big, epic, and different, only to eventually start playing it safe, first bringing in the Awakening expies, then marriage, then the child mechanic.
    I can’t see this positively effecting the game overall; it’s just going to hold it back for a lot of people.

    • rainmaker6261 .

      optional content is optional. shouldn’t affect your opinion of the game either way. think of it like an optional minigame

      • Sara Jaye

        Yeah, what rainmaker said. No one’s going to force you to make the characters get married and have babies. The kids are optional, if you want to play an epic dramatic story with no waifus and babies then go for it.

    • Then dont marry duh, stop ur support until A rank and it’s all good, whiny kid

      • The DanMan

        This argument holds no water. The mechanic offers gameplay bonuses. So penalize myself, then? And to use a modified analogy from someone above, if you’re at a party and suddenly a corner where people can smoke opens up, sure “it’s optional”, but you really start to get the feeling that it’s just not your kind of party anymore.

    • Delvin Pitts

      Well shut and go to hell it’s optional. 😉

      A new group is rising and your small tiny old faggot group is dying. XD

      So go dig up your grave and lay In it.

      • The DanMan

        …I see that basic respect and politeness is something few on the internet have.

      • quackpenguin

        chickens lay eggs, people lie down fgt

        • quackpenguin

          learn english fgt

        • Delvin Pitts

          Some times I people I will pronounce lay instead lie. Duh

    • Franchezco Marice Lamont

      Poor DanMan. You’re gonna get so much hate.

    • Delvin Pitts

      Come out dimples you were asking for this, come on how about you a play with bear or dig up a grave for you and lay in it.

  • xendrill

    This news saddens me. It’s almost as if Fates lowers my expectations every time I hear something new about it.

    • Epsilon

      how many fire emblem fans does it take to change a light bulb?
      Two. One to change the light bulb and the other to say the old one was better.

      • Soky42

        I admit, that was a good one. Sadly, it’s all too true.

    • Delvin Pitts

      Well shut the fuck up and go hell. 😉

      Your group is dying and a new big group is rising.

      • TheIrishVaultDweller

        Do you need to use that reply for everything here? It’s annoying

  • OnyxKing

    Does anyone else notice that creators seem apparently ship the Male Avatar with Felicia i mean look at Chapter 7 with the Nohr Path.

    • Doctor Robert

      Yup, OTP stuffs going on there.

      I̶ ̶w̶a̶n̶n̶a̶ ̶m̶a̶r̶r̶y̶ ̶A̶q̶u̶a̶ ̶b̶u̶t̶ ̶a̶s̶ ̶s̶h̶e̶’̶s̶ ̶p̶a̶r̶t̶ ̶w̶o̶r̶m̶h̶o̶l̶e̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶A̶v̶a̶t̶a̶r̶ ̶a̶p̶p̶a̶r̶e̶n̶t̶l̶y̶ ̶e̶a̶t̶s̶ ̶h̶e̶r̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ d̶i̶n̶n̶e̶r̶,̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶’̶s̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶b̶a̶b̶l̶y̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶ ̶g̶o̶i̶n̶g̶
      ̶t̶o̶ ̶h̶a̶p̶p̶e̶n̶.̶.̶.̶

    • Sentinel

      Not surprising.

      There’s always that one character that seems to get a little more attention with the main character.

  • Doctor Robert

    Well, pretty much every Fire Emblem had a marriage-system of sorts… if you got an A support between the right characters, they got married AT THE END…

    Right now, I’m hoping that instead of lazy-writing-kids-from-the-future crap, they take after FE4 and have a timeskip. As the Avatar is part dragon (the most dragon-like of the lot of their varied siblings, if I’m honest; nobody else has got pointy ears…) maybe that means the Avatar has draconian longevity too and won’t look too much older after twenty years… thus explaining why we haven’t seen old Avatar… oh, and everyone else from the first generation dies from chivalrous dummy syndrome sometime mid-game.

    Just my hopes but as Awakening made more fans than Genealogy did (though the latter did make a whole batch of seasoned, respected fans ^_^; ), it’ll probably be a rehash of Awakening. T_T

    • Hear hear with the timeskip!

    • Sentinel

      Considering that there’s an image of Tsukuyomi talking with his daughter and he looks exactly the same as usual, I doubt it’s going to be a timeskip.

  • They… They… THEY BROUGHT IT BACK… Why… How.. WHYY?

    (Ofc I am totally in for this but how are they going to connect it to the storyline without Deus Ex machina)

  • “Charge me 100 dollars and everyone who complains is a baby but dammit if you add babies i’m going to be the baby!” #HalfTheCommunity

  • Jotaro Kujo

    Eh.
    Just don’t recycle the same plot for the children.

  • Ale. A. Santi

    i love the marriage system, its fun, cute and and i get to see the characters in diferent situations of life. Why so much hate? its optional, dont marry them if u dont wanna

  • Hanlin Yee

    Most of the Children from Awakening weren’t apart of the main storytelling anyway, they were optional.

    So what is the big deal?

    • The DanMan

      Exactly what you said: optional. They had no real effect on the game, and were simply there to encourage the “Waifu Emblem” nonsense. If the don’t serve any real purpose except to get the scummy part of base to buy it, then why even bother implementing it and just put the resources towards something else?

      • Soky42

        I don’t see your problem. If people enjoyed that part of the game, then why not let them?

        • The DanMan

          Because the people who play it for that part aren’t only not playing Fire Emblem, but playing an inferior version of the Dating Sims they desire.

          • superdawge

            Or maybe they want a unique experience of enjoying Fire Emblem’s gameplay while also yes having their dating sim. Fire Emblem is now a unique gaming experience you can’t find anywhere else as far as I know

          • The DanMan

            Get back to me when half the people who talk about Fire Emblem don’t jump straight to “waifus”.
            Also, your wording makes it sound like it wasn’t just as much, if not more so, a “unique experience” in the first place.
            They were.
            Fire Emblem was to SRPGS is like Metal Gear to stealth games: they defined their respective genres.

          • superdawge

            Sheesh! You’re like the Grinch! Does the happiness of others really bother you that much? You obviously love this series and I just feel sorry for you.

            Oh yes, FE is without a doubt a wonderful and unique game. The problem is that its uniqueness just wasn’t enough, not after 12 games. It’s as simple as that. Innovation was required to garner a larger fanbase, and I know that sounds like selfish cash grabs, but that’s basically what it is. In the end, it’s all for the sake of money because that keeps their company alive and pays their rents. The plus is that they will keep making FE games. And that brings us back to whether or not that is a good thing, and whether or not we have it in us to accept the changes.

          • Delvin Pitts

            Actually they still play the strategy gameplay.

      • Neon Z

        “Waifu Emblem”, at least regarding this mechanic, is nonsense. You aren’t just pairing up the avatar with your favorite girl, but also many other members of the cast among themselves. Actual otaku series don’t have important females who fall in love with the non-insert characters.

        This mechanic allows customizable units and more variation among the teams. For an open ended game like Hoshido, if there weren’t an equivalent mechanic replacing this, it’d be pretty much an inferior Awakening, and they hadn’t announced anything to replace it as far as customization goes. It’s harder to guess how well it’ll work in the Nohr side though.

        • The DanMan

          “Pretty much be an inferior Awakening”
          With different classes, different story and (supposedly) different characters, on top of some new mechanics and actual balancing of existing ones (*cough* pair-up *cough*), it’s clearly trying to be a different game than Awakening. Really, as an SRPG and a Fire Emblem game, you can’t get a lot worse then Awakening without deliberately not caring.
          …Which is what makes it the more frustrating that Awakening mechanics got tacked on to it.

  • Lord Kamui

    Guys chill. We don’t know how everything will work. IS is experimenting with a lot of things to find a balance and make both veterans and newcomers happy. That’s the point of the two versions thing.

  • Zosha

    Please let this bullshit be Hoshido only please let this bullshit be Hoshido only please let this bullshit be Hoshido only.

    • Delvin Pitts

      No it’s for both dipshit.

      That’s cry a river because I want to swim in it. XD

  • Zachmac

    I want to unlock all the characters, but I’m in here for the Fantasy RPG, not for the dating simulator.
    That’s why I don’t like future children. It pressures you to marry most of the gen 1 characters in order to get all of the gen 2 characters. I especially don’t want to have to marry my avatar.

    • Delvin Pitts

      Well don’t do it faggot. XD

      • Zachmac

        I stated that I want all of the characters. That includes the future children.
        If there was a way to unlock every character without playing hook-up, I would. But there isn’t.

        Also, was the name-calling really necessary? Resorting to that right off the bat does nothing but prove your inability to hold a solid argument.

        • Delvin Pitts

          Then your wasting time because there’s this capture enemy thing and you force them into your army in othe words never ending . also for people who played pokemon or sims it’s fun mechanic and easy to do.

          • Zachmac

            The capture mechanic really doesn’t count, though. They don’t have backstories, distinct personalities, special abilities, or anything else that makes the other FE characters worth it so much. They aren’t really characters, they’re just generic enemy unit #176.

          • Delvin Pitts

            You Said you wanted to get every character/unit not special unit.

          • Zachmac

            Now you’re just being difficult.

          • Delvin Pitts

            Not really you just didn’t explained It clearly. Go play harvest moon it’s a game of farm life and people love that game ands it’s marriage mechanics. Also watching your kids grow up and leaving you, it’s quiet sad really. 🙁

  • Hours Left

    I truly hope they include options for same sex romance this time too. They don’t have to produce a child, or they could have alternate replacement characters for gay couples. Leaving it out twice in a row, especially after Nintendo said they are gonna be more inclusive after the Tomodachi thing, would be really awful.

    • Umad?

      There won’t be. You can bet that the marriage mechanic is just there for creating children characters.

      • Evan Pierce

        Even if there weren’t children, the marriage mechanic would have essentially been there anyway. Every single Fire Emblem game with the Support system in it (except for Path of Radiance) has had the compatible characters marry each other at the end of the game when they reached A level of Support.

        • Umad?

          Still the same. Only opposite genders marry in those endings. Some games act like a continuation to the next Fire Emblem (who are supposed to be the children of the last Fire Emblem characters).

  • LindsS

    *sigh* Okay. Bye Fire Emblem, call me when you stop being garbage.

    • Joseph Rogers

      How about you calm down. And stop viewing Fire Emblem as a “Waifu Simulator” sure marrying certain characters together got a very waifu-esque scene, but it doesn’t matter. Fire Emblem is what the player makes it to be. There is no need to hate on a subject or term that has been around since oh, I don’t, Genealogy of the Holy War.

      • Evan Pierce

        That and the fact that characters in Fire Emblem have been marrying each other and people have been engaged in the whole shipping thing since at least Binding Blade (IIRC, that was the first game with Supports as we currently know them). Not having marriage take place in the middle of the game or not having children wouldn’t have stopped any of the people calling characters their waifu or shipping all of the different characters together.

  • OnyxKing

    I just don’t care if people will say the children mechanic is killing the franchise because I care about the characters in general and what they say in the support conversations getting a badass child is just a bonus for me.

  • Franchezco Marice Lamont

    Rather have a mixed feeling about the marriage system. As I do like to know my units more in depth by playing through a bunch of supports, it’s basically the fanbase that just ruins it for me. It’s true what they say, “It’s not a Waifu Emblem is you make it one.” But if you keep calling it that, and fans just play it for that reason while that i most talked thing about new Fire Emblem game, then that argument is irrelevant. If it’s a reason why it sold so well and it came back in the next gen then it’s what it exactly looks like.

    • Reegar

      So you don’t like the marriage system because of the people who like it?
      You remind me college when people didn’t like music because it was too mainstream. Your though is equally stupid.
      Buy yourself a personnality and start liking things for their own qualities, not for what people will think.

      • Franchezco Marice Lamont

        I don’t like the marriage system because people make it act like it’s the sole reason to play Fire emblem, then the devs think it’s okay to lean that way and make more marriage system mechanics to pander and then less content on the mechanics aren’t put in, then I lose faith.

  • Jose

    I knew they bring it back. I don’t mind it.

  • Kipper

    I’m a little more upset about this news than I expected (disclaimer: I’m only modestly irritated). I’m a big fan of Fire Emblem, and that includes Awakening and its unique gameplay features. I’m not offended by the waifu wars or the Outrealms. In this game, I’m not bothered by the hot springs, the face-rubbing, the Awakening clones, or the story implications of these new children. I’m hesitant about this news primarily for gameplay reasons, as well as a personal one.

    1) I’m a bit of a completionist and perfectionist. While I liked the eugenics in Awakening, I realized in my later playthroughs that my mind would always linger on the eugenic factors regardless of my pre-established rules for the playthrough. I’d do a no-grinding, no reclassing run, but I’d still agonize over things like “oh no, at this rate Lucina won’t inherit any useful skills! So much lost potential ahhhhh!” It hurts the experience for me. The same goes for how strong the kids are. I’ll have a whole team of Ests (an archetype I love), which makes it hard for me to ignore them. The first gen keeps getting set aside, no matter how strong my convictions are at first. I am sure there are others who can’t shake these thoughts either.

    I’ll admit that that’s a matter of self-control, so…

    2) I’m a dude and I like dudes. I was gunning for same-sex romance in this game, though I would have survived without it. Also, I LIVE for having a large cast and getting/trying every character possible. I’d say it’s one of the defining reasons I love Fire Emblem. The kids mechanic thus makes for a conflict of interest; it means I have to sacrifice a little part of myself by romancing a woman, or else I lose out on a character that I very much want. Either way, I’m disappointed. I had similar issues with this in Awakening, but I put up with it because I figured it was a one-time deal. This news has re-opened some of those wounds. Even if I have to swallow my pride again, I’m looking at the character list and I’m truly at a loss as to who I’m going to begrudgingly marry. At least in Awakening, I justified marrying Cordelia because in my headcanon, we were just friends who bonded over our mutual unrequited fondness for Chrom. And produced a couple kids along the way (sans intercourse!) because why not. >_>

    (and no, don’t bring up the Oboro/Takumi crush in response to that logic)

    At any rate, I’m not hating on it, really. I just hope that the fans of this system can recognize that it is far from ideal for everyone. I wouldn’t want this to become a staple of the series if it means they’ll never add same-sex romance. Or even worse, what if same-sex romance locked you out of a character?! I’d rather not think of such horrors…

    • Alex W.

      More for point two, I’m the same way although girl for girls haha. I was -really- looking forward to a chance at being able to marry a woman without having to play as a man (because, quite frankly, you’re stronger than me on that subject. I just couldn’t marry a guy although if I did I probably would have gone for Lon’qu in a very similar fashion. He had gynophobia? Perfect, He can be my purse, I’ll be his beard. 😉 ) I definitely agree though… honestly if it weren’t for Lucina, I would have probably been a single F!MU as opposed to a married M!MU.

      • Justine. M

        Same here ! I wish I was able to romance a girl without having to play as a man … But hey ! We can always hope for extremely ambiguous a-supports, riiiiight ?

      • Kipper

        Oddly, that Lon’qu idea never occurred to me, even though I used the very same excuse to crush on Guy from Tales of the Abyss!

        Also, you reminded me of something that DID occur to me recently. I can only imagine what it would feel like to be a lesbian casually playing Awakening as a confirmed bachelorette, but then “OOPS I GUESS I’M MARRIED TO CHROM NOW.” Yeesh.

    • Anon

      Just play as a girl, you can say you’re a trap. This game is not a romance simulator so it really doesn’t matter anyway, I would prefer if they removed this feature all together because half of the support conversations in Awakening are idiotic.

      Plus this game is set in the middle ages so same sex romance wasn’t really all that prevalent.

      • ESCG

        I hear the middle ages also had lots of dragons and magic in it.

        (It’s fantasy, it’s not “set in” the middle ages.)

      • Kipper

        No, I won’t. I mean, I will for the sake of changing things up on later playthroughs, but no. I’m not going to go on a rant or anything, but what you’re saying it pretty offensive in a number of ways. Pray, be cautious…

        Also, it does matter in the sense that I need to enter into a heterosexual relationship in order to recruit a character. With a (pseudo) self-insert character, that is. I think it’s quite obvious why some people might be disappointed.

    • Le sigh* That’s why I always ended up with Anna. She may not be into it, but she seemed like a wife that wouldn’t care if I did some gay antics as long as she could monopolize over it, like selling pictures. Plus…playing on the male version, I always found that there were at least 2 main cast dudes not paired up with any girl. I would honestly rather just put them together than leaving them forever alone.

    • Stranger

      I understand your plight, but the joke is there, so pray do not take offense.

      IF YOU CAN SWALLOW A COCK, YOU CAN SWALLOW YOUR PRIDE.

      • Kipper

        I avoid the oral stuff, actually…

        LOOKS LIKE THE JOKE’S ON YOU. HOHOHO.

  • Busterman64

    I kinda knew that Marriage would come back, but I’m happy for confirmation! What surprises me is the returning children mechanic. I wonder how they plan on explaining it this time (hopefully it will make sense with this story and not be another “from the future thing” like Awakening)? Either way, I’m happy (because more characters=more supports, and considering how the support conversations have been in past games, that’s always a good thing :3)

    (*Note: Not trying to be rude here, but I’m just making a point*)
    I have to ask, why are so many people getting upset about this? I don’t get it. What has changed so much from FE4: GotHW (or just FE7) for it to get so much hate? Other than getting married during the story instead of the end (and having your children fight by your side), what’s the difference? And no, “Waifus” aren’t a good reason since that has pretty much been a thing since 2007/2008 (yes, I actually looked it up and checked) and it goes where ever (in anime, video games, and manga. Pretty much any fictional characters) , whether people want it or not, and if you aren’t into that waifu stuff, it shouldn’t affect you when playing! Plus, it’s optional, so what’s the issue (unless you don’t like the marriage system or something)? If I’m missing something, could someone please let me know because I don’t get it . (again, not trying to be rude, but I just don’t get all the hate this is getting.)

    • It’s usually the fandom. Although my guess [and half my reason] is because the whole story behind the children came from the future was a mess. At least in FE4 the 1st generation grew old while you use the children.

      • Soky42

        I was okay with the children coming from the future in Awakening because it was a one time thing and the first time they did it. If they pull it again, then I’ll be a bit upset. I’m hoping for some sort of time skip for this one.

        • Same. If it’s a timeskip then wow amazeballs but otherwise it’s disappointing 🙁

          But with the previews so far, the parents didn’t look like they aged so…

          • Soky42

            Yeah, they don’t look older at all. And although I wouldn’t be particularly happy with some other “supernatural” explanation for the kids, I just really hope it isn’t another case of time travel.

          • or they all drank a Youth Potion lmao

            [time travel is a messy plot point to begin with /shudder]

          • Soky42

            I understand what you mean, but I was okay with it in Awakening. It’s just not a gag I’d like to see them pull again.

          • quackpenguin

            ur actually a fuck face

          • Soky42

            Piss off Ajay

          • Kujja

            I HATED THAT CHAR XD

    • The DanMan

      The main problem I have with the mechanic returning in FE14 is that the game clearly is trying to be something different from Awakening, yet has to be shackled closer to its predecessor by the mechanic.

      • superdawge

        At no point has FE14 stated it is trying to be different. It’s trying to be better, and right now better means taking the most popular features of the last game, polishing it and adding more features. If something works you do not ditch it so easily.

        • The DanMan

          I’m making inferences from what I saw. Why would they bother trying two different versions, or making a darker, emotional story (hopefully), or greatly diversifying classes, if they weren’t trying to distinguish this game from Awakening?
          The mechanic stands at odds with the story they are trying to tell and feels shoehorned in.
          I’ll use an example: Halo 4. That game introduced custom equipment loadouts to multiplayer. The game sold great. The core fanbase wasn’t happy, though. Come Halo 5, what does 343 do? Cut them and try to do a unique experience that attracts both sides. If all they cared about was maximizing sales, they would’ve kept them.

          • superdawge

            Well clearly that was your mistake then.

            First of all, you can’t possibly compare Halo and custom loadouts with FE and its marriage system. One has a solid following, the other has only just clawed its way out of near extinction. Second, Intelligent Systems IS trying to attract both sides. FE Fates looks to have solid gameplay and story (you said so yourself) AND marriage. What’s wrong with trying to have the best of both worlds? And the key word is trying. 343 gambled, so let Intelligent Systems gamble too. It could come out beautifully, we don’t know.

      • Delvin Pitts

        They didn’t say they’re trying to be defferent by mechanics, but by story. They updated the mechanics better for fans of both sides, hell they made to two virsion of the game. Also how do you think video game franchise work?

      • Chromatustigmata

        The thing is, a lot of the FE games have been like this. Look at FE6 and 7. There weren’t many changed made. Like everyone’s been saying, they just took the basis and tried to improve on it. Same with Sacred Stones. It’d be one thing if they were jumping to a new console, but they aren’t. So they make do with what they have.

  • OnyxKing

    By the way is anyone gonna translate these posts to english because I want to know what’s with the third page in the fist picture.

  • yoyomom

    YES! YES! YES! YES!

  • TobiTwirl

    …Meh
    I’m hoping this doesn’t become an emphasized trend with FE games, but as long as IS implements the children’s relevance, maybe they can push the story further in terms of depth.
    One thing I really I don’t want are carbon copies (especially from Awakening). The first trailer seriously gave me an impression of an entirely new atmosphere so I’d be really nice is this game maintains its distinctiveness among others.
    Let me make this clear: I don’t hate Awakening (in fact I’m playing it right now lol)

    • Delvin Pitts

      A new story line, the mechanics are updated to be then the last game. Dumb ass

  • kliskur

    I wonder if children will play parts in the third way, the dlc. Like my father and mother failed to unite both land, so it’s up to me. Years later

  • Tammy

    If I can’t make gay babies with Rinka then what’s the point

  • Deezee

    Not that I mind the recurrence of children characters; customizable characters add a lot to the game, although they do make it a lot easier. It also makes it easier to get attached to the characters.

    That said, it would have been nice if they did it differently instead of twice in a row. Just off the top of my head, there could be a teacher/student system, for example, where certain recruits can be assigned to an older, more experienced member of your army, allowing them to inherit skills and maybe classes from them.

  • quackpenguin

    you’re all just hipsters, awakening was good and the marriage system was the best shytt ever, it made me feel more attached to the game. if you don’t wanna get married then don’t, just be lonely, but don’t say the feature is bad.

  • Kujja

    Btw guys dont forget that their main target is the japanese audience so even if the west dont like the game that just makes more probable if they make other game it will just stay in japan … and thats sad since we only have cars, football and gun games -.-

  • An Tran

    Interested in seeing where these kids really come from.
    I have no problems with the marriage and kid system as long as the story doesn’t become stupid because of it (not a fan of shoehorning in time travel and multiple dimensions;Awakening’s way of doing children feels like an afterthought, like most of the game).
    It’s one of the few additions to the series that I’m fine with and one of the few things I’m okay with for Fates. Most of the rest of the game might as well just be considered a new IP.

  • Reizumo

    The first time I played Awakening I didn’t know what the ranks meant. I was automatically paired off with Chrom.
    It wasn’t until the 2nd playthrough I discovered I could pair off everyone else.
    So you CAN avoid the marriage system.
    I don’t know why everyone is complaining. If it wasn’t for Awakening they wouldn’t be making anymore FE games.

    • Hanlin Yee

      Exactly!!

  • Adrien Brown

    hmm looking at the child that looks like Tharja, that gives me an idea that there going to use the top 4 popular first generation characters from the first game similar to how there using severa, inigo, and owain in this game….. except maybe they will be 2nd generation characters this time around instead of first generation characters… just a thought though

  • Damian L. Harte

    I kinda wish that they based the child characters on the royals and neutral characters rather than the males in general.
    I think that would make it easier to include them in the plot, since it’s all about Loyalty vs Bloodline.
    What I didn’t like about Awakening was that the children characters were interesting but didn’t do anything plot relevant, except for Lucina, and she was the only one not optional.
    and personally, I would care more about recruitting Felicia’s or Camilla’s kid than I would about Tsubaki’s Cordelia expy daughter. (I liked Cordelia in Awakening and Tsubaki sounds interesting, but I’d prefer someone with a role in the plot.)

  • Arryn

    I feel like I should post this in here since some people were asking:
    http://www.polygon.com/2015/6/23/8836513/fire-emblem-fates-same-sex-relationships-nintendo
    Might as well give a bit of good news in this thread.

    • Damian L. Harte

      I feel like the gay/lesbian option should be available for both genders in both versions, but it’s still a good thing that the option exists at all.
      It’s not a big change, since it’s only one option each, but, hey, “small actions have ripple effects”