Quickhammer Mafia - Game Over

[SB.]

I thought not including any docs in the setup would mean we wouldn't have any quickhammers.

24 hours from this post I guess? Alternatively everyone can send me an activity check (including vanillas) and I'll end early but uh... yeah.

[SB.]

Phase end. Sending out results now.

[SB.]

Somebody was really jealous of their hat or something, because 2hu porn star is dead.

2hu porn star, you are a Vanilla Townie. You have no special abilities.

You win when the mafia is dead.

It is now Day 2. Deadline is in just over 72 hours. With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

[Refakitty³]

Great mafia game.

##Vote: dondont151

dondont151 already deserves scrutiny after that quickhammer, but if you take a look at his content, he's even worse.

Like, I don't get why A True Friend's vote being an "OMGUS" makes him scummy when he voted me because he saw scum intent in my vote on him. It's not like there was any other content at the time.

Why are we even trying to pass off OMGUS as a scumtell in 2015? Especially when the vote needs to be twisted to fit. Seriously.

By the way, telling A True Friend "the snark isn't helping your case" after that reply to 2hu is pretty hilarious.

I think dondont was just looking for contradictions that could be argued as "bad" here, not actual scum intent.

I mean, scum wouldn't want to look like they were just sheeping other people. Especially when their vote was the hammer.

Obviously, we lynch dondont today and lynch Phantom of the Opera tomorrow for lurking through "deadline" and then we win. game 2ez

Would like to hear from Sanaki again, though.

[Cú Chulainn]

Thanks scum for killing my secondary suspicion.

Anyways @2hu from now on please don't push people on not being good enough according to your expactations, push them on being scum.

##Vote: Sanaki

Sanaki voted Friend on the basis that the attitude Friend had benefited scum, but gave no real reason on why scum would not vote. It's very easy to call someone scummy for not doing well but that doesn't mean they're scum, and I don't like the fact that Sanaki doesn't take this into consideration.

I see this as telling and not as bad play since I don't really see how Friend was scummy from Sanaki's point of view. @Sanaki: please explain.

I've looked into Dondont's quickhammer and I don't think it was intentional, since I can't really picture in mind scum being so cold-hearted to the extent of making a huge post faking conviction just to quickhammer. Null. @Wadatsumi: what do you think about this?

[Kamina]

My apologies for my delayed performance, I was under the assumption that the curtain fell after the hammer had been dropped. The duet between 2hu and a friend was the leading act of the day, although ones does feel that dondont had placed his vote intentionally. The response that he gives seems definitive in his opinions, with little room open for discussion. However, I would question the motives of such a cadence from scum, considering the consequences of playing the final not on such a rapid wagon.

I cannot fault Wadatsumi's initial vote, nor the encore of posts he gave. A true friend did not lend themselves well with their words in their confrontation with 2hu, although we now know the tune that 2hu was singing to.

##Vote: Sanaki

The vote was at a most opportune time and we saw little of Sanaki beyond their single act. It appears little more than a recurrence of what had already been said, and does not carry the conviction a vote would be expected to have. The inclusion of the question below seems like an attempt to lengthen an otherwise lacking post.

[Olivier]

(Just here to say that I haven't been able to read and post because I'm doing some work related to my university. I'll be able to post some hours from now)

[Rain Nijika]

Great mafia game.

##Vote: dondont151

dondont151 already deserves scrutiny after that quickhammer, but if you take a look at his content, he's even worse.

Like, I don't get why A True Friend's vote being an "OMGUS" makes him scummy when he voted me because he saw scum intent in my vote on him. It's not like there was any other content at the time.

Why are we even trying to pass off OMGUS as a scumtell in 2015? Especially when the vote needs to be twisted to fit. Seriously.

By the way, telling A True Friend "the snark isn't helping your case" after that reply to 2hu is pretty hilarious.

I think dondont was just looking for contradictions that could be argued as "bad" here, not actual scum intent.

I mean, scum wouldn't want to look like they were just sheeping other people. Especially when their vote was the hammer.

Obviously, we lynch dondont today and lynch Phantom of the Opera tomorrow for lurking through "deadline" and then we win. game 2ez

i'm glad I signed up for this, too

despite your explanation, i'm fairly sure that i outlined my logic quite clearly. the problem was not with the omgus itself, but this part.

1. the snark isn't helping your case. also, you've tripped over your own words. you argue that wadatsumi should not call your vote an OMGUS, when you yourself refer to your own case as at least a potential value what you find wadatsumi scummy for

this is a weak stance to base a vote on. you do not call somebody scummy for reasons, say your reasons are maybe bad, and vote for that person with adamant conviction anyway. read the rest of my post for more information, notably, the first quote of his in which i bolded his ending statement.

i don't even remember calling omgus a bad thing

i've been working on my comedy routine, and delivered where i can

if that's what you think, then please consider the viewpoint of where my scumreads were obviously geared towards. are you saying that i had no reads, based on what i posted?

finally, if my logic is questionable, then yours is downright dubious. if i interpret your lurking statement correctly, then you are calling a player out for not arriving on time to a phase that lasted for approximately 6 hours. if only i actually thought you were scum

##Vote: Sanaki

Sanaki voted Friend on the basis that the attitude Friend had benefited scum, but gave no real reason on why scum would not vote. It's very easy to call someone scummy for not doing well but that doesn't mean they're scum, and I don't like the fact that Sanaki doesn't take this into consideration.

I see this as telling and not as bad play since I don't really see how Friend was scummy from Sanaki's point of view. @Sanaki: please explain.

i am inclined to disagree with this sentiment with reason, but i've little intention of furthering my thoughts until the player in question has had the opportunity to respond. i could say that i want to look within the wagon of voters for mafia, which represents about half the game at this point, and sanaki has plenty of reason to show up at this point

in the meantime, ##vote noerin

if you want an explanation as to why i placed my vote here, take a look at the first post in the game

[Sham]

I don't see how the fact I only had two posts could be considered scummy? The game started shortly before I went to bed so I didn't have time to say much. Phase ended at about midnight on my end of the globe. I woke up and face-palmed for not realizing that I put Friend at L-1 because they had an RVS vote on them I didn't pay attention to. Did I think Friend was scummy? Not overly so, but seeing as it was early Day One I saw no harm in moving my vote over off of an RVS target.

##Vote: dondont151.

Why did you quick-hammer Friend six hours into the phase? What does the Town stand to gain from that? I also don't understand your reasoning behind the noerin vote. The first post of the game is 2hu's RVS vote on myself, and I fail to see what that has to do with anything. Unless you actually meant the second vote of the game, which was noerin's RVS vote on Friend, in which case... No, I still don't understand what you're going for here.

[Marisa Kirisame]

##Vote:Noerin

Sanaki vote feels... graspy, I think. Ah, for lack of a better sentence, I feel like they're using a disagreement as a basis for finding Sanaki scummy.

I would vote Sanaki though, mainly for their last post. The dondont vote is terrible; to me it looks like a "Why did you do X and I don't understand why you did Y so I think you're scum!"

The only reason I'm no voting them is because then that'd put them at L-1 and we don't want another quickhammer now do we?

[Marisa Kirisame]

Also fwiw I think Wadatsumi's play last day phase was townie and dondont's quickhammer shenanigans should be taken as null IMO.

[Sham]

I would vote Sanaki though, mainly for their last post. The dondont vote is terrible; to me it looks like a "Why did you do X and I don't understand why you did Y so I think you're scum!"

When did I say I thought dondont was scum? I have my suspicions sure, based on the fact that I don't see any benefit to Town acting as he did, but it should be read as more of a pressure vote than anything else. I'm perfect willing to move my vote once I hear his explanation (and it doesn't suck, but that should be a given).

[SB.]

Votecount 2.1
Sanaki (2): Noerin, Phantom of the Opera
dondont151 (2): Wadatsumi, Sanaki
Noerin (2): dondont151, Supreme Intelligence

Not Voting (1): Jaraxxus

There are roughly 61 hours left in the phase. With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Countdown.

[Rain Nijika]

I don't see how the fact I only had two posts could be considered scummy? The game started shortly before I went to bed so I didn't have time to say much. Phase ended at about midnight on my end of the globe. I woke up and face-palmed for not realizing that I put Friend at L-1 because they had an RVS vote on them I didn't pay attention to. Did I think Friend was scummy? Not overly so, but seeing as it was early Day One I saw no harm in moving my vote over off of an RVS target.

i have a hard time breaking this down, because at such an early stage in the game, it seems awfully bold to have such a read early on. considering half the game did nothing beyond rvs, it is expected

Why did you quick-hammer Friend six hours into the phase? What does the Town stand to gain from that?

honestly, i was not really interested in the exact vote count at the time, so i had not tallied everything prior to my post.

I also don't understand your reasoning behind the noerin vote. The first post of the game is 2hu's RVS vote on myself, and I fail to see what that has to do with anything. Unless you actually meant the second vote of the game, which was noerin's RVS vote on Friend

i had meant to say their, in reference to noerin, not the.

[Sham]

##Vote: A True Friend

Too tempting.

This is Noerin's first post of the game. Why does this post explain why you're voting for Noerin?

[Cú Chulainn]

Well, I'd like Dondont to explain his vote but sadly I don't think it's happening.

Why did you quick-hammer Friend six hours into the phase? What does the Town stand to gain from that? I also don't understand your reasoning behind the noerin vote. The first post of the game is 2hu's RVS vote on myself, and I fail to see what that has to do with anything. Unless you actually meant the second vote of the game, which was noerin's RVS vote on Friend, in which case... No, I still don't understand what you're going for here.

Yeah, I don't get Dondont either. However, how is this scum logic and not dumb logic? Do you think the hammer was intentional? If so, why?

I don't see how the fact I only had two posts could be considered scummy? The game started shortly before I went to bed so I didn't have time to say much. Phase ended at about midnight on my end of the globe. I woke up and face-palmed for not realizing that I put Friend at L-1 because they had an RVS vote on them I didn't pay attention to. Did I think Friend was scummy? Not overly so, but seeing as it was early Day One I saw no harm in moving my vote over off of an RVS target.

This has nothing to do with what people cased you for. Don't like this justification, nobody mentioned the fact that Sanaki "only" posted twice + left Friend at L-1 and yet they go to the extent of justifying that. (@Sanaki, please reply to my question!: How did Friend make sense as scum from your point of view, and why did you think their play was scum play as opposed to bad play?)

Sanaki vote feels... graspy, I think. Ah, for lack of a better sentence, I feel like they're using a disagreement as a basis for finding Sanaki scummy.

Eh, no way. I disagree with Sanaki, check. But I think they're scum because to me it looks like they were pursuing bad instead of scummy intentionally. I don't see how Sanaki would find Friend scummy from their point of view from what they brought up, and their Dondont vote is more of the same. It's similar to what you're saying here about me, actually.

Also what I brought up in the previous quote.

[Rain Nijika]

Well, I'd like Dondont to explain his vote but sadly I don't think it's happening.

Yeah, I don't get Dondont either. However, how is this scum logic and not dumb logic? Do you think the hammer was intentional? If so, why?

i intended to spark some sort of defensive reaction from one of the outlier votes on yesterday's wagon, but noerin seems to have established strong composure. on the chance that noerin would've become overly defensive over a vote made in rvs, i would have ample reason to be suspicious. i could have outlined this prior to noerin's response, but that would have defeated the purpose of the vote to begin with. at best, a potential scumread could have become evident. at worst, a null read. based on that reaction, noerin is middling-slightly leaning town, due to a null result of this test, combined with decent efforts with current activity.

i still do not understand what was meant by weasel words

[Rain Nijika]

##unvote noerin

##vote supreme intelligence

why did you vote for noerin again?

[Refakitty³]

Posting in mafia is too much effort.

Not really interested in Sanaki cases now.

Since like, their lack of aggressiveness with A True Friend lines up with their play in general, and I guess they wouldn't be aggressive if he wasn't a strong read.

As for dondont151.

Just saying, if I were scum, I would make an "accidental" quickhammer on Day 1 just because everybody would let me get away with it.

But even if the quickhammer was accidental, dondont is still scum.

Anyway, regarding dondont's post here.

I don't see how dondont's elaboration on A True Friend's OMGUS changes the matter.

It doesn't really seem to me like A True Friend actually said her reasons were maybe bad at any point.

If she was, I still don't get how this is scummy. Rhetoric is rhetoric, and most people aren't confident in their case one hour into the game.

Also, is it just me or is the way he calls me out for my opinion on Phantom of the Opera scummy? Like, he doesn't think I'm scum, so there's no need to antagonize me over it unless he wants to discredit me.

Don't even know why he would need to defend Phantom as town here. Whatever.

By the way, Phantom of the Opera's post here is really frustrating.

It's as if people are overlooking dondont's actual content in favor of only talk about the quickhammer.

I would like every player in the game to read dondont151's posts and post their read on him. Even if they don't think he's scum.

But I mean, they still should totally vote him afterwards anyway.

[Sham]

Yeah, I don't get Dondont either. However, how is this scum logic and not dumb logic? Do you think the hammer was intentional? If so, why?

I do think the hammer was intentional, because even if dondont made the same mistake I did (which was not counting your RVS vote) he would have knowingly put Friend at L-1 six hours into the phase. That starts to veer from 'bad logic' territory into 'scum logic' territory.

This has nothing to do with what people cased you for. Don't like this justification, nobody mentioned the fact that Sanaki "only" posted twice + left Friend at L-1 and yet they go to the extent of justifying that. (@Sanaki, please reply to my question!: How did Friend make sense as scum from your point of view, and why did you think their play was scum play as opposed to bad play?)

Phantom mentioned that part of his case was that I said little after my initial post, and that's what I was trying address with that particular comment. Should have made that clearer or quoted him or something, sorry about that.

I was suspicious of Friend because they seemed to me to be overreacting to the amount of pressure that had been put on them (which I mentioned in my voting post). My vote was on a random RVS target so I moved it over to see how they would react. Overreacting to pressure is typically considered (at least as far as I remember) the play of panicked scum rather than panicked town, especially considering how early it was.

[Olivier]

Here I stand, scrubs! The Burning Legion is upon you. You face Jaraxxus now!

You know, in every Mafia game I've participated there are people complaining at others' for their lack of productivity during RVS. I'd like to stress you guys should totally stop doing this. It's very hard to be much productive during RVS since we have nothing to work on, and not all people are all that creative, we can't all be Kaoz and German. Being little productive during RVS should not be a good scumtell.

I'm going to start with this one scrub (my observations might not be much of use since they're dead, but whatever):

2hu porn star's post #20 pings a radar. He (She? How can I watch a porn star whose sex I am unsure about!) claims that A True Friend (may your name be forever remembered in glory, soldier, for you fought bravely) put a OMGUS vote too early and used pretentious language. That post reeks of opportunism. First off, everyone uses pretentious language. Every argument has the intent to convince the readers about their point! In no way does it make sense to vote someone for 'pretentious language' - that's to be expected in a Mafia game! Second, he affirmed that A True Friend's language actually deterred them from reading the post. Well, if he was deterred from reading the post, how can he claim it was a OMGUS vote? That's a Hasty Conclusion at best, and even at its best it sucks.

I agree with Wadatsumi's post #34. Sanaki made a good point about A True Friend's actions, yet did little to pursue their scumread after the rebuttal started. Did Sanaki's scumreads on A True Friend disappear into the mist like this? If not, then why did they not dig further into their case? Seems too superficial for me to consider it good scumhunting. Get back here, scrub!

I can barely read dondont's posts because his writing style is too flowery.

I'd vote Sanaki because I want them to be more active in this game, but I don't want to commit the same mistake that Town did on D1.

(Don't turbolynch me for laziness guys, I'm not Refa! Er, I hope SB won't kill me for memberspec)

[Refakitty³]

I can barely read dondont's posts because his writing style is too flowery.

It's okay, I already skimmed read them for you.

dondont is mafia.

[Olivier]

(My laziness is gone... kinda. So let's do this)

Sanaki's post #58 enforces my point about them being superficial. I think it is very easy for someone to quickhammer in a game with very few players, especially because SF Mafia is more trigger happy than most members of the Burning Legion could attest to. I find it very plausible that dondont didn't (lol) quickhammer intentionally. I also doubt scum would like to bring that much attention into themselves too early.

If you don't find him scu, then why vote him? You could, you know, just ask a question. That's all it takes. A vote makes it seem as if you're scumhunting (which you have done very superficially not once, but twice, with the dondont vote accounted).

I was suspicious of Friend because they seemed to me to be overreacting to the amount of pressure that had been put on them (which I mentioned in my voting post). My vote was on a random RVS target so I moved it over to see how they would react. Overreacting to pressure is typically considered (at least as far as I remember) the play of panicked scum rather than panicked town, especially considering how early it was.

Those are bad reasons for finding someone scummy. Overreacting is more a personal thing than an alignment thing. A townie may feel more frustration from being pressed than scum, IIRC Mancer does this. Also, I don't know why you read A True Friend's response as an overreaction.

Supreme Intelligence makes themselves worthy of their title. You should be promoted to Commander of the Burning Legion for this endeavor, soldier. That is, when you elaborate further in your Noerin vote. Why isn't their reason valid for finding Sanaki scum? 'Disagreement as a basis' seems very vague to me.

It's okay, I already skimmed read them for you.
dondont is mafia.

I take back what I said, Wadatsumi is scum trying to persuade me to turbolynch

But I know better

##SmiteWithExtremePrejudice: Wadatsmi

(not a legit vote, read the nick)

[Refakitty³]

A turbolynch on scum, yes.

I scan through his posts for you and this is all I get?

Really, though, I think you should at least, like, read his posts and come up with opinions even if his wording is weird.

[Kamina]

Sanaki, my words are spoken in the context of the day rather than the isolated incident. It seemed rather unusual that you joined a growing wagon which ended flipping town, although time is not the kindest of mistresses. My issue was the lack of will behind the vote and considering the wagon, it does not portray you in a favorable light.

However, I do appreciate the explanation, although it does not dispel the issues I hold. The answers seem rather retrospective and do not answer the question. Surely if one wished to push, they would make more use of it?

The words of dondont are a mystery to my eyes. This may be due to his nature as the mafia doppelganger of his charming forum counterpart, but I cannot see how his tune is decisively that of the town or the scum. However, the tone and attitude I feel are currently a mask to avoid direct contribution, the song of dondon is not a pleasant one, nor does it inspire thought.

Supreme Intelligence carries a careful melody, although my eyes do not seem to follow his presence. The introduction of Jaraxxus bodes well for this game, I feel that his sentiments are fair and progressive. My eyes are still on Sanaki although I do not favour the presence of dondont strongly. His hammer may appear as somewhat null, but his masquerade of content does not fool me.