Shadow Mir Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 I don't have much of anything more to say other than that Ayanami's so-called "movesets" are a total disgrace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuffPuff Posted April 25, 2012 Author Share Posted April 25, 2012 I don't have much of anything more to say other than that Ayanami's so-called "movesets" are a total disgrace. Um...were doing moveset rivalry to know which is best to go with for each Pokemon. =) What do u suggest for Porygon-Z? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 http://www.smogon.com/bw/pokemon/porygon-z http://www.smogon.com/bw/pokemon/porygon-z http://www.smogon.com/bw/pokemon/porygon-z http://www.smogon.com/bw/pokemon/porygon-z http://www.smogon.com/bw/pokemon/porygon-z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 (edited) Um...were doing moveset rivalry to know which is best to go with for each Pokemon. =) What do u suggest for Porygon-Z? With movesets as awful as yours, "rivalry" doesn't describe it at all; my dog can think up better movesets than you. But I'll join the bandwagon and say... http://www.smogon.co...kemon/porygon-z Edited April 25, 2012 by Metal King Slime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuffPuff Posted April 25, 2012 Author Share Posted April 25, 2012 (edited) With movesets as awful as yours, "rivalry" doesn't describe it at all; my dog can think up better movesets than you. But I'll join the bandwagon and say... I don't see how Zap Cannon is bad with Lock-On. As it will guarantee 100% accurate hit on the next turn even if they've switched their Pokemon. Edited April 25, 2012 by リンダ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 (edited) I don't see how Zap Cannon is bad with Lock-On. As it will guarantee 100% accurate hit on the next turn even if they've switched their Pokemon. This will do the talking for me. Also, this: >uses Lock-on >opponent switches out Lol Edited April 25, 2012 by Metal King Slime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuffPuff Posted April 25, 2012 Author Share Posted April 25, 2012 This will do the talking for me. Also, this: -_- Only bad news with the Zap Cannon set is u won't do well with Steel Type Pokemon. But nobody's perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icon of Sin Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 (edited) Even if it was 100% accuracy after a switch, which it is not, they could always switch to a Ground type which is immune to Zap Cannon or a Lightningrod/Motor Drive for a free boost. Hyper Beam was only good in Generation 1. Then again he never listens. Best to ignore him. Edited April 25, 2012 by Dio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuffPuff Posted April 25, 2012 Author Share Posted April 25, 2012 Competitive UseZap Cannon looks highly promising at first, sporting 120 Base Power and causing sure-fire paralysis; however, its accuracy is a huge letdown at only 50%, so that it's an effective coin flip as to whether it hits or not. As such, to use Zap Cannon to its fullest extent, one must patch up its accuracy. Ways to do this include holding Wide Lens or Zoom Lens, or using the move Gravity. Unfortunately, Galvantula, who has both Electric-type STAB and Compoundeyes, does not have access to Zap Cannon. Eelektross can also try to use Zap Cannon in tandem with Coil's accuracy-boosting effect. http://www.smogon.com/bw/moves/zap_cannon Evidence still stands that this move is good to have! Time to change the Zap Cannon set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel M Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 (edited) Hyper Beamw as only good in Generation 1. Just a minor note (it is true by the way), this only applies to Cartridge Clause. Stadium Clause has Hyper Beam work normal. Anyway, I like how the first Porygon-Z moveset doesn't even list a STAB. Where the fuck is Tri-Attack in any of this? And with Hyper Beam, it's only feasible under these Porygon-Z conditions: 1) It's Modest 2) You're using Nasty Plot 3) You've used said Nasty Plot at least once 4) You have Life Orb attached 5) Adaptability is the ability 6) You're facing something like Blissey and desperately need to take it out If none of those conditions are met, don't fucking bother listing it. Even if it is to take out Blissey, Hyper Beam has the other issue of eating up a coverage moveslot. You need Nasty Plot and Tri-Attack to function effectively. It's highly recommended that you have something like BoltBeam, a Hidden Power of sorts (Fire and Fighting spring to mind), or Shadow Ball / Dark Pulse to hit Ghosts. And that's just the "general options" I would pick before Hyper Beam. tl;dr if you're having Blissey / Eviolite Chansey problems, make a better fucking team or just get rid of Porygon-Z! And, with Zap Cannon, the only Pokemon that I would seriously consider using it on is Forretress as a desperate way of knocking Gyarados out, and that's only if you don't have many good solutions to taking Gyarados out. Even then, Forretress now suffers greatly from either being trapped (losing Volt Switch), doing damage against Dragon sweepers locked onto Outrage (Gyro Ball), laying down entry hazards (Spikes, Stealth Rock, Toxic Spikes), or even spinning (Rapid Spin). Also awaiting Erectivire analysis. Edited April 25, 2012 by Colonel M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 (edited) http://www.smogon.com/bw/moves/zap_cannon Evidence still stands that this move is good to have! Time to change the Zap Cannon set. The only evidence I see says you're an idiot. A Wide Lens only increases accuracy by 10%, and a Zoom Lens requires you go last to benefit from the accuracy boost (and even with those boosts, Zap Cannon's accuracy is still [EFF!]ing deplorable). Edited April 25, 2012 by Metal King Slime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuffPuff Posted April 25, 2012 Author Share Posted April 25, 2012 The only evidence I see says you're an idiot. A Wide Lens only increases accuracy by 10%, and a Zoom Lens requires you go last to benefit from the accuracy boost (and even with those boosts, Zap Cannon's accuracy is still [EFF!]ing deplorable). Never knew about the cancellation of the Lock-On+Zap Cannon set. Crap. Now I'll have to reteach my Modest natured Porygon-Z with some different moves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel M Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 (edited) What's [EFF!]? Never knew about the cancellation of the Lock-On+Zap Cannon set. Crap. Now I'll have to reteach my Modest natured Porygon-Z with some different moves. Watch me. Porygon_Z Nature: Timid / Modest Ability: Adaptability Held Item: Life Orb EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe Tri-Attack Nasty Plot Thunderbolt Dark Pulse / Ice Beam There, mind = blown. EDIT: Wait... Nature:SamesAbility: Adaptability Held Item: Choice Specs Nasty Plot Dark Pulse Tri Attack/Hyper Beam Recover Who wants to point out the problem here? Edited April 25, 2012 by Colonel M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 What's [EFF!]? A reference to Yu-Gi-Oh: The Abridged Series. At any rate, it's common sense that you shouldn't just expect someone to stay in if you're using Lock-On or Mind Reader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuffPuff Posted April 25, 2012 Author Share Posted April 25, 2012 (edited) A reference to Yu-Gi-Oh: The Abridged Series. At any rate, it's common sense that you shouldn't just expect someone to stay in if you're using Lock-On or Mind Reader. Very well. I can go with this. Porygon_Z Nature:Modest Ability: Download Held Item: Choice Specs Tri-Attack Ice Beam Recover Dark Pulse Very well. I can go with this. Tri Attack stands for being the best choice for Porygon-Z. It should get Ice Beam to swat away Steel, Flying, Ground, Grass, and Dragon Types. Recover for healing in Wifi; and Dark Pulse to hit any Pokemon. Since it can't have Nasty Plot with this set, download is needed to help give it a Sp.Attk boost in some battles by 1 level. =) Edited April 25, 2012 by リンダ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel M Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Very well. I can go with this. Porygon_Z Nature:Modest Ability: Download Held Item: Choice Specs Tri-Attack Ice Beam Recover Dark Pulse Very well. I can go with this. Tri Attack stands for being the best choice for Porygon-Z. It should get Ice Beam to swat away Steel, Flying, Ground, Grass, and Dragon Types. Recover for healing in Wifi; and Dark Pulse to hit any Pokemon. Since it can't have Nasty Plot with this set, download is needed to help give it a Sp.Attk boost in some battles by 1 level. =) Okay, go ahead and use your Choice Specs Recover... ...Now let me just grab my Conkeldurr and get a free Bulk Up in the process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuffPuff Posted April 25, 2012 Author Share Posted April 25, 2012 Okay, go ahead and use your Choice Specs Recover... ...Now let me just grab my Conkeldurr and get a free Bulk Up in the process. Conkledurr is Attk h4x. =) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel M Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 (edited) Conkledurr is Attk h4x. =) Not as h4x as Choice-locked Recover. =) Edited April 25, 2012 by Colonel M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuffPuff Posted April 25, 2012 Author Share Posted April 25, 2012 (edited) Alllriiight! Time for another Pokemon. Rhyperior Nature: Jolly or Careful Held Item: Quick Claw Earthquake Rock Slide Substitute Swords Dance/Megahorn/Scary Face The attack moves both receiving STAB too makes these good. Substitute is needed for it's brittle Sp. Defenses and Speed. It also should get the Quick Claw for it's brittle Speed. As it would really suck if your opponent attacks before u with a strong water move to put it out of commission before u could set up Substitute. Swords Dance is a top recommendation to power up those STAB moves while it is protected from Substitute. Megahorn is also good too to take out Psychics, Grass, and Dark types in a flash dealing trouble to other types that regularly get hit by this move (Normal, Water, Electric, Ice, Ground, Bug, Rock, and Dragon). Scary Face might also be a consideration to slow your opponents down while u are protected by Substitute. EDIT: Oh, and I can verse people anytime I want in any of my Pokemon games but Diamond, as I have set up my Wifi connection tonight. Edited April 26, 2012 by リンダ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emeraldfox Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Today's Moveset: Simipour~ Simipour@Life Orb/Nothing Nature: Adamant EVs: Attack: 252, Speed: 252 because why not Aqua Tail/Waterfall(If you're too lazy to breed) Shadow Claw/Acrobatics Return/Acrobatics/Hone Claws Brick Break/Acrobatics Honestly, why not have a physical Simipour? Maybe it isn't bulky enough to get a Hone Claws in, maybe in NU or what ever tier you people put it in. Iunno. Oh, and Acrobatics because Iunno. Get some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel M Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 ...Okay, now this time I don't want to quite harm Ayanami... ...But Emerald... Look, Simipour's special movepool is much better than its physical. Avalanche sucks for one with its negative priority, and Hone Claws is about the only way to boost your Attack. Not that it's terrible in the absolute lower tiers, but it doesn't make it earth-shattering either. You're honestly much better working off its more versatile special movepool, like: Surf Ice Beam Grass Knot Nasty Plot You can also throw in Hidden Power: Electric if you're desperate to hit Pokemon like Mantine for SE damage... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emeraldfox Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 ...Okay, now this time I don't want to quite harm Ayanami... ...But Emerald... Look, Simipour's special movepool is much better than its physical. Avalanche sucks for one with its negative priority, and Hone Claws is about the only way to boost your Attack. Not that it's terrible in the absolute lower tiers, but it doesn't make it earth-shattering either. You're honestly much better working off its more versatile special movepool, like: Surf Ice Beam Grass Knot Nasty Plot You can also throw in Hidden Power: Electric if you're desperate to hit Pokemon like Mantine for SE damage... I GUESS. Guess I was snowed by my ingame Simipour. I love that happy monkey. Anyway, yeah, the special side seems bigger, but I wanted to do something different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuffPuff Posted April 27, 2012 Author Share Posted April 27, 2012 (edited) ...Okay, now this time I don't want to quite harm Ayanami... ...But Emerald... Look, Simipour's special movepool is much better than its physical. Avalanche sucks for one with its negative priority, and Hone Claws is about the only way to boost your Attack. Not that it's terrible in the absolute lower tiers, but it doesn't make it earth-shattering either. You're honestly much better working off its more versatile special movepool, like: Surf Ice Beam Grass Knot Nasty Plot You can also throw in Hidden Power: Electric if you're desperate to hit Pokemon like Mantine for SE damage... ^This. Love that Simian. Except I went with Crunch instead of Nasty Plot. As I haven't done any breeding. But great moveset for it either way. Edited April 27, 2012 by リンダ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuffPuff Posted April 29, 2012 Author Share Posted April 29, 2012 (edited) Today's Pokemon Vaporeon Ability:Water Absorb Held item:Leftovers Nature: Timid or Bold Aqua Ring/Hidden Power(Electric)/Shadowball Toxic/Haze Ice Beam/Blizzard/Hidden Power(Electric) Surf If u decide to give it Aqua Ring, you can make it absorb alot of health every turn along with the Leftovers to have it last longer in the battle arena (Due to it's very good amount of HP's) and ok on Wifi. I recommend Aqua Ring for it's first move more than anything else because of this. Decide to give it Hidden Power(Electric), you can have it battle Water/Ice types well. Shadowball is also a good choice for a good chance to lower your opponents Sp.Def. Toxic is what I recommend most for it's second move. Because u cannot cure status alignments on Wifi. Good for the battle arena too. Haze is also a recommendation to stop your opponent from increasing their Pokemon's stats with supporting moves. Ice Beam is greatest for it's third move, or go with Hidden Power(Electric) for it's third move that is if u decided to give it Aqua Ring for it's first move. If u decide Blizzard for one of it's moves, then give it Wide Lens for it's Held item. But u probably want to go with Ice Beam, because of Aqua Ring/Leftovers combo. Up to u. Surf is most recommended for it's Water move. Vaporeon is most helpful in Double battles, because of it's Water Absorb ability. If your partner Pokemon has Surf. SPAM with that move like theirs no tomorrow. As it hits everyone including your partner. Because your Vaporeon will absorb health from it while hitting your opponents Pokemon at the same time. Add this along with Aqua Ring/Leftovers combo will make Vaporeon extremely hard to kill in the battle arena. And ok for Wifi. =) Edited April 29, 2012 by リンダ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel M Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 First, Toxic can be cured via Aromatherapy / Heal Bell. Secondly, Wish is far superior to Aqua Ring. You can also pass it along to another Pokemon and, more than likely due to Vaporeon's larger HP, get most, if not all, of your health back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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