Dark Sage Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 I don't own Awakening yet but do plan on picking it up eventually. I planned some setups and pairings for the characters I plan to use to tackle the harder DLC, including not only Apotheosis but also Death's Embrace, Roster Rescue, etc. Since I have multiple possible setups for some characters, I put them in spoiler tags for easier reading. The pairings: Chrom x Sumia Lissa x Henry Sully x Donnel Miriel x Gregor Mariabelle x Ricken Panne x Fredrick Cordelia x Stahl Nowi x Gaius Tjarka x Avatar Olivia x Virion Cherche x Vaike The Sets: [spoiler=Lucina] Tank Set Class:Paladin Limit Breaker Pavise Aegis Galeforce Rightful King Attacking Set Class: Dark Flier Limit Breaker Tomefaire Galeforce Aether Rightful King [spoiler=Cynthia] Unorthodox Set Class: Bow Knight Limit Breaker Galeforce Dual Guard+ Luna Bowfaire Pure Offense Set Class: Dark Flier Limit Breaker Tomefaire Galeforce Aether Luna Gurerilla Set Class: Sniper Limit Breaker Bowfaire Dual Guard+ Luna Galeforce [spoiler=Owain] Default Set Class: Dark Knight Galeforce Aggressor Tomefaire Lifetaker Limit Breaker [spoiler=Kjelle] Flexible Tank Set Class: Hero Galeforce Swordfaire Armsthrift Luna (swap for Sol in non-Apotheosis DLC) Limit Breaker [spoiler=Brady] Default Set Class: Sage Galeforce Tomefaire Aggressor Dual Guard+ Limit Breaker [spoiler=Severa] Physical Set Class: Assassin Galeforce Vantage Armsthrift Astra Limit Breaker Nosfertank Severa Class: Sorceror Galeforce Armsthrift Vantage Vengeance Limit Breaker [spoiler=Nah] Default Tank Set Class: Manakete Galeforce Sol Vantage Deliverer Limit Breaker [spoiler=Inigo] Default Set Class: Assassin Galeforce Swordfaire Astra Vantage Limit Breaker Secondary Attack Set Class: Berserker Galeforce Axefaire Astra (Sol on non-Apotheosis maps) Aggressor Limit Breaker Guerilla Set Class: Sniper Galeforce Aggressor Bowfaire Astra Limit Breaker [spoiler=Yarne] Physical Support Set Class: Berserker Axefaire Aggressor Dual Guard+ Luna Limit Breaker Mobile Support Set Class: Griffon Rider Deliverer Dual Guard+Luna Aggressor Limit Breaker [spoiler=Laurent] Nosfertank Set Class: Sorceror Armsthrift Vantage Tomefaire Vengeance Limit Breaker [spoiler=Gerome] Support Set Class: Berserker Axefaire Aggressor Pass Deliverer Limit Breaker [spoiler=Noire] Nosfertank Set Galeforce Armsthrift Vengeance Luna Limit Breaker [spoiler=Morgan] Attack Set Galeforce Armsthrift Ignis Luna Limit Breaker [spoiler=Chrom] Support Set Class: Bow Knight Bowfaire Dual Strike+ Dual Guard+ Aggressor Limit Breaker [spoiler=Avatar] Staffbot Class: Sage Tomefaire All Stats +2 Magic +2 Sol Limit Breaker [spoiler=Sumia] Versatile Set Class: Dark Flier Galeforce Luna Dual Guard+ Iote's Shield Limit Breaker [spoiler=Cordelia] Default Set Galeforce Lancefaire Armsthrift Sol Limit Breaker [spoiler=Olivia] Default Set Class: Dancer Galeforce Special Dance Pass Swordfaire Limit Breaker [spoiler=Gregor] The Scout Class: Assassin Vantage Swordfaire Astra Armsthrift Limit Breaker The Heavy Class: Berserker Aggressor Axefaire Armsthrift Astra Limit Breaker [spoiler=Legion] Rallybot Class: Berserker Dual Support+ Rally Strength Rally Spectrum Rally Defense Limit Breaker [spoiler=Spotpass!Katarina] Rallybot Class: Trickster Galeforce Rally Speed Rally Spectrum Rally Heart Limit Breaker I think if I'm not playing for Apotheosis, I'll remove Limit Breaker from everyone and replace it with a different skill. This should allow for more interesting sets. Thoughts? Any pairings I should swap around or nix? Any sets that should be used or edited? Give me your input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeoandReo Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 (edited) The only thing that really comes to mind would be swapping Ricken and Henry from Maribelle and Lissa. The only real thing that Henry gives Owain is Sorcerer,(Barbarian overlaps and Thief is mostly obsoleted by Myrmidon) and surprisingly, Ricken is actually Brady's worst dad since he gives him nothing. OK, not literally nothing, but Brady already starts with Mage/Priest and Cavalier, so he already has Ricken's niche as a dad by default. By swapping them over, Owain gets access to Luna but he also gets Lifetaker like he does with Henry thanks to getting it from Ricken's Mage tree. Brady gets a lot more out of Henry, getting Dark Mage to do some Sorcerer stuff, Barbarian for Axefaire as a War Monk (or as a possible physical support) and Thief for extra utility in the main game as well as Assassin as another possible physical class if he desires. Basically, Owain and Brady get a lot more when they swap dads than what they have now. Virion!Inigo is also falling a bit in popularity, but it's still a solid option, since Inigo gets quite a bit of speed to work with and a good selection of class options. Only thing that comes to mind that he's missing is Luna, but he'd also like to inherit a good amount of speed with it too, and the only non-Avatar parent who can do that is Chrom. If getting Luna on Inigo is a big deal, you could do a swap around of say, Chrom/Olivia, Sumia/Henry, and Maribelle/Libra. Lucina loses out on Pavise and Tomefaire but gains Vantage and Swordfaire, Cynthia loses Aegis, Paladin and Bowbreaker but gains a whole ton of really good stuff. (Troubadour for Valkyrie access and Dual Support+, Thief for Assassin access, Dark Mage for Hex/Anathema, Lifetaker and a possible class option in Sorcerer) If you do decide to do this, the shift from Henry to Libra might matter if you're using him for physical support or as an Axefaire War Monk, but Libra's acceptable if you're making him a magic offensive Sage, which it looks like you're doing. For your situation, it might not be worth doing all that shuffling just to get a fast Luna on Inigo, though, so if this doesn't sound like a good idea to you, that's fine. Vaike!Gerome is also another one that's falling a bit, but it's still solid if only for Berserker access. I might give him Kellam instead, but that's just me. Kellam makes Gerome a bit slower, but he also gives him Knight for Dual Guard/Luna and Pavise, and like Vaike he also gives Thief so that he can do stuff with Deliverer/Movement+1 and other fun things like that. Set-wise, Gregor!Laurent should probably run Sol over Vengeance for more healing, and in general if a character's using a proc, Luna is the best option thanks to its activation rate and the higher damage it does against higher defense. (Stahl!Severa should pretty much always run it, for one) It's basically a necessity for Apotheosis, so it can't hurt to run it when you can. Edited July 11, 2013 by HeoandReo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Sage Posted July 12, 2013 Author Share Posted July 12, 2013 The only thing that really comes to mind would be swapping Ricken and Henry from Maribelle and Lissa. The only real thing that Henry gives Owain is Sorcerer,(Barbarian overlaps and Thief is mostly obsoleted by Myrmidon) and surprisingly, Ricken is actually Brady's worst dad since he gives him nothing. OK, not literally nothing, but Brady already starts with Mage/Priest and Cavalier, so he already has Ricken's niche as a dad by default. By swapping them over, Owain gets access to Luna but he also gets Lifetaker like he does with Henry thanks to getting it from Ricken's Mage tree. Brady gets a lot more out of Henry, getting Dark Mage to do some Sorcerer stuff, Barbarian for Axefaire as a War Monk (or as a possible physical support) and Thief for extra utility in the main game as well as Assassin as another possible physical class if he desires. Basically, Owain and Brady get a lot more when they swap dads than what they have now. That's a good point, I forgot about Luna on Owain and he does appreciate the magic boost Ricken gives. As for Brady, I'm probably not going to do anything different with him and he's not that suited for physical classes anyway. It's not like Henry hurts him though so swapping Henry and Ricken sounds like a good idea. Virion!Inigo is also falling a bit in popularity, but it's still a solid option, since Inigo gets quite a bit of speed to work with and a good selection of class options. Only thing that comes to mind that he's missing is Luna, but he'd also like to inherit a good amount of speed with it too, and the only non-Avatar parent who can do that is Chrom. If getting Luna on Inigo is a big deal, you could do a swap around of say, Chrom/Olivia, Sumia/Henry, and Maribelle/Libra. Lucina loses out on Pavise and Tomefaire but gains Vantage and Swordfaire, Cynthia loses Aegis, Paladin and Bowbreaker but gains a whole ton of really good stuff. (Troubadour for Valkyrie access and Dual Support+, Thief for Assassin access, Dark Mage for Hex/Anathema, Lifetaker and a possible class option in Sorcerer) If you do decide to do this, the shift from Henry to Libra might matter if you're using him for physical support or as an Axefaire War Monk, but Libra's acceptable if you're making him a magic offensive Sage, which it looks like you're doing. For your situation, it might not be worth doing all that shuffling just to get a fast Luna on Inigo, though, so if this doesn't sound like a good idea to you, that's fine. I don't think it's that great an idea personally. Lucina really benefits from Sumia as her mother more than Olivia and Cynthia also appreciates the stuff that Chrom offers her. Sumia just offers more flexibility for what I need than Olivia does; Lucina is practically a one trick pony with Olivia as the mother and isn't nearly as good as a Paladin whereas with Sumia, she can run a PavGis set boosted by Rightful King and be a mobile tank that's still fast enough to double nearly everything. Even as a Dark Flier, the speed boost Sumia gives makes it a bit easier for her to double Anna than with Olivia. I think I just might use Inigo as a Sniper to make the most out of Virion's unique qualities. I know Chrom is technically better but Inigo still performs well. I do like my Longbows. Vaike!Gerome is also another one that's falling a bit, but it's still solid if only for Berserker access. I might give him Kellam instead, but that's just me. Kellam makes Gerome a bit slower, but he also gives him Knight for Dual Guard/Luna and Pavise, and like Vaike he also gives Thief so that he can do stuff with Deliverer/Movement+1 and other fun things like that. I'm pretty much using Gerome exclusively as a Berserker, bar a few ciricumstances (Five Fight Anna), so I think Vaike has the edge on this one. Henry and Gregor were also candidates but I think they do better elsewhere. If I take off Limit Breaker, I think I might give Gerome Movement +1 or Acrobat to further enhance his supporting role. Set-wise, Gregor!Laurent should probably run Sol over Vengeance for more healing, and in general if a character's using a proc, Luna is the best option thanks to its activation rate and the higher damage it does against higher defense. (Stahl!Severa should pretty much always run it, for one) It's basically a necessity for Apotheosis, so it can't hurt to run it when you can. The problem with Sol is that it's just redundant on a Sorcerer. I can see it come up if they still have Waste or Mire equipped on the enemy phase but there are ways you can get around that (trade command, dance with Olivia, careful positioning). If Laurent's equipped with Forged Aversa's Night (which he should be in most cases), Sol becomes a waste of a slot. The nice thing about Vengeance is that it's a free damage boost that goes well with Aversa's Night and helps his healing, so there's almost no downsides to it (if any). Good point about Stahl!Severa getting Luna instead of Astra. I think I'll do that instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 (edited) Maribelle works better with lon'qu than with Ricken. Brady already has all the skills he could want, and the SPD really helps him (vantage is also a nice addition) and Lon'qu won't hurt his MAG at all, since he has a neutral modifier. Ricken only give Brady archer, which is pretty terrible, since his other classes overlap. Henry also works well, but IMO Lon'qu is still the best. But if you prefer Henry go with him. Edited July 12, 2013 by Nobody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeoandReo Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 That's a good point, I forgot about Luna on Owain and he does appreciate the magic boost Ricken gives. As for Brady, I'm probably not going to do anything different with him and he's not that suited for physical classes anyway. It's not like Henry hurts him though so swapping Henry and Ricken sounds like a good idea. Nobody mentioned above me that Lon'qu could make a fine substitute as well. Lon'qu's best kids otherwise are Severa and Laurent, both of whom have good alternatives in your setup. (Stahl and Gregor, respectively) The main thing that Lon'qu gives Brady is speed, which is useful for offense. Brady already starts with a lot of really good stuff, (Galeforce, Luna, Dual Guard, Tomefaire, can get Aggressor) so pretty much anything is gravy for him. Lon'qu gives him Myrmidon to be a better Henry!Brady if he needs to do physical support due to getting Swordfaire, as well as Deliverer from Wyvern. The Sage speed cap is fairly high and works well with a Dark Flier support, so while I'd argue he might not need it, it's still good for convenience reasons. Cynthia's pretty much the same way, too, in that she starts with a really good skillset right out of the box, or really a skillset nearly identical to Brady's. (Galeforce, Luna, Dual Guard, Tomefaire) It seems like she was really born to do magic offense, though she can do physical stuff as well. All of her potential fathers give her something useful to do physically, as well as other neat perks. Chrom gives Aether, Paladin as a good ending class, Archer for Bowbreaker/Bowfaire and Pavise/Aegis. Fred also gives Paladin, Pavise/Aegis and Wyvern. Gaius gives Assassin and Vantage/Sol, and Henry gives Valkyrie, good magic, Sorcerer option, and Assassin. I don't think it's that great an idea personally. Lucina really benefits from Sumia as her mother more than Olivia and Cynthia also appreciates the stuff that Chrom offers her. Sumia just offers more flexibility for what I need than Olivia does; Lucina is practically a one trick pony with Olivia as the mother and isn't nearly as good as a Paladin whereas with Sumia, she can run a PavGis set boosted by Rightful King and be a mobile tank that's still fast enough to double nearly everything. Even as a Dark Flier, the speed boost Sumia gives makes it a bit easier for her to double Anna than with Olivia. I think I just might use Inigo as a Sniper to make the most out of Virion's unique qualities. I know Chrom is technically better but Inigo still performs well. I do like my Longbows. I understand if it's a major issue. Sumia!Lucina is my favourite Lucina as well for those reasons. In my experience comparing the two, Olivia!Lucina is a little more offensively oriented, mostly due to access to Assassin as a possible ending class. Sumia makes her more defensive with Pavise/Aegis completion, Cleric tree for Miracle/Renewal, and better as a Dark Flier for Tomefaire access. The logic behind Olivia!Lucina is basically to benefit the other kids that would be affected otherwise, (Just Cynthia and Inigo. Chrom!Brady's meh and Chrom!Kjelle's awful.) and I find she can still perform most roles acceptably if not fantastic,(Galeforce/Luna/Dual Guard even lets her do Dark Flier okay) so for the most part, it's entirely up to preference. As for Inigo, the speed difference between Virion!Inigo and someone like Frederick!Inigo is significant enough to note, since the 4 point difference makes it easier to hit certain benchmarks. Inigo can run some other proc such as Astra in place of Luna, so while he'd really like getting it, it's not a huge deal if he doesn't. I actually use him with Chrom as the father as a Sniper, actually. Galeforce/Luna are staples for him, but he can also do stuff like Rightful King Lethality if he wants, so you could probably run something similar with Virion as the father. Virion also gives him some other interesting stuff like Galeforce/Lifetaker and access to Sage as a possible ending class, as well as Deliverer and 4 breakers from Wyvern/Mercenary trees. I'm pretty much using Gerome exclusively as a Berserker, bar a few ciricumstances (Five Fight Anna), so I think Vaike has the edge on this one. Henry and Gregor were also candidates but I think they do better elsewhere. If I take off Limit Breaker, I think I might give Gerome Movement +1 or Acrobat to further enhance his supporting role. The problem with Sol is that it's just redundant on a Sorcerer. I can see it come up if they still have Waste or Mire equipped on the enemy phase but there are ways you can get around that (trade command, dance with Olivia, careful positioning). If Laurent's equipped with Forged Aversa's Night (which he should be in most cases), Sol becomes a waste of a slot. The nice thing about Vengeance is that it's a free damage boost that goes well with Aversa's Night and helps his healing, so there's almost no downsides to it (if any). Good point about Stahl!Severa getting Luna instead of Astra. I think I'll do that instead. If you decide to do Lon'qu!Brady, you could free up Henry for Gerome, who is exactly like Vaike except he also has Sorcerer for Hex/Anathema to increase crit rates so you could do that if you want. Speed and strength mods are a little lower, though, so it depends on what you want. As for Laurent, he does have a decent amount of choice for an offensive proc depending on father. I personally like to give him Myrmidon if possible, (usually through Lon'qu) so I run Astra on him instead. Ricken/Kellam/Stahl/Fred give him Luna, Lon'qu/Gaius/Gregor give Astra, and he already starts with Vengeance. I like Vengeance better for pure offense builds, (critical with Ruins, etc.) while I usually use Astra as an all-purpose proc otherwise. The activation rate might be an issue, though, so Vengeance might be better for your needs, I'd agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 I actually don't think Lon'qu!Severa is a good idea, no Luna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PM ME MARIANNE ART Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 It looks good, except I would switch Henry and Ricken. Brady gets horrible class overlap from Ricken. Henry also can give axefaire if you want him as a war monk. Maybe switch Frederick and Vaike. I've never tried Vaike!Yarne before, but he would probably make a better berserker than Gerome. Frederick!Gerome is the absolute best as well. Of course, if Yarne's going to be a support unit, than you want Fred as his father. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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