Vashiane Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) Tomes are probably my favorite aspect of the entire Fire Emblem universe and we don't have a general discussion thread for them. Let's fix this right now because honestly I could discuss tomes for a month. Wait, this is a potential discussion thread let's add some actual points we can discuss here. Edited October 23, 2014 by Vashiane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Masayoshi Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Dark Magic tomes are great Too bad they're inaccurate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vashiane Posted October 23, 2014 Author Share Posted October 23, 2014 Dark Magic tomes are great Too bad they're inaccurate I'm fairly certain that's the point, since light magic tomes are weaker yet more accurate and then Anima's in the middle with its own hierachy of weakness/accuracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Masayoshi Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 If you split Anima down even further, Thunder is the highest of crit, Wind is the highest with Accuracy and Fire is the most might. I would honestly go with Thunder, crit city and stuff. I'm fairly certain that's the point, since light magic tomes are weaker yet more accurate and then Anima's in the middle with its own hierachy of weakness/accuracy. I would honestly like it if they brought back Light Magic, since it disappeared into the ether, and things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentASM Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Tomes are awesome. I love how in the newer games (okay, just two of them), each tome has an unique front cover in battle. See FE10 and FE13. This tome in particular rocks : P I also like how FE13's spell animations have the Tellius ancient text particle effect, ripped straight from FE10. It's so surreal seeing legacy tomes like Excalibur or Holsety with Tellius text next to them. Pretty sure IS is hinting at something here (like all FE's spells have roots to Tellius, the oldest known continent). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vashiane Posted October 23, 2014 Author Share Posted October 23, 2014 If you split Anima down even further, Thunder is the highest of crit, Wind is the highest with Accuracy and Fire is the most might. I would honestly go with Thunder, crit city and stuff. I would honestly like it if they brought back Light Magic, since it disappeared into the ether, and things. That's the general strategy, or at least that's how it goes when it comes to Awakening, so far as I know. With lightning having a higher crit chance and Wind being effective against winged units, fire kind of gets shafted. (Well, once again, this is Awakening; apparently fire magic is effective against laguz units in Tellius.) I wonder what happened to light magic to make it all but vanish except for the Book of Naga, which technically isn't even classified as "light magic" anyway. Tomes are awesome. I love how in the newer games (okay, just two of them), each tome has an unique front cover in battle. See FE10 and FE13. This tome in particular rocks : P I also like how FE13's spell animations have the Tellius ancient text particle effect, ripped straight from FE10. It's so surreal seeing legacy tomes like Excalibur or Holsety with Tellius text next to them. Pretty sure IS is hinting at something here (like all FE's spells have roots to Tellius, the oldest known continent). Oh look, Goetia! Ohhh, so that's where the golden text comes from... huh. I had no clue about that. But if magic originated from Tellius, that makes a ton of sense considering just how many tomes the game had. And over time they slowly became lost, or destroyed or altered into what we have in 13. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deleted35362 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Dark Magic tomes are great Too bad they're inaccurate inaccurate? not always. luna in fe7 is pretty fricken scary. I also like how FE13's spell animations have the Tellius ancient text particle effect, ripped straight from FE10. It's so surreal seeing legacy tomes like Excalibur or Holsety with Tellius text next to them. Pretty sure IS is hinting at something here (like all FE's spells have roots to Tellius, the oldest known continent). i'm psure that's another forced reference. fe13 does that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowofchaos Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) Oh look, Goetia! That name is BS... that is obviously the Triforce of Power with Ganondorf's Dark Magic in tome form. Particularly, my friend refers to Dark Magic as "The Fun Tomes" because of their effects, and sometimes horrendous eye candy. Remember FE6 Apocalypse? Post of GIF of Apocalyse flagged for porn Edited October 23, 2014 by shadowofchaos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricaofRenais Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I love the tomes in Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn they seem to be the most balanced of the FE games I have played, but I have to say that Awakening has the best dark magic tomes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momogeek2141 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Tomes are awesome. I love how in the newer games (okay, just two of them), each tome has an unique front cover in battle. See FE10 and FE13. This tome in particular rocks : P I also like how FE13's spell animations have the Tellius ancient text particle effect, ripped straight from FE10. It's so surreal seeing legacy tomes like Excalibur or Holsety with Tellius text next to them. Pretty sure IS is hinting at something here (like all FE's spells have roots to Tellius, the oldest known continent). OMG ITS THE TRIFORCE!!! Ok, I'm done. I liked the idea of a magic trinity (Anima>light>dark>anima) back in the GBA games. Dark magic is horrendous in FE6, but super annoying in FE4,5,and 7. (Hel hit rate, luna hit rate, Jormung poison (and hit rate)?!?!?) Apocalypse has to be one of my favorite spell animations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Arcfire is my favorite. Because awesome fire magic. :3 And Robin uses it in Smash! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirmola Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Killing everybody with holsety in fe4 never gets old. Hilariously unbalanced is fun sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HK Motendra Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 (edited) in the designer notes, , apparently, magic comes from these deities in Akaneia, which Gotoh founded. Comment: Originally primitive deities existed at Akaneia and people believed these deities existed in all things. To lead mankind, Gotoh utilised the power of these deities. Magic (both offensive and recovery) is about as advanced as the dragon race’s technology, but it was difficult and dangerous for humans to use. Gotoh convinced humans to borrow the deities’ powers and warned them at the same time. So fire magic comes from the deity of fire, wind magic is borrowed from the deity of wind and etc. Magic is thus the technology where one harnesses energy that exists naturally. Spell books and staves can be thought of as vessels that store this energy. To release this energy requires a certain amount of skill, such as by chanting keywords or through mental control techniques. In order to acquire a sufficient skill level, one must undergo self-training. Prayers to the deities seems to reveal the keywords, while it also raises one’s mental capacity. Meanwhile, to protect the most powerful spells, like Aura or Excalibur, Gotoh attached a contract to them so that only the user could wield them. The same kind of protection was also placed on the Falchion. If this is the case, I wonder if said deities are still around in Awakening? Or are the tomes really Tellian magic? Edited October 27, 2014 by The King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentASM Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 That comment was made when Akaneia was pretty much the only continent in Fire Emblem, so I assume these deities exist on other continents too. If you ask me, I believe the deities exist or communicate with humans in the form of spirits. In FE9/10 (possibly the earliest FE in the timeline), humans can borrow the power of spirits to enhance their magical powers (spirit charmers). Sephiran also comments about the spirits helping mages cross the desert sand without impeded movement. So there's definitely a link between spirits and magic. (Nevermind the fact you fight actual spirits at the end of FE10 and they wield high level magic.) In Gaiden however, people don't use tomes or staves, so they sacrifice their HP to cast tomes. Micaiah does this in FE10 too with the Sacrifice ability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HK Motendra Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 (edited) I see. That would certainly explain the bit saying that it was dangerous for humans. That also probably would show why Grima's Truth exists. Given that Validar is Grimleal, and their supposed deity being Grima. But you gotta wonder why these spirits/deities haven't been delved upon yet in any of the titles (or as far as I know. Coming from a guy who only finished FE11-13) If Awakening had more DLC that were more akin to FE12's (basically, a BS Awakening) I'd imagine it'd be an extra that would star either Miriel, Laurent, or both of them. Actually, a DLC starring each of the 1st Gen units would sound pretty awesome now that I think of the possibility. But that's a whole other thing entirely Edited October 27, 2014 by The King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentASM Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 (edited) Minor spoilers: Grima isn't a real deity. However I can see where you're coming from, because the tome does borrow Grima's strength (as far as I know). In this case, I think Grima's Truth works more like the legendary weapons of Jugdral (see here, specifically the question "how do the holy weapons work"). It would still make sense since Grima is a dragon. The spirits/deities are mostly confined to background knowledge, probably because they're too complicated. But they do appear every now and again, like the spirits in FE10's endgame. I wouldn't be surprised if some support conversations touch on them, but I haven't had the time to read all of them (plus my memory is poor). Edited October 27, 2014 by VincentASM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HK Motendra Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Well then. I just got a new incentive to finish FE4. If only both my laptop and charger didn't die on me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QMan Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 The magic in Awakening is one of my few peeves: how Rexcalibur is clearly Tornado, Thor Hammer instead of Rexbolt, but Rexflame and Bolganone coexist... It's just a compulsive tendency of mine I guess... I'm very particular about my magic. Killing everybody with holsety in fe4 never gets old. Hilariously unbalanced is fun sometimes. Holsety is my favorite spell in the series (animation-wise and usefulness), followed by Balberith (seriously the coolest animation ever), then it's a tough choice between Ivaldi, Starlight, and Aureola (love my S-rank Light Magic... er except Starlight isn't S-rank...). FE7 Forblaze is awesome too, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowofchaos Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 (edited) Thor Hammer instead of Rexbolt Umm... where is Rexbolt in Awakening? Unless you're referring to the European localization where I'd assume that's the name for Mjölnir /Thor Hammer. Edited November 7, 2014 by shadowofchaos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axie Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Really random pet peeve time: Rexcalibur is the dumbest weapon name in Fire Emblem history. I actually liked the idea of creating a Rex like as the S-rank tomes, but Rexwind would have been just fine. Rexcalibur is Excalibur plus an awkward R, it sounds stupid. When I get Awakening I don't know how I will deal with the fact the game has both Rexcalibur and Excalibur as distinct weapons. x_x I have read somewhere that the French translations of the games change Rexcalibur (worst name) to Fimbulvetr (best name). All other translations should have done the same. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirie Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Umm... where is Rexbolt in Awakening? Unless you're referring to the European localization where I'd assume that's the name for Mjölnir /Thor Hammer. It's Mjölnir in the Euro version, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterIceTeaPeach Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 (edited) Mjölnir is the translation of rexbolt in FE9 and 10. In FE13 it's changed to Mjölnir in the EU-version. Edited November 7, 2014 by The Taninator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentASM Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 For reference, Rexcalibur is Fimbulvetr in the game code, while Rexbolt is Mjolnir. Just in case anybody was wondering where NOE pulled those names from. I believe Rexflame is Forblaze too and Rexaura just Aura. What's Rexflame called in the French version? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterIceTeaPeach Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 What's Rexflame called in the French version? Brasier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentASM Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Thanks. Guess Forblaze was too specific. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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