Arrout Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 So, I'm almost finishing Seisen no Keifu (I'm in chapter 9), and I have read about Thracia 776, I haven't played it yet, so I don't really know. However, as far as I know, there are some things that make me wonder the cannonicity of Thracia. It seemingly retconned a lot of stuff from Seisen no Keifu, so should we disconsider things that happened in the game? Like, for example, Leif and Nanna should start as lovers, and both should be a lot stronger, everyone that was in Thracia 776 should be stronger. The cannon pairings seem ok, nothing incoerent, since Fin can romance Raquesis, and Lewyn can romance Ferry.So should we consider that Thracia 776 reworked some of Seisen's story, or we should consider it not cannon? I haven't played it yet, but it seems to me this way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Karimov Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I'd say an astounding yes, it should be considered canon. The thing about Leif/Nanna is maybe that IS wanted to shove a particular pairing down our throats(Sound familiar?) Also, the thing about them being stronger, that's what RPGs do. In the sequel, the characters lose all the power they had previously gained. Plus, Genealogy was made before Thracia, and interquels can be hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Book of Ereshkigal Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I don't see why not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrout Posted April 21, 2014 Author Share Posted April 21, 2014 Well, guess you're right, I just guessed it over... But I don't have any problem with the pairings they throw at us, I like them anyways XDInterquels are hard and frustrating to do without messing with some story aspects, and yeah, many RPGs make levels lower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Banzai Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 It's the only part of Jugdral worth being canon, so yeah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbf Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 How's Thracia not canon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HF Makalov Fanboy Kai Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 even if gameplay wise, i don't like Tharcia as much as others, i see no problem with it being canon. the story is pretty good too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klokinator Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 The fact Leif doesn't promote to Master Knight in FE5 is reason for it not to be canon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrout Posted April 21, 2014 Author Share Posted April 21, 2014 (edited) The fact Leif doesn't promote to Master Knight in FE5 is reason for it not to be canon. Best answer I've read in quite some time Edited April 21, 2014 by Arrout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrightBow Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 The fact Leif doesn't promote to Master Knight in FE5 is reason for it not to be canon. Why would that be a problem? It makes no sense for him to be a Master Knight in FE5 since that game chronologically ends not too long after Leaf was recruited as a level 1 Prince in FE4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Book of Ereshkigal Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Why would that be a problem? It makes no sense for him to be a Master Knight in FE5 since that game chronologically ends not too long after Leaf was recruited as a level 1 Prince in FE4. Pretty sure Klok was making a joke about how immensley disappoint that would be if you played FE4 and assumed that was Lief's promotion. (Just say his horse died before Seliph showed up) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klokinator Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Yeah L95 hit it on the head. FE4 came first, so you play it and get like the ultimate class for his promotion. Then you play FE5 and he promotes to the shitty class he had in FE4. Fuck canonity, it's just a goddamn disappointment to me as a player. Why can't he be Prince class in FE5 and promote to MK? Would make me as a player feel way better than just getting a +1 to movement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cymbalina's Revenge Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Yeah L95 hit it on the head. FE4 came first, so you play it and get like the ultimate class for his promotion. Then you play FE5 and he promotes to the shitty class he had in FE4. Fuck canonity, it's just a goddamn disappointment to me as a player. Why can't he be Prince class in FE5 and promote to MK? Would make me as a player feel way better than just getting a +1 to movement. 'Cause he's supposed to be the underdog, not to uebermensch. I mean, it's still awful, but it's in keeping with many of the other things that fall under the category "Thracia BS." Now, as to a storyline reason why Finn is still a Level 7 unpromoted unit after all that time, you've got me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 who cares? leif is already an awesome unit anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrightBow Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 (edited) Yeah L95 hit it on the head. FE4 came first, so you play it and get like the ultimate class for his promotion. Then you play FE5 and he promotes to the shitty class he had in FE4. Fuck canonity, it's just a goddamn disappointment to me as a player. Why can't he be Prince class in FE5 and promote to MK? Would make me as a player feel way better than just getting a +1 to movement. So if I get this right, you mean that FE5 should be considered non-canon because it is actually consistent with FE4? But if it was going completely off the rails by making him a Master Knight as early as Lenster it could be canon? Edited April 22, 2014 by BrightBow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Book of Ereshkigal Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 (edited) 'Cause he's supposed to be the underdog, not to uebermensch. I mean, it's still awful, but it's in keeping with many of the other things that fall under the category "Thracia BS." Now, as to a storyline reason why Finn is still a Level 7 unpromoted unit after all that time, you've got me... ...Joke. A joke. So if I get this right, you mean that FE5 should be considered non-canon because it is actually consistent with FE4? But if it was going completely off the rails by making him a Master Knight as early as Lenster it could be canon? No. He was making a joke. Edited April 22, 2014 by L95 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cymbalina's Revenge Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 ...Joke. A joke. No. He was making a joke. Actually the promotion-continuity thing bothers me in both FE5 and the Marth games. What, I promote all my Archanean peg knights to badass dragon riders, skip ahead two years and everyone's back on a pegasus? Grr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klokinator Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 (edited) That's my point, really. Why does Leif have to lose MK promotion in FE5 to fix the timeline and remain canon? You don't have that issue in FE6/7 for all characters, or FE9/10 for all characters. Characters you promote in FE5 are unpromoted in FE4, all except for Leif. Gimme a badass Master Knight promotion for the main lord, damnit. who cares? leif is already an awesome unit anyway. I don't define swordlocked no-mount as awesome. Not to mention he's shitty unless you give him every stat booster in the game, but other characters are great without said boosters and godlike WITH the boosters. I hate nerfing the main lord to make them shittier than the other characters, game designers that do this are scum. Edited April 22, 2014 by Klok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siuloir Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 (edited) It appeared later than Genealogy, so the inconsistencies can be attributed to the design timeline, I imagine. I don't see why it shouldn't be. It's the only part of Jugdral worth being canon, so yeah Two weeks ago you were trashing the script for Thracia as being completely worthless. Now it's the only part of Jugdral worth being canon. What gives? That's my point, really. Why does Leif have to lose MK promotion in FE5 to fix the timeline and remain canon? You don't have that issue in FE6/7 for all characters, or FE9/10 for all characters. Characters you promote in FE5 are unpromoted in FE4, all except for Leif. Gimme a badass Master Knight promotion for the main lord, damnit. I don't define swordlocked no-mount as awesome. Not to mention he's shitty unless you give him every stat booster in the game, but other characters are great without said boosters and godlike WITH the boosters. I hate nerfing the main lord to make them shittier than the other characters, game designers that do this are scum. You can give Leif one +HP booster and maybe the Speed Ring and carry the first 12 chapters of the game. He has a PRF 1-2 range weapon that hits on Magic, Pursuit, has a plethora of Support bonuses with many other strong members of the cast... Also, being no-mount in a game with dismount and a sizeable number of indoor chapters, especially the concluding ones. I'm sorry Klok, but lately when you post about mechanics, you do little more than out yourself as a suboptimal Fire Emblem player, especially when you are arguing counter to -dondon-. Edited April 22, 2014 by Siuloir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X-Naut Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 I don't define swordlocked no-mount as awesome. Not to mention he's shitty unless you give him every stat booster in the game, but other characters are great without said boosters and godlike WITH the boosters. I hate nerfing the main lord to make them shittier than the other characters, game designers that do this are scum. With better mounted unit mechanics (read: dismounting), irrelevant weapon triangle, and Sword of Seals lite as his personal weapon being a swordlocked foot unit isn't such a big deal. The Manster chapters also give him enough exp to easily reach 20 by chapter 18, and scrolls can fix his mediocre growths. Wait above Staff, infinite range status staves, and the RNG are far worse than (not really) sandbagging the main character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke of Dozel Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 who cares? leif is already an awesome unit anyway. I died. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 (edited) does that mean that i so overwhelmed you with my assertive correctness that you figuratively died, or that you found my notion so ridiculous that you figuratively died? i'd prefer not to argue from authority as siuloir kind of did earlier (for one, i'd be using myself as the authority figure). if you'd like to challenge me on this particular statement, i'll be perfectly willing to take you up on that. Edited April 22, 2014 by dondon151 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiki Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 I've never tried to shoot cannonballs with my copy of Thracia 776, but I wonder if other people here have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Banzai Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Two weeks ago you were trashing the script for Thracia as being completely worthless. Now it's the only part of Jugdral worth being canon. What gives? 1. script =/= plot 2. FE4 is infinitely worse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Leaf is forced in every chapter and immune to fatigue, and most of the good characters don't really need boosters. So I'd say Leaf gets the most out of (some of) them by far. He will never set the world on fire, but he's definitely a solid unit. Therefore, his game should be considered canon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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