Soul's FE7 character rating topic.

[Junkhead]

I didn't reply before because I didn't have the numbers myself, but if you want a change I think you need to start providing actual ingame statistical evidence.

EDIT: Sain should definitely be at least a 9, though. 10 might be pushing it. LHM doesn't really need a 10 imo.

Here it is:

Anyway, these are just the starting enemies, the Brigand reinforcements are the slow ones that anyone aside Wil can double.

I'll get Sain up to a 9, though. Him and Kent are just about equals in offense earlygame, but Kent starts out doubling sooner.

[Parrhesia]

I love how the level one archers beat the level 1 merc by 1 HP, and then get beaten by 1 Str, 5 Skl, 2 Spd and 1 Def.

I do echo that Sain should go up to a 9 or 9.5.

[Junkhead]

Already done, I've changed Sain's score to a 9, not going to a perfect 10 since he won't start doubling too soon.

Just so you know, I'll clarify this again: I am using averages.

[Junkhead]

Florina

Florina is our first lance-locked unit, in LHM. It's nice to know that she'll be having WTA against the most unusual enemies (Mercenaries and Myrmidons), but everything else...this place is an axefest. And with her durability (17 HP/4 Def) she isn't getting any better any time soon. Like most, she is 3HKO'ing, but with actual Hit rate problems, her offense is a little shaky. Her durability is not much better either, because with her 17 HP/4 def (60%/15% HP/Def growths) she isn't getting off the 2HKO anytime soon unless she is over-leveled or decides to take an Angelic Robe, which isn't a bad idea, considering her role as a flier unit.

I just finished stating all of her downs. But what does she have going for her that make her worth using and training? For one, she's a flier. And she doesn't need stats for that to be useful. Being a flier makes her shave us a few turns in a few chapters...

Analogy

Chapter 5 - She can ferry Lyndis across the lake, all the way up to Bug, the chapter's boss, and kill him along with another enemy there.

Chapter 7 - Once again, ferrying Lyn to take on the boss. We could 2-turn this chapter thanks to her!

Chapter 8 - She can take down the Archer on the Ballistae to stop bugging Nils, and then, either ferry Lyn up to Yogi, or simply fly all the way up to the LOLdier reinforcents down to the South-West corner.

Chapter 9 - Boy, this is getting redundant. She can ferry Lyndis up to where Eagler is, and then Seize fast for a very fast clear.

Chapter 10 - The last of our "Ferry Lyn" operation. The last chapter. You can have her ferry a promoted Wallace up to Ludgren so that he can make things easier for Lyn once she gets there. This will garantee to get Lyn to seize before turn 10.

It's ridiculous in how many chapters she saves us turns in. This is just what makes her so unique in this mode, as well as a great unit.

And at last, I'll mention that half-way through LHM, when Brigands start being less common, she can start taking on weaker enemies she is prone to have either WTA, or just stay neutral, since she 1RKO's LOLdiers with an Iron lance and 2HKO'd Mercenaries and Archers (after an Str proc for Archers). So she's not bad on the offense department either.

Don't hesitate on training her at all. She'll also be very useful on what's to come, in HHM. Also, don't be cheap and give her the damn Robe. <img src='http://serenesforest.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':P' />

Score: 8

HHM! Florina

Once again, Florina joins as that amazing utility unit, with about average combat skills.

I.O.U a better rating.

Score: 8.5

Edited May 21, 2011 by Soul

[Rewjeo]

Wait, Florina recruits herself?

[Integrity]

Yeah. She shows up on your side automatically at the beginning of Turn 1.

So does Lyn's contingent.

EDIT: Well, Lyn's is on your side, technically, but not over on your side.

Oh, you know what I mean.

Edited April 29, 2010 by Integrity

[Junkhead]

Wil

The only use Wil has, in my opinion, has to be chipping. What else does he do best? He's 3HKO'ing everything until that decent Str growth kicks in (and while everyone else not-Sain, Dorcas and Lucius is falling on 3HKO's, they usually make up it by doubling, and even bearing an Enemy Phase. Something Wil lacks for being an Archer). His best chapter in LHM would have to be Chapter 4. He has walls to rely on and kill some enemies before the chapter is over. Although, his base durability isn't bad. It's comparable to that of Kent and Sain...which is good, considering that, unlike Lyndis and Florina, he doesn't get 2HKO'd. But again, it still sucks when you lack an Enemy Phase to even use that durability. His chipping might be useful for at most one more chapter, though. Like Chapter 6, to chip a Mercenary for Erk to kill. And that's about it.

My recommendation is, don't bother using him, as he doesn't really pay you off. He'll need tons of levels to be good by HHM.

1.5

HHM!Wil

Lol...

Like before, Wil has no value for anything other than chipping. Then again, his best chapter has to be his starting chapter, Chapter 16, where Pegasi actually pose a threat on Lyndis.

My score: 1

Edited December 17, 2010 by Soul

[Rewjeo]

Yeah. She shows up on your side automatically at the beginning of Turn 1.

So does Lyn's contingent.

EDIT: Well, Lyn's is on your side, technically, but not over on your side.

Oh, you know what I mean.

That's not what I meant. I was referring to "she recruits the best peggie in FE7"

[Junkhead]

That was obviously meant for Florina, Florina is going to be a bit busy flying around and then recruting Fiora, you know, she is balanced and has slightly less Atk than Florina as well as better durability.

[dondon151]

Florina is by far the best PK in this game.

[Integrity]

That's not what I meant. I was referring to "she recruits the best peggie in FE7"

I had to reread this a couple times. I get it now.

>>

[Junkhead]

Florina is by far the best PK in this game.

Why? I actually do like Florina over the other two, but that's due to a personal preference since I like the character itself, Florina contributes pretty well before she recruits Fiora, but not that much really...and they're just about the same in combat, Fiora can support both Sain and Florina which give her decent Atk and has pretty good ease keeping up with them. If Florina IS better, I wouldn't exactly say that there's much of a difference...Fiora grows into a magic tank later on.

[Interceptor]

Well, Florina has Lyn Mode. I don't know if you're accounting for the possibility of stat boosters, but both of the ones there help Florina considerably respective to Fiora.

[dondon151]

Why? I actually do like Florina over the other two, but that's due to a personal preference since I like the character itself, Florina contributes pretty well before she recruits Fiora, but not that much really...and they're just about the same in combat, Fiora can support both Sain and Florina which give her decent Atk and has pretty good ease keeping up with them. If Florina IS better, I wouldn't exactly say that there's much of a difference...Fiora grows into a magic tank later on.

1. Fiora's supports are not viable in efficient play.

2. Florina's level lead and possible LM stat boosters put her offense and durability above Fiora's. Higher starting level also gets higher priority for a promotion item.

3. Florina is around to help you on chapters 16, 17, 17x, and 18, all of which would like a considerable amount of help. She bypasses terrain on 16 (providing that you exhaust the ballista first), keeps up with people on 17, does the 5 turn clear with all items on 17x, and is not confined to the ship on 18.

[Mekkah]

I like how literally half of the Wil review is about his joining chapter performance.

[Junkhead]

I like how literally half of the Wil review is about his joining chapter performance.

As stated, he isn't worth deploying after that, he's just not doing much when he's low on Mov, mediocre on durability and just below-average on offense.

1. Fiora's supports are not viable in efficient play.

2. Florina's level lead and possible LM stat boosters put her offense and durability above Fiora's. Higher starting level also gets higher priority for a promotion item.

3. Florina is around to help you on chapters 16, 17, 17x, and 18, all of which would like a considerable amount of help. She bypasses terrain on 16 (providing that you exhaust the ballista first), keeps up with people on 17, does the 5 turn clear with all items on 17x, and is not confined to the ship on 18.

Stats boosters...I am not going for an S rank run here, seeing as using stat boosters decrease your funds, but those reasons are pretty convincing to make her better, thank you.

@Interceptor: Remember that characters that appear in LM get a different rank in HHM, so that's why I didn't take into consideration that her performance there would make her much better than Fiora.

Edited April 30, 2010 by Soul

[Dat Nick]

As stated, he isn't worth deploying after that, he's just not doing much when he's low on Mov

5 move is average, not low.

Oswin? That's low.

[Junkhead]

It's pretty bad for a unit that doesn't have 1-range attacks and doesn't counter-attack. And what do you think of the score? Too low, too high...?

[Interceptor]

@Interceptor: Remember that characters that appear in LM get a different rank in HHM, so that's why I didn't take into consideration that her performance there would make her much better than Fiora.

I didn't forget. My point was that the stat boosters in LM can make Florina considerably better than Fiora. The ring is worth ~6 levels of Fiora's STR growth, or ~10 of HP for the Robe.

[Dat Nick]

It's pretty bad for a unit that doesn't have 1-range attacks

Why does this matter? Move is move whether you can counter-attack or not. Wil sucks because he's a dipshit on offense, not because of move or durability (he's no worse there than an average character)

[Junkhead]

Dorcas

Dorcas starts out rather decent, not great, and not too bad either. He bears the same Atk as base level Sain, so he's garanteed to kill just about anything in two hits that isn't a boss. His base Def is pretty awful, it's only +1 over Lyn's base, his 25% Def growth isn't helping out either, yet, he doesn't suffer from durability here in Lyn's Mode due to being an HP tank, so that means he can take in quite a few hits, he gets 8RKO'd by the very first Mercenaries, those later start to 5RKO him, but it's not like they're ever doubling him. Brigands just 3HKO him, so his durability is just below Kent, Sain and Lyndis' (Beast Avo against axe users).

But in general, as stated before, he kills everything in two hits, and he isn't suffering Spd issues (Doesn't double, but isn't getting doubled either) and he's hitting pretty much anything and barely having trouble hitting sword users. Since doubling isn't really garanteed to anybody but Lyndis (Or an overleveled Kent & Sain), I think Dorcas is almost at their league, if it weren't for his lack of a mount. I'll give him an honest:

6.5

HHM!Dorcas

This mode's pretty awful on him, this is where his weaknesses start to become (more) noticable. Let me provide you with his gowth rates:

HP: 80

Str: 60

Skill: 40

Spd: 20

Luck: 45

Def: 25

Res: 15

Funny thing is that the first three growths drop by 20 each time and at the more fundamental stats, this case being his Spd, which will fail to grow now and will be doubling Knights and LOLdiers only. Listen, Dorcas, you don't have to be faster than a bear, you just have to be faster than the enemies running behind you. So he's very reliable against LOLdiers (They have higher HP here, so not everyone is 1RKO'ing them earlygame), he's actually starting to have Hit issues against sword users, and he's 2RKO'ing peggies. Not bad, I would say. There are alot more lance users here, so axes might come in handy. And not to mention he can take a few hits before dying. His concrete durability falls lower here, even though he's having WTA over more enemies, his evasive durability isn't exactly reliable enough as to dodge most lance attacks (Especially when enemy PKs have high Skill, he saves himself from Javelins or Steel lances), he's not exactly getting doubled until around the chapter after you get him, but even then, it takes the fastest enemies (Mercs and Myrms) to double him, and they don't appear very often.

The characters he supports have exellent affinities, it really is a shame that his fastest support is with Bartre (A pretty bad unit, unfortunately), then we have his other supports...who either take forever (Osw1n) or simply come too late to be viable (Geitz, Vaida and Farina). Maybe...MAYBE through the long road you would want to support him with Oswin, seeing as that is Dorcas' as well as Osw1n's second best option, but I rather leave that in preference of the player.

But his earlygame isn't so bad, he's better than most on his joning side (Eliw00t, Rebecca, Barf-tray, probably even Guy due to WTA), since he's been leveled in LHM, he shouldn't have such a bad start, he's dealing better damage than anyone that isn't Marcus and Osw1n, and even though he doesn't have decent Def, he's still acting as an HP tank- Not as well as in LHM, but fairing a little better than most.

I'm not too sure if he's worth the Hero Crest, he's really suffering on Spd, this could only be fixed by a Speedwings, but that only makes his Spd suck less depending on his promotion time, he can be an exellent General/Wyern killer, though.

6

Edited November 1, 2010 by Soul

[Parrhesia]

Dorcas starts out rather decent, not great, and not too bad either, he bears the same Atk as base level Sain, so he's garanteed to kill just about anything in two hits that isn't a boss, his base Def is pretty awful, it's only +1 over Lyn's base, his 25% Def growth isn't helping out either, yet, he doesn't suffer from durability here in Lyn's Mode due to being an HP tank, he can take in quite a few hits, he gets 8RKO'd by the very first Mercenaries, those later start to 5RKO him, but it's not like they're ever doubling him, Brigands just 3RKO him, so his durability is just below Kent, Sain and Lyndis' (Due to the first two having good concrete durability and the latter bearing great evasive durability).

Longest sentence in SF history?

I do feel that Dorky should be higher, but I can't think of a reason off the top of my head. He is just...more than five, I feel.

[Integrity]

Dorcas is more than five, because...

uh...

Because Hammers, that's why.

[Junkhead]

Hammers get him to destroy Generals and Knights, but I did stay that in my review.

Edited May 1, 2010 by Soul

[Narga_Rocks]

Hammers get him to destroy Generals and Knights, but I did stay that in my review.

That's not an argument for why a 5 is fair. You could write a review for seth and talk about all the good things he does and then give him a 5. If people point out all those good things as reasons he is worth more than a 5, you can't say "but I said all that already" and expect it to justify the 5.