Disappointing character endings.

[Dragoncat]

Pure opinion thread here...are there any pairings you wish would happen but can't, or things that the games say happen to the characters that you don't agree with?

I'll use RD. Thought about putting this in that board. But I figured it could work for general FE too.

I disagree with Mist x Boyd, there looks to be too big of an age gap there, especially when Rolf is there. Seriously, IS? Rolf and Mist are close to the same age, if not the same...and their personalities mix better than with Mist and Boyd. So why on earth did they make poor Mist single for her whole life if you don't do that support? It makes NO sense. Can they not see it? Mist and Rolf are adorable together and a lot of fans agree with that. Plus, Boyd should be with...my OC lol. Not canon but works better...better personality mix and all that.

I also wanted Ike and Elincia to be together. I can see him not wanting to be king and all, but yeah...Ana found a good work around. She had Elincia give up the throne and Geoffrey take over. Which would work and makes a whole lot of sense, considering Elincia was nervous about being queen in the first place. And Geoffrey is a natural born leader. No brainer.

So yeah, without this turning into a bunch of arguments...post your own.

[Irysa]

You think those are bad?

Wait till you see FE3 Book 2 endings.

(PS, Ike x Soren for life, I drink Elincia shipper tears)

[Anacybele]

I also wanted Ike and Elincia to be together. I can see him not wanting to be king and all, but yeah...Ana found a good work around. She had Elincia give up the throne and Geoffrey take over. Which would work and makes a whole lot of sense, considering Elincia was nervous about being queen in the first place. And Geoffrey is a natural born leader. No brainer.

That's...not what I did. Renning took the throne in DoD, not Geoffrey. Geoffrey still remained the leader of the Royal Knights. And I think Ike would've become Prince Consort, not king, if he'd married Elincia and she stayed on the throne. In medieval times, women who married kings did become queens, but men who married queens didn't become kings, they became Prince Consorts. Heck, women didn't always become queens either, they also had the choice to become Princess Consort. We don't know if this also applies to Crimea though, so it's just my theory.

I'm fine with Boyd x Mist. But I do agree that Rolf x Mist should've been an option as well. And of course, Ike x Elincia should've been there.

(PS, Ike x Soren for life, I drink Elincia shipper tears)

Except Ike x Soren isn't canon either? They just go on a journey together, there's nothing romantic about the ending. Same with Ike/Ranulf. Plus, Priam now exists, which means Ike most probably married a female.

I didn't like a lot of RD's endings though. There should've been more choices for paired endings like the GBA games have. I wouldn't have taken away what's already available, but I would've added Kieran x Marcia, Gatrie x Astrid, Geoffrey x Callil (and wiped Largo from existence in both games, as I felt he had no reason to exist when Callil develops a crush on Geoffrey that could've been taken further), Soren x Mia, Boyd x Mia, Oscar x Tanith, Zihark x Ilyana, and probably more I'm not thinking of.

Gatrie's ending is the most wtf to me. He stays alone the rest of his life? This guy? Yeah, I have trouble seeing that.

Mist staying alone if she's not paired with Boyd doesn't make sense to me either. She never ever wanted to be alone or Ike to be away from her. And wouldn't she miss him terribly?

Ike just all of a sudden leaving as well. We're not even given a reason for it. And he always went on about how the mercenaries were like a family to him. I can't believe he just abandons them.

Edited September 27, 2014 by Anacybele

[Irysa]

Except Ike x Soren isn't canon either? They just go on a journey together, there's nothing romantic about the ending. Same with Ike/Ranulf. Plus, Priam now exists, which means Ike most probably married a female.

Disregarding the fact I was joking around (with that bait that I didn't realise anyone would actually fall for, god I need to use strikethroughs more), have you read this before? For the most part I'd say she does a better job of explaining the angle a lot better than I could reiterate for the umpteenth time.

[shadowofchaos]

Disregarding the fact I was joking around (with that bait that I didn't realise anyone would actually fall for, god I need to use strikethroughs more), have you read this before? For the most part I'd say she does a better job of explaining the angle a lot better than I could reiterate for the umpteenth time.

traincat has joked that the better question in 2014 is, "Is Ike a furry?"

I lost it at that.

I know about Amelion's endeavors simply due to the fact that they run the fe-according-to-japan tumblr blog.

Thanks for the great read!

Edited September 27, 2014 by shadowofchaos

[Anacybele]

Disregarding the fact I was joking around (with that bait that I didn't realise anyone would actually fall for, god I need to use strikethroughs more), have you read this before? For the most part I'd say she does a better job of explaining the angle a lot better than I could reiterate for the umpteenth time.

No, and I don't have the time nor the patience to read such a long-ass page. It would be a waste of my time anyway since it won't change what I believe. If IS intended for Ike x Soren to be romantic, I think they would've actually established that with their ending like they do with the other lords' romantic endings. For the other lords, it says that they and the women they got an A support with got married and settled down. Yet, it just says that Soren/Ranulf and Ike journey away from the continent. Nothing more.

I've heard people argue that Ike could've just used a surrogate mother so Priam and Ike x Soren can exist at the same time. Meaning he could've impregnated a random woman and taken her child from her for him and Soren to raise. But he does not come off as that kind of person to me. At all. I think he'd want the child to have both his/her real parents after the shit he went through. And no, I can't see Soren doing such a thing either. He seems like he'd be too afraid of passing his Brand.

Of course, there's the argument about the hug scene in RD, but seriously, people will use anything they can get their hands on to make two close friends look like lovers. It happens ALL THE TIME. It's a rule of thumb that if two characters, regardless of gender, are good friends, people are going to make romantic stuff of them. It's been done with Sain and Kent, Oscar and Kieran, and hell, even Chrom and the Male Avatar and Frederick. If my fic were a game, people would be doing the same with Bryan and Skye because their friendship is similar to Ike and Soren's (kind of based off of it, in fact), yet Bryan still gets with a woman and Skye being with a woman is repeatedly teased at. In short, it means absolutely shit.

I honestly think IS created Priam to stop all the debate about Ike's sexuality and show that he's not gay (not to give people fanservice, because Japan doesn't like Ike. Why would anyone give them fanservice of a character they didn't like?). They just forgot about how stubborn some fans can be and should've just outright said something to truly end it. They didn't even need to say who Ike married, just say that he raised a family with a loving wife. Nothing else was needed.

OR, Ike getting with a woman was their intention to begin with, they just wanted to establish it differently than usual. By letting us imagine who that woman is. They just failed at properly executing it.

But seriously, I don't think Ike showed much interest in either gender. IS might've wanted him to remain single for all we know until the idea of Priam came up.

Edited September 27, 2014 by Anacybele

[Etria]

Amelion, the perfectionist. I expected nothing less XD

On, topic, no I don't care. After all, non-canonicity doesn't prevent me from writing what I want. I don't understand why you need your favourite pairings to be canon. Who gives a fuck?

If IS intended for Ike x Soren to be romantic, I think they would've actually established that with their ending like they do with the other lords' romantic endings. For the other lords, it says that they and the women they got an A support with got married and settled down.

Yeaaaaaaah, because a videogame would just do a canon gay relationship in there. That doesn't sound improbable at all. Games with gay protagonists are still rare, especially in games that don't revolve around romance. And when games have them, they're often still ~controversial~ Many producers just don't want to risk losing the sales of neckbeards and homophobes.

Edited September 27, 2014 by General Asthar

[Anacybele]

This thread isn't just about pairings. It's about any ending, paired or single.

[dondon151]

unless you're a slow reader, or your brain lacks a word salad filter, the time spent typing that post could have been spent reading the linked article.

[Anacybele]

unless you're a slow reader, or your brain lacks a word salad filter, the time spent typing that post could have been spent reading the linked article.

Did you even look at it? It's the longest article I've ever seen. And like I said, it would've been a waste of my time anyway. Oh, and I wouldn't say I'm a fast reader.

Edited September 27, 2014 by Anacybele

[Etria]

This thread isn't just about pairings. It's about any ending, paired or single.

And yet the OP talks about nothing but pairings? And threads like these always end up as "My pairing is better than your pairing" anyway?

Did you even look at it? It's the longest article I've ever seen.

You must not read much then. That's nothing.

Edited September 27, 2014 by General Asthar

[Irysa]

No, and I don't have the time nor the patience to read such a long-ass page. It would be a waste of my time anyway since it won't change what I believe.

Ana the point of reading something like that isn't to change what you believe. It's just to understand the perspective of the other side. I would usually be happy to simply use the post as a reference but out of respect to the immense amount of work Amelion put into it, I won't simply parrot it in a far less robust fashion. A lot of what you bring up is addressed in the article. The purpose of it isn't to show beyond a doubt that "Ike is gay" or that "Ike x Soren is the only pairing" it's to explain that there's a good basis for arguing that Ike's sexuality is not as clear cut as people want it to be.

Edited September 27, 2014 by Irysa

[Anacybele]

And yet the OP talks about nothing but pairings? And threads like these always end up as "My pairing is better than your pairing" anyway?

Pure opinion thread here...are there any pairings you wish would happen but can't, or things that the games say happen to the characters that you don't agree with?

No.

Dragoncat's disliked endings just happen to involve pairings, as do some of mine. But I also said that I disliked some of the regular endings.

The purpose of it isn't to show beyond a doubt that "Ike is gay" or that "Ike x Soren is the only pairing" it's to explain that there's a good basis for arguing that Ike's sexuality is not as clear cut as people want it to be.

Yet stuff like that article is why some people DO say Ike x Soren is canon without a doubt and that Ike is gay. They won't accept that this was never stated to be so and that others don't see their relationship that way. Those fanboys are as bad as the Chrom fangirls that say "Chrom x Female Avatar and nothing else!"

Edited September 27, 2014 by Anacybele

[dondon151]

Did you even look at it? It's the longest article I've ever seen. And like I said, it would've been a waste of my time anyway. Oh, and I wouldn't say I'm a fast reader.

yes? i read the entire thing, and skimmed about half of the footnotes. it takes me much longer to write a post than it does to read a post.

Yet stuff like that article is why some people DO say Ike x Soren is canon without a doubt and that Ike is gay.

if the article tries to make a qualified argument and some subset of readers don't see it that way, that's not the fault of the article. any mildly controversial opinion can be twisted to justify more radical opinions. that doesn't mean that they're the same.

Edited September 27, 2014 by dondon151

[Dragoncat]

That's...not what I did. Renning took the throne in DoD, not Geoffrey.

Whoops. I thought Renning died for some reason. Derp.

And OMG. That Priam theory? Cray cray. If Ike was homosexual, he wouldn't be sleeping with women period....

[Anacybele]

Whoops. I thought Renning died for some reason. Derp.

And OMG. That Priam theory? Cray cray. If Ike was homosexual, he wouldn't be sleeping with women period....

Renning actually survived the shit from PoR, he was just warped by Izuka's feral drink and turned into Bertram. Bastian saved him though, and then Rafiel brought his mind back to normal. Renning recovered from this impressively too, he immediately joins the fight at the end of RD. And can kick some serious arse.

And that's a good point too. A homosexual wouldn't sleep with a woman since they're sexually attracted to men. People also argue things like adoption, but then Priam wouldn't really be Ike's descendant.

I just say that there's one reality where Ike got with Elincia, one where he got with an unknown woman, and another where he got with Soren. xP Awakening has established that there's more than one timeline, so why can't this apply to the other FE worlds?

Edited September 27, 2014 by Anacybele

[Dragoncat]

Too bad they couldn't save Rajaion in time though...heck, Rajaion was galdred by TWO herons and he died, Renning just needed one and he was fine? And looks like he was feralized for longer than Rajaion. Wtf. Maybe it's because staying in animal form takes up more than just being a mindless killing machine with only one form.

Yeah, I suppose that alternate reality thing would work. But there will still be "bawww my opinion is final screw you" people.

[Julius Nepos]

Play Dark Dragon and the Sword of Light and count the number of characters who went to help in rebuilding burnt villages.

[Etria]

They won't accept that this was never stated to be so and that others don't see their relationship that way.

Hmmmm, reminds me of someone who insists that Ike/Elincia is so obviously what was intended.

[Havel the Rock]

You think those are bad?

Wait till you see FE12 endings.

(PS, Ike x Soren for life, I drink Elincia shipper tears)

ftfy

[Topazd]

Play Dark Dragon and the Sword of Light and count the number of characters who went to help in rebuilding burnt villages.

I like that they bothered to distinguish how some "helped rebuild villages" and some "helped rebuild BURNT villages". IS really wanted to showcase how they went the extra mile there with their character development.

Edited September 27, 2014 by Topazd255

[Book Bro]

That was a really good essay about Ike.

Not to fan the flames or anything, but it pretty much discusses every point you've brought up here, Ana.

Anyway, Awakening disappointed me with the Avatar ending with how generic it is. I understand it had to be since it would've taken forever to make a unique ending for each possible spouse, but eh. Kellam's paired ending is also awful. Just off the top of my head.

[X-Naut]

Play Dark Dragon and the Sword of Light and count the number of characters who went to help in rebuilding burnt villages.

Not to mention all of the "disappeared without a trace" endings that showed up in this and the later games.

Edited September 27, 2014 by X-Naut

[eclipse]

I KNOW Canas had to die, but still. . .

Luke's ending was also a bummer, as was Roshea's (we get that the latter has some personal traditions, now what did he DO?!).

[shadowofchaos]

Not to fan the flames or anything, but it pretty much discusses every point you've brought up here, Ana.

Really, the whole thing is an interesting read and provides some good points.

It shows that there is room for interpretation for everything.

...really while I think this is devolving into what I usually expect from threads like this [/hipster], simply refusing to read it stating that "I don't have time to read a long ass article" when you're reading this entire thread and all of its replies is an... excuse.

I mean seriously... to put it bluntly:

"Who the fuck cares who or what Ike fucks?"

Edited September 27, 2014 by shadowofchaos