Elieson Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Fire Emblem 5 Battle: Espinosa vs Ice Sage begins! Unit Stats available here.Espinosa's team (0-49)vs.Ice Sage's team (50-99)(47) Espinosa goes first. Choose your character, his/her weapon and target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Sage Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 oh wow almost the same team lol this should be fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Galzus attack Nanna with the Hero Sword. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted January 19, 2014 Author Share Posted January 19, 2014 How does skill calcs work for units like mareeta and galzus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 (edited) Assume Mareeta attacks somebody (who lacks Awareness) with the Mareeta Sword (brave effect like most of the viable Prf weapons in the meta). With the game's 1 RN system, the RN checks go like this: [attack begins] (check for Continue) (check for Shooting Star Sword) [first individual hit, whether either of the two above skills proc'd or not] (check for Moonlight) (Moonlight guarantees that the hit connects; if no Moonlight, roll one RN to see if one attack connects), then continue doing this for each individual hit. So you check for Continue/Adept and Shooting Star Sword/Astra before the whole attack, but for Moonlight Sword/Luna before each particular hit. For Galzus, you do it w/o the check for Continue. Don't bother checking for crits since all characters should automatically get a scroll negating all non-Wrath crits. Edited January 19, 2014 by Espinosa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted January 21, 2014 Author Share Posted January 21, 2014 (edited) I did run numbers on this, but my notepad got wet and the ink ran. I'm flying home today and will be home and ready to grind this match out in 12 hours. I apologize again for the inconvienence. Can you post a set of RN-Calcs, as in, an order in which they occur? IT seems to me like: [Life] / [Life] {Initiate Attack} [Check for Awareness on opponent] [Check for Ambush on opponent] [Continue] [shooting Star Sword] [base Hit RN] [Moonlight Sword *Forces Base Hit RN to 0 if successful*] [sun Sword] [Charge] [Crit] / [Wrath Crit] [big Shield] --Damage Calculation-- [Prayer *Forces 0 Damage if DMG>Opponent!HP] [Repeat above if weapon has Brave effect] Process Damage [Repeat above if able to double strike via AS +4 over opponent/Pursuit] Process Damage {Initiate Counter Attack} [Wrath] [Check for Awareness on opponent] [Continue] [shooting Star Sword] [base Hit RN] [Moonlight Sword *Forces Base Hit RN to 0 if successful*] [sun Sword] [Charge] [Crit] / [Wrath Crit] [big Shield] --Damage Calculation-- [Prayer *Forces 0 Damage if DMG>Opponent!HP] [Repeat above if weapon has Brave effect] Process Damage [Repeat above if able to double strike via AS +4 over opponent/Pursuit] Process Damage This seems weird, as MS's activation may force a miss to a hit...why does it occur after the Hit RN occurs? Other than that, I'm assuming all else is correct? Edited January 21, 2014 by Elieson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Yeah, that seems right, though we're probably not seeing many of these skills in the present metagame. Charge activates before the battle begins though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted January 21, 2014 Author Share Posted January 21, 2014 (edited) Turn 1: vs Espinosa's Galzus (Hero Sword) attacks Ice Sage's Nanna (Earth Sword). Galzus Nanna DMG-25 DMG-12 HIT-100 HIT-52 (Shooting Star Sword: 12)Galzus activates Shooting Star Sword!(32) Nanna takes 25 damage! (12/37)(6) Nanna takes 25 damage! (0/37) Nanna has been killed.Results: Espinosa Ice Sage Galzus (54/54) Finn (47/47) Mareeta (46/46) Othin (59/59) Delmud (48/48) Nanna (0/37) Finn (47/47) Galzuz (54/54) Othin (59/59) Mareeta (46/46) Edited January 24, 2014 by Elieson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted January 21, 2014 Author Share Posted January 21, 2014 Also, after looking at the order of events and how they flow, can SSS activate, and then have one of its strikes initiate a MS/SS activation? I don't really think that it would, but I want to make sure that these offense skills can/cannot multi-occur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 (edited) Yeah, each separate hit of SSS can activate Moonlight (and when it does, the hit is guaranteed to connect). I find it hard to believe that these displayed hit rates are as high as they are, though. Are you sure you're checking supports for both hit and avo, and Charisma bonuses (including King's Sword) on both sides? Also, the Earth Sword doesn't have a brave effect and I'm pretty sure it targets defence at point-blank range too. Edited January 21, 2014 by Espinosa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Hit should be around 70-80 when everyone has their supports and charismas still up so there's definitely something weird going on there. Right on both counts about the Earth Sword. Has Shooting Star been unbanned on Mareeta? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 When Espinosa hosts, my game with Dio assumes SS Mareeta FYI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icon of Sin Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 When the host changed, I asked him about it because it felt weird that Mareeta couldn't have it since she's the only one to be able to access this event. Considering we typically assume endgame levels for our units, it only seems logical that a player would take a few turns to just have Mareeta get the skill. Besides perhaps with enough interest we'll have a metagame with skill manuals and non-storebought rings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Sage Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 hmm Galzus attacks Delmud with the Hero Sword Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted January 24, 2014 Author Share Posted January 24, 2014 Fix'd Nanna's accuracy, to 93 to 52, and damage from 24 to 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted January 24, 2014 Author Share Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) Turn 2: vs Ice Sage's Galzus (Hero Sword) attacks Espinosa's Delmud (Blaggi Sword). Galzus Delmud DMG-21x2 DMG-19 HIT-84 HIT-61 Galzus attacks!(Shooting Star Sword : (93)) (57) (Moonlight Sword : (68)) Delmud takes 21 damage! (27/48) Galzus's Hero Sword allows for a second strike! (Shooting Star Sword : (21)) (22) (Moonlight Sword : (44)) Delmud takes 21 damage! (6/48) Delmud Counterattacks! (41) Galzus takes 19 damage! (35/54) Results: Espinosa Ice Sage Galzus (54/54) Finn (47/47) Mareeta (46/46) Othin (59/59) Delmud (6/48) Nanna (0/37) Finn (47/47) Galzus (35/54) Othin (59/59) Mareeta (46/46) Edited January 24, 2014 by Elieson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted January 24, 2014 Author Share Posted January 24, 2014 I hate calcs for this game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 You should check for SSS before the whole attack once but for Moonlight before each hit. Otherwise, seems correct. While I still have the Charisma advantage on the field, I will have Galzus attack Ice Sage's Galzus with the Hero Sword! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted January 28, 2014 Author Share Posted January 28, 2014 (edited) Turn 3: vs Espinosa's Galzus (Hero Sword) attacks Ice Sage's Galzus (Hero Sword) . Galzus (E) Galzus (I) DMG-21x2 DMG-21x2 HIT-95 HIT-55 Galzus (E) attacks!(Shooting Star Sword : (77))(40)(Moonlight Sword : (41))Galzus (I) takes 21 damage! (8/54)Galzus's Hero Sword allows for a second strike!(34)(Moonlight Sword : (66))Galzus (I) takes 21 damage! (0/54)Galzus (I) has been killed! Results: Espinosa Ice Sage Galzus (54/54) Finn (47/47) Mareeta (46/46) Othin (59/59) Delmud (6/48) Nanna (0/37) Finn (47/47) Galzus (0/54) Othin (59/59) Mareeta (46/46) *Was this supposed to occur, WRT Shooting Star Sword? It's now Ice Sage's turn. Edited January 28, 2014 by Elieson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Sage Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 (edited) awww hmm mareeta finish delmud! with mareeta's sword Edited January 28, 2014 by Ice Sage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Hoping for a miss + a prayer here. BTW, Moonlight Sword should probably precede the hit because if it procs the attack will connect automatically. Might be one of those cases like Pavise/Great Shield where it doesn't really matter, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted January 28, 2014 Author Share Posted January 28, 2014 Hoping for a miss + a prayer here. BTW, Moonlight Sword should probably precede the hit because if it procs the attack will connect automatically. Might be one of those cases like Pavise/Great Shield where it doesn't really matter, though. And here I was thinking you were the end-all-be-all of knowledge for this game! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 And here I was thinking you were the end-all-be-all of knowledge for this game! What do you mean? If "not missing" is part of Moonlight Sword's description then it can't possibly be the case that you check for it on attacks that are sure to connect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted January 28, 2014 Author Share Posted January 28, 2014 (edited) Turn 4: vs Ice Sage's Mareeta (Mareeta's Sword) attacks Espinosa's Demlud (Blaggi Sword) . Mareeta Delmud DMG-17x2 DMG-Lazy HIT-62 HIT-Dont Care Mareeta activates Awareness! Mareeta attacks!(0)(Moonlight Sword : (50))Delmud takes 6 damage! (0/48)Mareeta's Mareeta's Sword allows for a second strike!(2)(Moonlight Sword : (12))Delmud is now chopped in four evenly sliced pieces!Delmud has been killed! Results: Espinosa Ice Sage Galzus (54/54) Finn (47/47) Mareeta (46/46) Othin (59/59) Delmud (0/48) Nanna (0/37) Finn (47/47) Galzus (0/54) Othin (59/59) Mareeta (46/46) It's now Espinosa's turn. Edited January 28, 2014 by Elieson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted January 28, 2014 Author Share Posted January 28, 2014 (edited) llll Edited January 28, 2014 by Elieson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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