Best unit in manster chapters?

[momogeek2141]

Title.

Leaf is definitely the best combat unit in manster. When he joins, he is the highest level of all of your other units, and he can one round every soldier in manster. In addition, he is likely to be very close or at B swords, allowing him to use items such as the Armorslayer, which he can use to one shot AKs. The second best would be Felgus, who can almost one round soldiers at base, and can one round armors with a rapier crit (90%CoS). Then is Asvel (self explanatory) and Bryton(wrath, but his lack of speed hurts)

[Phantom037]

I'd argue that Brighton is more useful than Felgus until the latter is able to get his hands on a brave sword, and Leaf's usefulness is pretty dependent on how much you used him in chapters 1-3, where he's much lower on the totem pole in terms of usefulness.

[momogeek2141]

Why wouldn't you use him though? Just sent him forward to chip everything and Fin or Othin captures. I'm pretty sure he's also the best choice for the ch 1-3 boosters. Fair point on Felgus vs Bryton.

[Shin]

Probably a good Leaf, but Felgus and Asvel are up there. Bryton's pretty good on EP if you want him to wrath-blick a mob, he just tends to miss a lot.

[Moishe Oofnik]

Why wouldn't you use him though? Just sent him forward to chip everything and Fin or Othin captures. I'm pretty sure he's also the best choice for the ch 1-3 boosters. Fair point on Felgus vs Bryton.

The main arguement should be FelgusXBrighton

Im going to side with brighton for 4 and felgus for the rest of the chapters

A good leif will be the best manster unit because good move 1 movement star 1 leadership and meh bases dont matter when most your units are unmounted,theifs or meh(machua)

Brighton has better performance in 4 (the fact that he starts with items and is your starting unit

OHKOs all generic reinforcements in counter attack and can probably live the most hits out of all your units (leif being 2nd best durabillity wise) his move weakens him so its a point for felgus as he can proc his movestar essentialy but worse enemy phase for more hit isnt much of a great deal but felgus is closer to B

Id rate Chapter 4 combat like this Leif>/=Brighton>Felgus>Machua>theives(combat utility alone we all know lara lacks that and lifis/lara are also busy lockpicking chests) using machua as brightons support bot works well too to improve his hit and evasion

I usually give him speed but in my recent playthroughs safy wants that hp ring more(less fatigue more staves uses) and but I usually give him the shield ring

Now lets look at growths and performances

Leif

HP:70%STR:35%MAG:10%SKL:35%SPD:40%LCK:40%DEF:25%BLD:15%MOV:3% Skill:Continue PCC:2 Leadership:1 MS:1

I always wandered what happened to fins growths from FE4 his 2nd lowest growth(Luck) Became his highest growth tied with speed (3rd lowest growth) but his growth are actually good for thracia 25% isnt even bad once you calculate that the highest def growth is 35% he starts with a really good sword and weapon rank he can chip damage for fin and othin captures as you said at 5/-- with the rings he is as durable as brighton and is close to the armor slayer and flame sword or already able to use them

Brighton

HP:70%STR30%MAG:5%SKL:25%SPD:30%LCK:15%DEF:35%BLD:20%MOV:1% Skill:Wrath PCC:1 Leadership:0 MS:0

Mediocre growths skill problems and bad luck what so good about Bri he has wrath one of the best skills in thracia the highest def growth in the game and his low pcc doesnt matter because of his skills 70% HP is high for thracia and he has very high base build and unlike most unmounted units his sword rank isnt awful its D letting him use the steel sword he is a good canidate for holding the sety scroll and then odo later on basicly the tankiest unit in manster

Felgus

HP:65%STR:35%MAG:10%SKL:45%SPD:35%LCK:40%DEF:25%BLD:20%MOV:1% Skill:Non PCC5 Leadership:0 MS:1

His growths are Leifs growths just exchange 5 hp% and 5 speed% for 10% skill and 5% build great sword rank C and only 20 hits to B and a PCC of 5 his lack of skills doesnt matter as Leifs continue generly doesnt proc much anyway early in game with 35% base crit on counter he is a great unit to use in manster he is mutual support with karin but she has no real utility in manster(she chips I guess) so leif with no room to grow but better potencial thats felgus for you in chapter 4

Edited March 5, 2015 by TTPK_Tal

[JSND Alter Dragon Boner]

Give Leif Shield and Speed ring(and theres like no reason that you shouldn't), and he become the best unit

[Mekkah]

If you trained Leaf to be the best, then he is the best. If not, I am a big fan of getting Fergus to B swords ASAP to give him access to the Fire Sword. Asvel is better than Fergus when he's around (offensively at least) but Fergus is effectively around for 2 more chapters so ehhh

[Moishe Oofnik]

If you trained Leaf to be the best, then he is the best. If not, I am a big fan of getting Fergus to B swords ASAP to give him access to the Fire Sword. Asvel is better than Fergus when he's around (offensively at least) but Fergus is effectively around for 2 more chapters so ehhh

You forgot asvels lack of being able to tank a hit

Felgus becomes better then all units you get in manster once you get out of manster

[momogeek2141]

You forgot asvels lack of being able to tank a hit

Felgus becomes better then all units you get in manster once you get out of manster

Felgus becomes pretty damn good, but the fact that he's better than Asvel is debatable. Asvel doesn't need to tank hits if he dodges everything. Plus, Grafcalibur is a guaranteed second crit, and it's high might means it will almost always kill. For some reason I seem to stop using him towards Lategame though, and Felgus is better during those parts, but Asvel dominates Midgame.

[Moishe Oofnik]

Felgus becomes pretty damn good, but the fact that he's better than Asvel is debatable. Asvel doesn't need to tank hits if he dodges everything. Plus, Grafcalibur is a guaranteed second crit, and it's high might means it will almost always kill. For some reason I seem to stop using him towards Lategame though, and Felgus is better during those parts, but Asvel dominates Midgame.

That arguement was made for sety it was proved that sety cant dodge everything (zwei most units have around 20-30 displayed hit) asvel isnt ther perfect dodgetank and cant reniably dodge everything due to 1 hit min but his preety good at it

Felgus is better outside of manster due to move and PCC im preety sure asvel is just slightly worse

[Refa]

Leaf can't ORKO every soldier, even with all of the statboosters beforehand due to stat variance and Leaf's generally lame bases. Fergus can ORKO soldiers with an 85% success rate at base with Karen nearby. Not suggesting that Fergus is better than Leaf, because I realize that's what the logical conclusion from these statements would be, just some minor corrections. I'd say Asvel is better than Fergus though. Probably Lifis too, although not for his combat.

Karin can kill mages while unmounted and probably do decent damage on Soldiers with a Steel Sword (possibly ORKOing with Fergus nearby). Not spectacular or notable, but she's super helpful in all of the outdoor chapters. Also it's imperative that you start feeding Karin as soon as possible because long term use.

Leaf > Asvel > Lifis > Fergus > Brighton > Lara > Karin > Machua > Nanna > Dashin > Whoever else because I forgot they exist

[Yojinbo]

Leaf with B-Rank Swords is the best because he can use Fire Sword and Armorslayer. Felgus can also reach B-Rank but iirc it's pretty inconvenient to get there if you play for efficiency because you won't be doing that much fighting during Ch.4 where Fire Sword's 1-2 Range, hitting res and +5 Magic makes the biggest difference. Leaf is the only one who really has access to that and in conjuncion with his authority, move and movement star he's pretty much the most consistently reliable units you have in Manster.

After that it's obviously between Felgus, Brighton and Asvel. Wind Magic is probably the best weapon type in FE5 and Grafcalibur is absolutely ridiculous but as far as Manster is concerned Asvel is only in your party during Ch.5 & 6 and he won't get to do a whole lot of battling in the latter chapter. Imo he's your best unit in Ch.5 though. Brighton is probably your second best unit in Ch.4 even though he tends to whiff at bad times. His tankiness is more helpful than Felgus' superior offense though and Felgus needs to pick up a sword first anyway. Not sure about 4x, if Felgus has reached B-Rank Sword by then he can just crithax his way through the armors so he's most likely better than Brighton in 4x. Ch.6 is pretty easy and just a matter of picking up items with Karin and nuking Armors with Asvel/Felgus

Ch.4: Leaf > Brighton > Felgus

Ch.4x: Felgus > Leaf > Brighton

Ch.5: Asvel > Felgus > Leaf > Brighton

Ch.6: Doesn't really mattter

Overall: Leaf > Felgus / Asvel > Brighton

[Refa]

Best weapon type in FE5 is swords because they don't weigh you down and there are like 50,000 swords whereas there are only like, 2 Wind tomes.

[Yojinbo]

Wind hits against resistance at 1-2 range though so it's arguable. Swords are definitely OP though.

[Refa]

Enemy resistance levels tend to fluctuate because of how fucking dumb the stat variation is. Grafcalibur is probably the most useful weapon in the game though.

EDIT Wind magic being effective against fliers is the best though.

Edited March 5, 2015 by Refa

[Moishe Oofnik]

Leaf with B-Rank Swords is the best because he can use Fire Sword and Armorslayer. Felgus can also reach B-Rank but iirc it's pretty inconvenient to get there if you play for efficiency because you won't be doing that much fighting during Ch.4 where Fire Sword's 1-2 Range, hitting res and +5 Magic makes the biggest difference. Leaf is the only one who really has access to that and in conjuncion with his authority, move and movement star he's pretty much the most consistently reliable units you have in Manster.

After that it's obviously between Felgus, Brighton and Asvel. Wind Magic is probably the best weapon type in FE5 and Grafcalibur is absolutely ridiculous but as far as Manster is concerned Asvel is only in your party during Ch.5 & 6 and he won't get to do a whole lot of battling in the latter chapter. Imo he's your best unit in Ch.5 though. Brighton is probably your second best unit in Ch.4 even though he tends to whiff at bad times. His tankiness is more helpful than Felgus' superior offense though and Felgus needs to pick up a sword first anyway. Not sure about 4x, if Felgus has reached B-Rank Sword by then he can just crithax his way through the armors so he's most likely better than Brighton in 4x. Ch.6 is pretty easy and just a matter of picking up items with Karin and nuking Armors with Asvel/Felgus

Ch.4: Leaf > Brighton > Felgus

Ch.4x: Felgus >/ Leaf > Brighton>Asvel(he still exists but he has no turn of actual offencel)

Ch.5: Asvel>/Felgus > Leaf>/ Brighton

Ch.6: Felgus>Asvel>Brighton>Leaf

and thats how it is gonna go for the rest of the game from chapter 7 on out (brighton is an enemy phase destroyer tank basicly) (Asvel has lack of move but again one of the most useful weapons and great speed to help his fail durabillity)

Overall: Leaf >Felgus >Asvel/Brighton

Felgus has 2 chapters of more combat Same goes for brighton where they can level and get levels grafcalibur is one of the not as likely items to get repaired by safys 5 uses because warp puji brave lance and thief competition

Refa you can get like 2 ordinary wind tomes post chapter 14 so useful

Edited March 5, 2015 by TTPK_Tal

[momogeek2141]

Leaf with B-Rank Swords is the best because he can use Fire Sword and Armorslayer. Felgus can also reach B-Rank but iirc it's pretty inconvenient to get there if you play for efficiency because you won't be doing that much fighting during Ch.4 where Fire Sword's 1-2 Range, hitting res and +5 Magic makes the biggest difference. Leaf is the only one who really has access to that and in conjuncion with his authority, move and movement star he's pretty much the most consistently reliable units you have in Manster.

After that it's obviously between Felgus, Brighton and Asvel. Wind Magic is probably the best weapon type in FE5 and Grafcalibur is absolutely ridiculous but as far as Manster is concerned Asvel is only in your party during Ch.5 & 6 and he won't get to do a whole lot of battling in the latter chapter. Imo he's your best unit in Ch.5 though. Brighton is probably your second best unit in Ch.4 even though he tends to whiff at bad times. His tankiness is more helpful than Felgus' superior offense though and Felgus needs to pick up a sword first anyway. Not sure about 4x, if Felgus has reached B-Rank Sword by then he can just crithax his way through the armors so he's most likely better than Brighton in 4x. Ch.6 is pretty easy and just a matter of picking up items with Karin and nuking Armors with Asvel/Felgus

Ch.4: Leaf > Brighton > Felgus

Ch.4x: Felgus > Leaf > Brighton

Ch.5: Asvel > Felgus > Leaf > Brighton

Ch.6: Doesn't really mattter

Overall: Leaf > Felgus / Asvel > Brighton

Actually for 4x Leaf likely has B swords as well, meaning that both he and Felgus are pretty much equal. For ch 6, Felgus>Karin>Bryton/Nanna>Leaf,

[Moishe Oofnik]

Actually for 4x Leaf likely has B swords as well, meaning that both he and Felgus are pretty much equal. For ch 6, Felgus>Karin>Bryton/Nanna>Leaf,

we are talking about combat not utility 2 utility characters dont really count as combat characters (those sexy 25%-30% subpar and mediocre strength growths yay)

Edited March 5, 2015 by TTPK_Tal

[General Horace]

karin's probably the most useful unit in chapter 6 for ease of access at the villages, but that's a pretty moot point. She might not even have a weapon.

Asvel's better than Fergus once you get out of manster, his speed growth takes off and he's your best bosskiller forever.

There's really nothing special about overkilling mooks, although he's still definately useful with the brave sword in chapter 5.

Wind magic would probably be better than swords if it like, existed. There's just so rare.

Edited March 5, 2015 by General Horace

[Moishe Oofnik]

karin's probably the most useful unit in chapter 6 for ease of access at the villages, but that's a pretty moot point. She might not even have a weapon.

Asvel's better than Fergus once you get out of manster, his speed growth takes off and he's your best bosskiller forever.

There's really nothing special about overkilling mooks, although he's still definately useful with the brave sword in chapter 5.

Wind magic would probably be better than swords if it like, existed. There's just so rare.

lol wot

Pros Over asvel:

Felgus endgame>Asvel endgame

20 skill with karin near makes him a better boss killer then asvel of course

blaggi sword access

Beo sword access

More move

can tank his

More kills until fatigue

durabillity

not relying on dodge tanking

Cons:

Worse Midgame boss killer utility

Speed is shit compared to asvel

Worst support pool

wind would be better then swords if you didnt get like 2 tomes

Edited March 5, 2015 by TTPK_Tal

[momogeek2141]

You forget that Asvel has a guaranteed crit with Graf anyways, so PCC of 5 doesn't matter. Not to mention that he strikes resistance, whereas Felgus has to punch his way through an absurd 10 DEF. Giving the blaggi sword is nearly pointless because there is no guarantee that Felgus will be deployed with Leaf for Eins/Reidrick. How does his support with Karen give him better bosskilling? You could argue that Asvels support with Leaf does the same, and Leaf sticks near the throne anyways. If Felgus can't double, he can't take advantage of his 5 PCC, whereas Asvel can because he can double. Felgus's move is shit indoors.

Edited March 5, 2015 by momogeek2141

[General Horace]

lol wot

Pros Over asvel:

Felgus endgame>Asvel endgame

20 skill with karin near makes him a better boss killer then asvel of course

blaggi sword access

Beo sword access

More move

can tank his

More kills until fatigue

durabillity

not relying on dodge tanking

Cons:

Worse Midgame boss killer utility

Speed is shit compared to asvel

wind would be better then swords if you didnt get like 2 tomes

in what way is Fergus better in endgame

he's worse indoors in almost every way, Grafcalibur is better than the Beo Sword, 1-2 range trumps ambush and wrath is totally pointless on Fergus

This requires him to have Karin near him and sorry Asvel is still a better bosskiller. He's going to double, and has a 40 crit weapon that hits resistance and he also has continue.

You have "durability, can tank hits and not relying on dodge tanking" as three separate ways of saying the same thing. Dodgetanking is very reliable when the enemies have extremely poor hit (seriously Thracia's enemies are a joke) and Asvel caps speed ridiculously fast.

[Yojinbo]

Asvel also gets D-Staff upon promoting in Ch.7 which is only one level away from gaining access to Sleep, M Up, Rest and Recover Staffs. He can easily reach B-Rank to use Rescue in chapters where its useful [19, 21x] too.

[Moishe Oofnik]

in what way is Fergus better in endgame

he's worse indoors in almost every way, Grafcalibur is better than the Beo Sword, 1-2 range trumps ambush and wrath is totally pointless on Fergus

This requires him to have Karin near him and sorry Asvel is still a better bosskiller. He's going to double, and has a 40 crit weapon that hits resistance and he also has continue.

You have "durability, can tank hits and not relying on dodge tanking" as three separate ways of saying the same thing. Dodgetanking is very reliable when the enemies have extremely poor hit (seriously Thracia's enemies are a joke) and Asvel caps speed ridiculously fast.

by endgame I refer to chapters 22-25

chapter 22 bosses all hit res (good luck hurting cyas and reid with asvel and not getting raped in return +19 leadership of all bosses combined) and you are going to warp skip anyway

chapter 23 alfan is a magic unit but he isnt very remarkable anyway but felgus overall rapes him more with the beo sword and blaggi sword access starts

chapter 24 only thing asvel has over him is one move and felgus OHKOs reydick anyway with blaggi sword access

Chapter 24x No boss he is better at killing mooks anyway

Chapter 25 Tina magic up used Thief staff to remove stone all the deadlords are weak to blaggi sword felgus+zwei and canis are the only somewhat strong deadlords and he has no hard time killing mus for dealing with the leadership star and asvel has worse performance then sety I guess and 1 more move that 1 more move changes everything asvel may be staffbotting anyway

so yea staffbot asvel isnt combat asvel right

Asvel also gets D-Staff upon promoting in Ch.7 which is only one level away from gaining access to Sleep, M Up, Rest and Recover Staffs. He can easily reach B-Rank to use Rescue in chapters where its useful [19, 21x] too.

only 50 heals away asvel and then you got restore

Edited March 5, 2015 by TTPK_Tal

[Refa]

Man, it's hard enough getting Nanna staff rank, let alone Asvel. Heal/Mend (...does FE5 even have Mend, fuckdammit I forgot, I don't think it does) are generally good enough though. Still, you have to have at least C staves to be considered a competent and useful staffer.