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[Nightmare]

Actually, he mentions the staff and boasts about Begnion's magical research in the very same cutscene.

[VincentASM]

I'm sort of glad somebody bumped this thread. I remembered something a while ago, but ultimately forgot to mention it.

I haven't read the whole scenario yet, but it seems the blood pact works slightly differently in the Japanese version. At the end of Part 4 Endgame 1, even after Lekain is killed and Naesala retrieves Kilvas's blood pact, the curse still isn't completely removed.

Micaiah
King Pelleas! This is it!

Pelleas
The blood pact!

Sothe
I pried this from Lekain's dead fingers. But there's two of them... Isn't this one Daein's?

Pelleas
This is it... But the other one...

Naesala
Oh! That one is mine!

Sothe
King Naesala.

Pelleas
...Kilvas as well?

Naesala
Yeah, that's right. With this... Kilvas and Daein are finally free. Congratulations.

Pelleas
What? Please tell me... how can I revoke the blood pact?

Naesala
You can do what you want with it... Burn it, rip it, whatever takes your fancy. Since Lekain died once, the proof of the pact had already weakened right? Once the blood pact is destroyed, the markings should disappear at the same time.

Pelleas
Thank you, I am eternally in your debt.

Sothe
What are you going to do from now on?

Naesala
Eh?

Sothe
From what you just said, your proof is still...

Naesala
Oh, my situation is a little different. Lekain's death won't have any effect. Still, so long as I possess the blood pact... I'm sure one day we'll be saved.

Sothe
Huh?

Naesala
Anyway, the job is only halfway done. The goddess is still ahead.

The part about Lekain having died once, I believe refers to his petrification at the very beginning of Part 4. At least that's what I remember from translating parts of the game during the game's Japanese release.

I also noticed the ending of Part 3 Chapter 13 is slightly different. It seems to focus more on Micaiah and Sothe's relationship.

Daein Soldier
The inner gate has been breached! It's only a matter of time before they break through the inner walls.

Micaiah
Gather the soldiers into the inner wall! I'll head there straight away!

Daein Soldier
Understood!

Sothe
The Apostle's Army led by Commander Ike sure is something... We couldn't even manage to hold the castle...

Micaiah
We tried our best though.

Sothe
...

Micaiah
How strange. It sure is quiet right now...

Sothe
Micaiah...

Micaiah
Yune, come over here.

(Yune flies to Micaiah's shoulder)

Micaiah
Daein is going to fall... It will disappear under the heavy weight of another country... That is how this country ends.

Micaiah
Yet, even so... [King Pelleas was our only sacrifice and] it's better than the blood pact snatching lives slowly one by one. Battle after battle... 'til we're outside death's doorstep, we've been able to experience life's sensation... Although we ought to apologise for dragging the Apostle's Army with us.

Sothe
In the end... It's their fault for allowing the senate to do as they pleased. As we clashed blades, it was nice to think this war was their punishment.

Micaiah
Sothe, you...

Micaiah
Yune, you may go.

(Yune flies away)

Micaiah
Thank you... for accompanying me up to now.

Sothe
What's it doing? It just left without looking back. In the past, when you tried to make it go away it would always return to your side.

Micaiah
It's a clever child... It knows what I meant.

Sothe
But, isn't that just a little heartless?

Micaiah
I have Sothe, that's already enough...

Sothe
...Yeah. It is enough.

Micaiah
Then... Let us depart.

[BrightBow]

But that aside, I also like the holding back explanation better. It makes more sense if he saw that Ike wasn't at his best yet and took it easy on him so that he might grow stronger one day.

Well, I for my part don't like this version much since I see a few problems with it:
For once, you can't just allow yourself to be beaten in a sword fight against a man who wants to kill you. If the Black Knight would have allowed Ike to defeat him he would have died, unless he would warp away before that happens. But the BK said that the sole reason he let Ike beat him was that he (Ike) would survive the encounter. If the BK had a way to escape then he wouldn't have to fight Ike at all and risk dieing in the process.
Also the Black Knight admitted in Part 1 to Sothe that Ike did indeed defeat him "in a fashion". And I can see how defeating the BK's spirit in a armor would count as defeating him "in a fashion" but with the "I let you win" version? Not so much, from my perspective.
And last: If the Black Knight was indeed in his armor when the castle collapsed, then he would have died or at last he would have gotten injured that badly, that he wouldn't have gotten himself out of the way, before Bastian's man would have found him.

Of course, the Japanese version has it's own share of problems but my intend was to point out my problem with this version of the script rather then making a actual comparison between those 2.

Edited by BrightBow-User, 06 July 2010 - 03:55 PM.

[xanatha]

I'm sort of glad somebody bumped this thread. I remembered something a while ago, but ultimately forgot to mention it.

I haven't read the whole scenario yet, but it seems the blood pact works slightly differently in the Japanese version. At the end of Part 4 Endgame 1, even after Lekain is killed and Naesala retrieves Kilvas's blood pact, the curse still isn't completely removed.


The part about Lekain having died once, I believe refers to his petrification at the very beginning of Part 4. At least that's what I remember from translating parts of the game during the game's Japanese release.

Wow! I've never heard that version before! Thank you for bringing it to attention!

But I'm confused... why won't it work for Naesala? Except for what you said, could it be that he changed employer from Lekian to Sanaki?

[Paper Jam]

I'm pretty sure it wasn't Naesala who signed Kilvas' blood pact; it was the previous king of Kilvas, and Naesala just inherited the pact when the previous king died (just as Micaiah inherits Pelleas' pact if Pelleas dies).

At least, that king in the picture as Lekain told Pelleas about Kilvas' blood pact didn't look much like Naesala...

[xanatha]

I'm pretty sure it wasn't Naesala who signed Kilvas' blood pact; it was the previous king of Kilvas, and Naesala just inherited the pact when the previous king died (just as Micaiah inherits Pelleas' pact if Pelleas dies).

At least, that king in the picture as Lekain told Pelleas about Kilvas' blood pact didn't look much like Naesala...

I think you're right about the signer of the pact, but is that a reason for why the mark shouldn't disappear from Naesala's wrist? Just because he wasn't the one who signed it in the first place?