Soul's FE7 character rating topic.

[Life]

1 for HHM. No exception. He forces us to fight Lloyd early, gives us a FoW map, has shitty stats on top of 5 Move and isn't even guaranteed to survive long enough to be recruited. Wallace sucks pure ass.

[Integrity]

Wallace does not survive HHM if you don't promote him in LHM. I've never seen it done. Kitty swears she's done it but I don't really believe her.

EDIT: She did it on Eliwood's route, where he spawns much further south.

Wallace also prevents one from getting Geitz directly.

Edited June 30, 2010 by Integrity

[Junkhead]

I did include that in my review you know. The Sniper in HHM is totally not like the one in EM, I think he even survives unpromoted against it.

I went with what Life gave me, he is pretty awful.

I'm also fixing the first post due to link limitations or possible broken links.

As of now, I'll take nominations from others suggesting me who to rate.

[Integrity]

Canas.

<3

[Junkhead]

Canas

Say Canas, that monocle of yours is overrated, that, along with your potential. Yeah, we'll see how you do...

Canas is the third mage you get, he is your only Dark magic user before Athos.

I guess Canas is pretty good, average when compared to Lucius, and not as helpful as Erk if we look back to his Knight smashing in the past chapters. As you can imagine, since he uses Dark, Canas hits pretty hard, but he won't be doubling much enemies at all. He will be doubling Knights, SteelBow!Archers, SteelLance!Peggies and other enemies that get weighted down by heavy weaoins. I think that's actually an up when the only one onerounding those Knights is Hector with Wolf Beil, Marcus and Erk with an Energy Drop (Which is most likely to go to Florina, BTW). Onerounding peggies is assured as long as he doubles them, even Erk will fail to do that with their existent Res. LolArchers.

Canas' has pretty good durability for a mage. I could even say it's comparable to Eliwood's, so you can be a little more relaxed and not worry if a 2-range enemy slips in and attacks him.

I think Canas is a pretty good choice for the Guiding Ring, defeneatly better than Erk & Lucius. He has a level lead over the other two, so it's reasonable to be giving it to him.

At promotion, he gains an amazing +4 AS as well as other good bonuses. So as soon as he gets to double, he'll get to 1RKO most of the time.

During Ch 29, there are going to be tons of Anima users, most of them being Valkeries with very high Res, this is where Luna comes best in handy, especially with that critical boost and WTA.

So before promotion, he's loosing AS from every Dark tome, but he's sticking with Flux all the time, so it isn't a problem.

His supports suck, nothing to see here.

7

[Integrity]

mmm

Nothing to say here, looks fine to me.

I'm not sure if Canas is actually overrated by anybody but me but whatever.

I nominate Isadora.

Edited July 14, 2010 by Integrity

[Life]

Lucius likes the Guiding Ring for a slightly different reason than Canas, aside from promotion. Lucius wants C Staves (Barrier spamming to B for Physic is very possible) while Canas wants to gain 1+ Con and 3+ Spd that promotion gives him. Canas doesn't necessarily want the Guiding Ring more than Lucius.

[Junkhead]

I'm not sure if Canas is actually overrated by anybody but me but whatever.

People usually overrate his Luna performance.

Lucius likes the Guiding Ring for a slightly different reason than Canas, aside from promotion. Lucius wants C Staves (Barrier spamming to B for Physic is very possible) while Canas wants to gain 1+ Con and 3+ Spd that promotion gives him. Canas doesn't necessarily want the Guiding Ring more than Lucius.

Right. I usually overrate fighting potential, but even then Lucius is better.

I wanted to avoid being told his staff rank is overrated. ¬¬

[Junkhead]

Isadora

Our last Paladin and our first female Paladin.

I don't know what was IS thinking when giving her 6 Con. Seriously??? The base for Cavaliers is 9 Con. So you know what that means, anything heavier than 6 Wt weighs her down, and she actually wants heavier weapons, because those will boost her mediocre Atk.

Her durability isn't very good either. She joins with 28 HP/8 Def and bearing 70%/20% growths on those. Her HP grows great, yeah. The problem is her base is sort of low, but I don't see why she shouldn't be entitled with the Angelic Robe she comes with.

The brightside to all this, she is a Paladin. High Mov. And WTC.

Her Atk is pretty mediocre, but that was comparing her to midgame enemies. She joins pretty damn well, as she is your second promoted unit. Isadora's bases aren't bad at all, she comes with pretty great Spd, which kinda makes up to her low Con. Not to mention her Avo is decent. By the time she joins and for a while, she might want to be using either Swords or Lances, Swords for Exp sucking and to leave some enemies alive for others to kill, she's missing on 1RKO'ing Cavaliers and Knights anyway. With Lances, you could have her join the other Cavs and hold off enemies by killing them.

Isa's supports are pretty great, and not to mention she supports great units as well.

Her best supports would be with Marcus, Lowen & Harken, and all of them excluding Marcus give Atk/Critical. And lots of it.

So once she gains enough AS she can start using axes passed midgame, add up the fact she has great supports and is a mounted unit, which means she has alot of field to cover and get her up pretty quick. WTC & Mounted utility is just great, even if she is the worst of her class.

7

Edited October 31, 2010 by Soul

[Parrhesia]

Isadora's not a bad unit by any- well, she's not a bad unit but I see no reason to give her an eight. THat's more than Erk, fer christ's sake.

[-Cynthia-]

8 does seem awfully high. She's sort of similar statwise to Florina, but Florina flies and has better Res. Not seeing how axes (which all weigh Isadora down pretty badly) puts her a full point up over Florina.

[Junkhead]

I did mention that despite her mediocre bases, she joins at a chapter where your units aren't yet promoted. And Lances have her 1RKO a bunch of enemies for a while.

7-7.5 seems alright?

[-Cynthia-]

By 22H we have at least one of most promo items (2 Hero's Crests), so we can have a pretty much promoted team by then if we want.

[Junkhead]

That just doesn't seem to be a good reason on why to lower her score.

She is pretty useful.

[Integrity]

8's high for Isadorable.

First point to consider, her supports. You specifically mentioned them, so I'll return by specifically mentioning them. Mounted units and supports don't tend to work very well on account of - and especially when they're pre-promotes - they tend to wander off and do their own thing. Take Marcus, for instance. 15+3 req 80 means Isadorable has to end turns next to Marcus 22 times from the point of her recruitment. However, take Isadora's position. As a pre-promote Paladin with passing-but-not-exceptional stats, she's either phasing out or being phased out by Marcus. You're almost definitely not reliably fielding them both ever. Lowen, whose support is two turns slower, is a moderately likely candidate - except that's 24 turns over the next call it 15 chapters. If we're deliberately positioning for it and still getting Tactics, they might see a B by endgame. Might. They'll probably see a C. A B DarkXFire gets them each one point of ATK and ten each HIT, CRIT, EVADE - a good bonus, but this isn't showing up until the endgame most likely. Harken's support is good and fast, yes, but you have to - or rather I find you have to - handicap yourself in order to allow him to even appear instead of Karel, and even then he and Isadora have a movement differential and fewer than 10 chapters (granted, one of which is Battle Preparations for five free turns) to build on it. So her supports, while certainly above par for Blazing Sword, aren't particularly great.

Then you have the issue of her growth. WTC doesn't cut it when you have WTC in the possession of Sain/Kent/Lowen, Marcus, and to a lesser extent Oswin - especially when you admit that she can't really stomach axes for the first half of her availability. So she doesn't really have WTC until ...well, your favored lower Cavalier has WTC. While her growths in certain stats may be good - and her Evade is passing - her durability is still, in a word, shit. Kent unpromoted can be sitting at around her durability at that point, so why would you eat her Angelic Robe there when Florina or somebody else would be ever-so-happy to have it, especially when Isadora's highest growth is her HP anyway?

The point is, even by your post, Isadora is a just better than mediocre unit who joins a little too late and adequately fills a niche you've already likely poured training into filling. Plus, this isn't FE9 where MOAR PALADINS IS BESTEST. They're better than several classes, but being a Paladin != incredibility in the GBA FEs.

I'm wrapping this up because it's really late and I'm losing my train of thought.

Seven.

Edited July 16, 2010 by Integrity

[Junkhead]

Lol

First point to consider, her supports. You specifically mentioned them, so I'll return by specifically mentioning them. Mounted units and supports don't tend to work very well on account of - and especially when they're pre-promotes - they tend to wander off and do their own thing.

That isn't a problem for her when two of her best options are mounted.

It isn't too hard to get her to support Harken either, because as you said, their support is fast.

Isadora just isn't the type to wonder off alone for a few levels, and a Cavalier wall is just perfect.

Then you have the issue of her growth. WTC doesn't cut it when you have WTC in the possession of Sain/Kent/Lowen, Marcus, and to a lesser extent Oswin - especially when you admit that she can't really stomach axes for the first half of her availability.

WTC isn't limited to her because others have it, it's limited to her for the possibility of not fielding her.

Again, it isn't a big deal for her to not be carrying axes when she's doing pretty well with a lance. She's facing lots and lots of unpromoted enemies. And she actually can 1RKO enemies that aren't Knights, Mercenaries & Myrmidons with axes, because the rest aren't fast enough. WTC helps her durability.

Kent unpromoted can be sitting at around her durability at that point, so why would you eat her Angelic Robe there when Florina or somebody else would be ever-so-happy to have it, especially when Isadora's highest growth is her HP anyway?

I thought it was mentioned earlier, that LHM's Angelic Robe goes to Florina. Lyndis & maybe Nils/Ninian are other good choices. But it's not like she's in big trouble, especially when in a Cavalier wall, which benefits her for supports.So, depending on how much time is assumed to be taken per chapters, she might not get high support levels.

You should see the Hawkeye vs Isadora debate, there's where you can see that even though her support levels are average and viable, she does pretty great up to lategame.

What made me reconsider to lower her score was avaibility. Being .5 under Kent & Sain was just "no...just no".

[Parrhesia]

You should see the Hawkeye vs Isadora debate, there's where you can see that even though her support levels are average and viable, she does pretty great up to lategame.

Despite taking up Isadora's side in that debate, I freely admit now that Isa's durability is pretty damn bad. If you'd've given some stats of your own, non-level-inflated, Hawkeye would crush Isadora.

But apart from my own status as a bullshit artist, seven's probably the best score.

[Junkhead]

Despite taking up Isadora's side in that debate, I freely admit now that Isa's durability is pretty damn bad. If you'd've given some stats of your own, non-level-inflated, Hawkeye would crush Isadora.

But apart from my own status as a bullshit artist, seven's probably the best score.

What else is there to expect from a n00b debator like me? D8

Isa had usefulness over the guy I previously overlooked.

[Integrity]

*ahem*

Yeah, I see the holes in my own thought train now anyway. Note to self: don't debate late, wait til morning.

Either way, and 8 is still high for Isadora. I maintain, my shitty arguments aside, that she's a solid 7. Still worth using, outclassed by her class but not terribly, someone you pull out if the chapter allows more units than you know you really want.

Has anybody mandated the next one yet? Legault.

EDIT: I actually read the entire Hawkeye v. Isadora debate some time back and remember being on the Hawkeye side of things. Was that you two?

Edited July 16, 2010 by Integrity

[Junkhead]

Dude...I already lowered her. ._.

And yeah, that was me and Furetchen. I was debating Hawkeye and he was on Isa's side.

Edited July 17, 2010 by The leaving song II

[Parrhesia]

I mostly bullshat my way through Isa's serious issues.

[Junkhead]

You actually had a good point defending her durability issues when I stated them. I even when I tested them myself, lol.

Legault

Legault joins at Ch 20 as your second Thief.

What else can I say? He has pretty good durability, both, concrete and evasive, so you can depend on him a little more than Matthew and not have him die on you often. His combat is decent. He looses 1 AS to a Steel Sword, which means he'll double just about everything with passable attack. He has solid bases. He's beating Matthew all-around aside Spd.

He steals many items as an enemy, so he just saves you some time. Having two Thieves is great.

So we all know his utility is lower than Matthew's due to avaibility. Matthew steals good items before Legault joins anyway.

Legault has a big level lead over Matthew. That's a good thing, that means he's better candidate to get the Fell Contract. He might make a decent a Assassin if you're willing to spend a critical-based weapon on him, like a Killing Edge. (This applies to every Assassin =P)

And just forget about his supports. Half of his options join late and take forever to raise.

8.5

Edited July 17, 2010 by The leaving song II

[Integrity]

Dude...I already lowered her. ._.

So you did.

No complaints with Legault, but what can you say? He's better than Matthew and arrives much later.

...

Lowen, since I get to mandate the entire process apparently.

[riariadne]

Rebecca after him plz.

Also, I personally think Matthew HHM should be a 9.5 because stealing the Silver Card really is that awesome.

[Junkhead]

Lowen

Alright, so here we have our first HHM Cavalier units. Being mounted obviously affords him high Mov, but that alone just isn't enough- We have his pretty good durability with a stunning 90%/40% HP/Def growths, which makes him your fourth most durable characters.

You might as well want to stick him next to Marcus earlygame, he has trouble getting kills of his own, and may be in trouble after a while seeing as enemies come in bigger ammouts. His offense isn't bad, but it will start lacking as the chapters go by.

So as most of you might know by now, Lowen has a strange growth spread.

Bearing 30% growths on Str, Skill AND Spd is pretty bad, and then we have his above average 30% Res growth, which is the best of the Cavvies and only truly beaten by Marcus'. Fortunately for him, he has decent bases, which my keep him alright for a while without relying on statboosters. He really wouldn't mind a Speedwings, as it would help him actually get to double.

Then there's his unusual 10 Con, which allows him to use a Steel Sword right off the bat with no AS loss. That's quite good considering his average Str and the few earlygame axe users.

Lowen will make a pretty good mounted tank once he promotes, so that lets him wonder off by himself often without relying on being healed.

Lowen's supports are good too. He gets to support Marcus himself, which is most likely since they have similiar Mov. And also Eliwood, which would give him the Atk boost he really wants to keep him up. Of course, the problem with supporting Eliwood being his high Mov- But he has time to do that seeing as they have the same avaiblity, and Lowen is likely to be left away from Marcus as he tears most of the enemies earlygame for a faster clearing.

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