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[Liquid Snake]

He didn't argue his own character, he pointed out something I forgot about that was important enough for a move.

[-Cynthia-]

Cess shouldn't really be on the list seeing as he hasn't fought any enemies yet.

Not seeing how Kelas is so low. She has better defenses than Eric and can avoid counters sometimes, with only slightly worse offense. Sometimes she rescues people with her horse.

[69']

Dont know how Chase is higher then Kelas

[-Cynthia-]

He hits harder than she does, but given her defensive boosts+ horse not seeing a tier gap.

[Liquid Snake]

Crimson weapon, great offense due to adept, good evade.
Kelas moved up btw. Just under Chase. What's her defenses btw?

Edited by Lightning, 09 June 2010 - 03:35 PM.

[-Cynthia-]

12/2/1 for Kelas as opposed to 9/1/1 for Chase.

[Liquid Snake]

Since they're both bow users that's simplified to, uh 12/2/0 and 9/0/0. That's a big lead in concrete durability, but compare their evasions (speed/luck format): Kelas's 3/1 (5 evade) to Chase's 4/2 (7 evade). It may not seem like much, but think about this one key factor: Chase cannot be hit at all by any enemy with 0 skill. No chance. Zip. Zero. Nada. Not even worth rolling for. Also, compare offense: Chase's 3/4 atk 4 AS and adept to Kelas's 2 atk 3 AS. That's a huge lead, certainly bigger than Kelas's defensive lead.

(also lol at Chase' defenses being 911)

[Liquid Snake]

Okay, now that we've got different statsheets, tier list is revamped a bit.

[69']

You cant move your own character up.

[Liquid Snake]

Let me point out one thing quickly: 9 avoid.

Chase is now untouchable by everything with 2 or less skill. He could be in high tier. His durability is nearly comparable to Damian because of that alone.

And there was nobody specifically arguing against Chase moving.

Edited by Lightning, 10 June 2010 - 01:20 PM.

[69']

Enemies with under 2 hit.
I highly doubt that will happen

[Liquid Snake]

2 hit as in 2 skill. It happens most of the time.

[69']

If that is the case then Chase should be balanced out to 2 STR

Archers have a Spd cap of 4.

Also, Avo is 1 per Spd point + 0.5* Lck.

So yeah, you pretty much have to revert back to your old stats.

lolol

Edited by Kai-Sama, 10 June 2010 - 01:26 PM.

[69']

Chase to high
Esphyr down

[Psych]

Pary should be top tier? Staff users go!

I think Cess should be at the very least under Iso, and Dani and Kelas need to switch places.

Reika should be higher. Not many enemies can touch her with her avoid.

[Liquid Snake]

No.

Maybe and Yes.

No because she's fought against us. That counts as negative utility.

[Ether]

Tier lists don't take difficulty of recruitment into account,Rein.Atleast,not anymore,of the ones I've seen.

[Psych]

@Lightning

Explain how Tessa and Charlotte are top-top tier.

Cool.

I don't think the list should count that. She has insane avoid, even if her damage might be a bit of a sore spot. That'll move Chase down later....

[69']

LMAO Tier
Kamilla
Mark

Top tier:
Tessa
Reika
Chase

High tier:
Morgan
Damian
Arrin
Helios
Viveka


Mid tier:
Kelas
Isotov
Cess
Aiya
Charlette
Derek
Eric


Low tier:
Irina
Esphyr

Updated!

Edited by Kai, 17 July 2010 - 12:52 PM.

[Psych]

Kai, All your ideas today are just bad.