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[Don Draper]

A bump but a well deserved bump.

First off, I am of the opinion that RI was rigged for Rob to win. I think he was allowed to look at the Survivor's psych reports. I think there was a cameraman who's job was to tell him if he was in trouble. I think under the table agreements to Ashley, Natalie and Grant were made (like $500 grand each) so that they'd follow his every lead.

Its a federal offense to rig a game show. The Federal Communications Commission would have opened an inquiry on the show.

Plus, its not like Natalie outright said "Give Rob the money". She just did an awful job of explaining why she deserved to get that far, and did thank Rob for getting her there. I think her argument boiled down to her overcoming a lot having never camped before or anything and being "the youngest Survivor winner ever". Yes, I know...

Edited by Jogurt, 28 June 2011 - 08:14 AM.

[Janissary]

Going to a survivor casting call today... wish me luck. And yeah, RI kinda sucked.

[The Thief's Assassin]

That season was ugly to watch. I heard from Tangerine that Natalie's jury speech was basically "Rob played better than me, give him the money". I nearly puked at the thought of that.

From now on, I'm going to pretend that this season never existed.

Can't forget Russel crying when he lost the duel this season was a strange one

[Don Draper]

Going to a survivor casting call today... wish me luck. And yeah, RI kinda sucked.

Seriously? That's awesome, congrats!

[Hamlet]

All it was was "let's give Rob the money" for the whole jury, essentially.

[Tricky Dick]

All it was was "let's give Rob the money" for the whole jury, essentially.

That's the joke name of the season. To me, Season 22 was when Survivor officially jumped the shark.

Next season is the same format and I think Coach vs. Ozzy is confirmed. Coach didn't show up to the 180 Film premiere (considering that it's HIS movie) but I don't know where we got Ozzy from. In any case, we know that Coach is back which is... well, I hope I don't get tired of him.

EDIT: In addition, if someone wants to be added to the Previously On... Survivor! group that I'm in (where I got in contact with Yau-Man), PM me with your Facebook name. I'll have you added to the group right away. It's where we seriously (and not so seriously) discuss Survivor. Or you could join Survivor Sucks which has been around for 11 years now.

And I have more of the Yau-Man conversation if anyone wants to read it. Basically, had Dreamz not reneged on the deal, Yau-Man would have been the first incarnation of Natalie Bolton.

DOUBLE EDIT: Basically, we're just trashing Sugar right now in POS. One of my favourite past-times in Survivor history. I hate that bitch.

Edited by Kitty Admiral, 28 June 2011 - 10:56 AM.

[Hamlet]

Oh Sugar. Why she was on HVV is beyond me. Jeff's reasoning in the intro was "she wanted good people to win". WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT MEAN I DON'T EVEN.

[Tricky Dick]

Oh Sugar. Why she was on HVV is beyond me. Jeff's reasoning in the intro was "she wanted good people to win". WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT MEAN I DON'T EVEN.

Sugar's not even a Hero. She's a villain. Oh she hides behind her pearly white teeth but she's cold, ruthless and FUCKING INSANE. And she was an obnoxious bitch. All you have to do is watch the Randy boot episode. You'll realize that Randy being a dick was calculated and Sugar's much more evil than he could ever be. Just watch it.

[Janissary]

Sugar should go die. It makes us all fat. amirite?

Yeah, she's stupid. I didn't like her season at all.

[Tricky Dick]

Sugar should go die. It makes us all fat. amirite?

Yeah, she's stupid. I didn't like her season at all.

That's the thing. Without Sugar, Gabon would have been fantastic. Onions, Kenny, Crystal, Matty, Bob and what I consider the second biggest robbing of a rightful winner (Susie). Only Fairplay got shafted harder.

EDIT: Jan, I can get you in touch with Yau-Man if you want. I have connections.

Edited by Kitty Admiral, 28 June 2011 - 11:12 AM.

[Hamlet]

Sugar's not even a Hero. She's a villain. Oh she hides behind her pearly white teeth but she's cold, ruthless and FUCKING INSANE. And she was an obnoxious bitch. All you have to do is watch the Randy boot episode. You'll realize that Randy being a dick was calculated and Sugar's much more evil than he could ever be. Just watch it.

No, I'm well aware. I've seen that episode a few times. Now when I think of that episode, though, I think of this:



On a more serious note, I also disliked Sugar. I didn't see any gameplay from her whatsoever, and most of her getting far was luck. Gabon in general irritated me, I remember wanting to stab Ken and Crystal for making it so far, GC was a pussy, and Marcus went home too early.

[Tricky Dick]

Marcus turned into a bit of a douche in his boot episode. He deserved the boot for trying to take out Kenny and pitching that idea to Crystal. And Crystal/Kenny were amazing.

We should have everyone here rank the seasons from best to worst. And post reasons for each.

[Janissary]

That's the thing. Without Sugar, Gabon would have been fantastic. Onions, Kenny, Crystal, Matty, Bob and what I consider the second biggest robbing of a rightful winner (Susie). Only Fairplay got shafted harder.

EDIT: Jan, I can get you in touch with Yau-Man if you want. I have connections.

I'll let you know how the casting call goes first I get to wait in line for >1minute on film to be awesome and catch someone's eye. But Rupert will be there! I hope I get to meet him.

[Tricky Dick]

I'll let you know how the casting call goes first I get to wait in line for >1minute on film to be awesome and catch someone's eye. But Rupert will be there! I hope I get to meet him.

Eww. Rupert. Fuck him.

No seriously, fuck him. You have no idea how happy I was when Fairplay blindsided him in PI.

Ask him how well Burton did at fishing in PI. If he says that Burton was shit, he's lying.

EDIT: Useful links for the Survivor junkie.

Funny 115 Version 1 (Season 1-11)
Funny 115 Version 2 (Season 12-20) - Currently at #29
Mario's Writing Archives (Includes both F115s, Mario's Experiences Essay up to Chapter 34, Survivor Hawaii and other stuff)
RTVZone.com's Round Table Discussion on Survivor: Redemption Island - Hosted by "Evel" Dick Donato, winner of Big Brother 8

Check those out, especially the Experiences With Survivor Essay and RTVZone.com. Those are both great.

DOUBLE EDIT: Jan, if you have a positive casting call (just be yourself and be interesting), I'll introduce you to Mario who will teach you how to rape Survivor. Seriously. He'll turn you into Brian Heidik if you want to win. Would you count as recruited or did you apply though?

Edited by Kitty Admiral, 28 June 2011 - 11:31 AM.

[Janissary]

Eww. Rupert. Fuck him.

No seriously, fuck him. You have no idea how happy I was when Fairplay blindsided him in PI.

Ask him how well Burton did at fishing in PI. If he says that Burton was shit, he's lying.

EDIT: Useful links for the Survivor junkie.

Funny 115 Version 1 (Season 1-11)
Funny 115 Version 2 (Season 12-20) - Currently at #29
Mario's Writing Archives (Includes both F115s, Mario's Experiences Essay up to Chapter 34, Survivor Hawaii and other stuff)
RTVZone.com's Round Table Discussion on Survivor: Redemption Island - Hosted by "Evel" Dick Donato, winner of Big Brother 8

Check those out, especially the Experiences With Survivor Essay and RTVZone.com. Those are both great.

DOUBLE EDIT: Jan, if you have a positive casting call (just be yourself and be interesting), I'll introduce you to Mario who will teach you how to rape Survivor. Seriously. He'll turn you into Brian Heidik if you want to win. Would you count as recruited or did you apply though?

I'd be applying, I think. I have a lot of survivor plans going on already... that's what I get for having a healthy interest in Psychology, which is all this game really is.

[Tricky Dick]

I'd be applying, I think. I have a lot of survivor plans going on already... that's what I get for having a healthy interest in Psychology, which is all this game really is.

You might want to scrap those plans.

Yau-Man Chan
One example is that every season all viewers with strategic views think that we all want first boots to be weaker people to keep the tribe strong. But in reality that is the farthest thing in our minds. We barely know each other at the first couple of TC so how would we know whose good for the tribe? All we care is "anyone but me!" So the first boots are totally random and usually people we don't like - by whatever criteria - talks too much, complains too much, not friendly smile, etc etc , all of which have nothing to do with strategy. Now, after the fact when you talk to the players after seeing how it's edited, they will all try to confirm you bias that "Oh yes, we booted her out to make the tribe stronger!" In every case that I know, it's baloney because at that point of the game, no one is thinking that deeply and if you did, you'll probably be too neurotic to be selected on the show - ie you wouldn't have passed the psy test!!!

Yau-Man Chan
Basically the bottom line is don't take this too seriously and certainly don't try to analyses any of the moves - they are all meaningless except for "any one but me." Bob Rob's season was all set up from the get go. The only way to look at this show is to just enjoy the antics and make fun of it like Mario. After all, Survivor is the game invented by Nobel Laureate John Nash with his game theory for "Games with UnCooperative Players." ie games where there is no rules and we all play by our own rules! But in the short time we are together, how would we figure out what the other guy's rules are that he's playing with? So, in the end, it all random - chance wins! Look at the winners - look at Jeff Probst - after 10 years being the host, had he one single time predicted the winner? (except for the Boston Rob season) And he even has access to all psychology profile tests of all the contestants!

Good luck and play smart but be on your toes all the time. Remember, it's all a social game.

[Hamlet]

We should have everyone here rank the seasons from best to worst. And post reasons for each.

I'm in.

1) Borneo
To this day I will say that the first season of Survivor is my favorite, and also the best. Not only did it spawn the birth of the series, but it also spawned the series' best and most deserving winner. Richard Hatch was the smartest winner, he knew how to manipulate people, and he played the game the best, in my opinion.
2) Outback
The second season followed up the first in a very stellar way. Similarly, it proved that nice guys don't always (but sometimes do) finish last. Jerri Manthey also set the tone for the Black Widow/Femme Fatale archetype that would influence so many.
3) Micronesia
Everything about this season was amazing. Parvati single-handedly reviving the Black Widow archetype, Amanda's Oscar-worthy performance, Natalie convincing Erik to give her the necklace, this season probably had some of Survivor's smartest (and dumbest) moments. It birthed Parvati as one of the smartest people to have played the game, and set her up for an almost immediate run in HVV. My one concern was that I predicted a "Favorite" would win from the outset, and I was right. I didn't expect the "Fans" to get as far as they did in some cases, but to see three in the top six, I applaud them.
4) All-Stars
Call me a sucker but this season holds a special place in my heart, gogo Romber~
Rob and Amber aside this was a good season that was a healthy mix of people from seasons past. The one thing I hated about this was the mentality of voting out past winners, because I think otherwise Richard Hatch would have gone a bit farther. Otherwise I did enjoy this season a lot.
5) Pearl Islands
Not too much I have to say about this season, it certainly had a dynamic cast. The "Outcasts" thing was a bit of bullshit, but it did give us more of Burton Roberts, which I did enjoy because he was entertaining. Lillian irritated me a lot, I'm surprised she managed to scrape by with one vote. Not saying Sandra was super-deserving, but she deserved it more. And Johnny Fairplay, in a nutshell, was certainly entertaining and devious. He was very disappointing in Micronesia, I was expecting more. that was a lot
6) Africa
Minus Lex's psychopathic rages, this was an interesting season, in my eyes. Not much else to say on the matter.
7) China
Ugh, Denise. Ugh, Leslie. Ugh, Jean-Robert. Besides the point, once again this was a fairly interesting season. I'm not a fan of the "final three" but this was by far my favorite season with a final three.
8) Tocantins
J.T. <3
Well I did really enjoy when J.T. and Stephen tried to dig each others' graves in the finale, but J.T. was probably one of the best winners. He was strong both physically and mentally, and he really knew how to play all aspects of the game well.
9) Amazon
It was a good season in my eyes, not much else to really say on the matter.
10) Vanuatu
Oh, Eliza's jury speech. Another "not much to say" season, but it was good. It was in All-Stars' shadow which was tough but it pulled through.
11) Exile Island
THE HIDDEN IMMUNITY IDOL, WHY.
I will say this now, so I don't have to say it again I probably will anyway when I hit Samoa/HVV.
I. HATE. THE. HIDDEN. IMMUNITY. IDOL.
HATE HATE HATED IT. And I hated how everyone I hated always seemed to get it. That being said this was the first season with the "official" HII, and it was one of the best ones save for the three I mentioned above.
12) Guatemala
Before HVV, Jeff Probst ranked his favorites and put this one near the bottom, with the likes of Fiji and Thailand. I don't really understand why. It wasn't the best by far, but there were many many seasons that were worse. There were some very annoying people on the cast, but I liked the idea of bringing Stephenie and Bobby Jon back, and they did it right. Of course, I doubt that Stephenie's actions in this season made Jeffy boy class her as a "hero" but I digress.
13) Paulau
Hell, I felt bad for Ulong. I really did. They were a hot mess from start to finish, and they went through hell and back. Of course, the whole "hey Jonathan and Wanda you two didn't get picked so you're getting voted off now kthxbye" was dumb as hell. Oh, well.
14) Cook Island
Putting the whole "race seperation" thing aside, this wasn't a horrible season. The early offs were irritating but everyone beyond that certainly wasn't a horrible person. minus jonathan
This season is only low because of the final three and how Yul just annoyed me all day long.
15) Gabon
SUGAR. GC. GILLIAN. KEN. CRYSTAL. SUSIE. UGHHHHHHHHH.
16) Marquesas
Despite introducing Boston Rob this season was forgettable and a half.
17) Samoa
RUSSELL HANTZ GO DIE IN A HOLE AND NEVER COME BACK EVER.
18) Thailand
The only things I enjoyed about this season were the opening and voting musics, Helen's jury speech, and "bye-bye Denver Diva".
19) Heroes vs. Villians
This season was WRONG, WRONG, AND WRONG. For all of the WRONG reasons. Only Parvati really made this season worthwile. Everyone else just failed.
20) Fiji
Let's throw the world's worst personalities into a setting where some will have everything and others will have nothing! Then let's throw in people who call thesmelves "Rocky", "Dreamz", and "Boo" and make it hectic! Yeah! Great television, no?

Not ranking the most recent two because I didn't see enough of them.

Edited by Ptolemy, 28 June 2011 - 01:37 PM.

[frat_tastic]

I used to love survivor, and then kind of fell out of it for a while (never saw Pearl Islands, and just picked it back up with RI). I got back into it watching RI because a friend of mine is still really into survivor, and I remembered how much I love the show, so I've been purchasing seasons of it on I-tunes. I've since RI, I've watched Cook Islands, Fiji and Gabon. Any recommendations on which one to pick up next? I plan on watching all the ones I've missed eventually, but I trust you guys know which ones are good.

And it appears I'm the only one who liked Sugar. Please tell me no one here likes Corinne from Gabon. I can say with all seriousness that I wish she would have died somehow during filming.

[Tricky Dick]

My turn. Reasoning will come at a later time.

1) Amazon
2) Pearl Islands
3) Africa
4) Thailand
5) Fiji - These last two are not a joke.
6) Vanuatu
7) Australia
8) Exile Island
9) Borneo
10) Gabon
11) Heroes vs. Villains
12) Tocantins
13) Palau
14) China
15) Cook Islands
16) Guatemala
17) Nicaragua
18) Samoa
19) Marquesas
20) Fans vs. Favourites
21) ASS
22) Let's Give The Money To Rob

I also enjoyed Corrine and Randy. Mostly because I hated Sugar with a fucking passion and I personally think that Corrine's comments were MORE than called for. Gabon was filled with a shitload of venom and a lot of that came from Sugar existing in the first place.

Go watch Amazon or Pearl Islands.

Edited by Kitty Admiral, 28 June 2011 - 04:21 PM.

[Janissary]

Perfection Tier
Borneo
Amazon

Watch All the Time Tier
Pearl Islands
Thailand
Cook Islands

Middle of the Road
Fiji
Australia

Meh Tier
Exile Island
Palau
Cook Islands

Bottom Tier
ASS

Let's Give The Money To Rob Tier
Redemption Island

Edited my picks of the ones I have seen every episode. I've seen some stuff from pretty much everything, but I can't judge without the compilation.