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[Aran613]

Yeah, I mean Geese. I totally messed that up.

Doesn't matter if you can use two weapons when you're infact stuck to a weapon every turn unless you waste another unit to trade and get another weapon equipped. Besides, Berserkers are usually faster than the warriors, have an actual crit rate, and end up killing more than warriors. They basically can kill wyverns easily with their axes.

Also, Ross requires more effort than Garcia and Dozla.

It all ends up if you wanna do the ruins/tower or not.

If you want to, you probably won't want to use Dozla, considering he'd probably die on the first floor of the ruins anyways.

With Ross, you can see what your team lacks, then go from there. If you see that you need only power, go with berserker, but if you forgot to train Niemi, it's useful to have another bow user ready there so go with warrior. The only thing I don't see is Hero Ross because it seems that throughout the game you have enough swords, and the strength cap is far too low for Ross to get any strong hits with.

Edited by Aran613, 04 January 2012 - 07:57 PM.

[Aquaman]

+2 speed on promotion.
And 25 strength is enough for ingame.
And Ross isn't that good anyways.

Hawkeye and Gonzo are the only Berserkers that don't suck, and don't need babying.

Lot, Dorcas, fe6 Barte, and Gietz are good warriors, capable of doing quite a bit.

Dart, Geese, Garcia, and Ross are kinda mediocre.
Lol Ward
Garret is filler, and has only C axes.
Lol Dozla and his 9 speed base

[Levant Fortner]

+2 speed on promotion.
And 25 strength is enough for ingame.
And Ross isn't that good anyways.

Hawkeye and Gonzo are the only Berserkers that don't suck, and don't need babying.

Lot, Dorcas, fe6 Barte, and Gietz are good warriors, capable of doing quite a bit.

Dart, Geese, Garcia, and Ross are kinda mediocre.
Lol Ward
Garret is filler, and has only C axes.
Lol Dozla and his 9 speed base

Correction: Hawkeye's the only non-sucky berserker. Because Gonzales can't hit the broad side of a barn. And I hate hate hate hate hate hate hate HATE missing.

Edited by Metal King Slime, 05 January 2012 - 03:39 PM.

[Anouleth]

Correction: Hawkeye's the only non-sucky berserker. Because Gonzales can't hit the broad side of a barn. And I hate hate hate hate hate hate hate HATE missing.

At level 20/4, Gonzales with a Killer Axe has 2 more hit than base Hawkeye. Therefore, Hawkeye can't hit the broad side of a barn either.

[Levant Fortner]

At level 20/4, Gonzales with a Killer Axe has 2 more hit than base Hawkeye. Therefore, Hawkeye can't hit the broad side of a barn either.

I'm not seeing what you're trying to say since Gonzo's in a game where, oh, I dunno, enemies ACTUALLY CAN DODGE, as opposed to Hawkeye. And that's not even getting into the better accuracy of FE7 weapons... Or maybe I'm missing the point.

Edited by Metal King Slime, 05 January 2012 - 09:02 PM.

[Aquaman]

I'm not seeing what you're trying to say since Gonzo's in a game where, oh, I dunno, enemies ACTUALLY CAN DODGE, as opposed to Hawkeye. And that's not even getting into the better accuracy of FE7 weapons... Or maybe I'm missing the point.

20/1 Gonzo wrecks shit in 1 hit
as long as it's not a sword user.

Hawkeye tanks, and has speedwings/braves to back him up
Has well as that Silver Axe in HNM/HHM

[Levant Fortner]

20/1 Gonzo wrecks shit in 1 hit
as long as it's not a sword user.

Hawkeye tanks, and has speedwings/braves to back him up
Has well as that Silver Axe in HNM/HHM

Having all the power in the world won't help you any if you can't hit. And in my book, Gonzales just has no redeeming qualities.

[Anouleth]

I'm not seeing what you're trying to say since Gonzo's in a game where, oh, I dunno, enemies ACTUALLY CAN DODGE, as opposed to Hawkeye. And that's not even getting into the better accuracy of FE7 weapons... Or maybe I'm missing the point.

Killer Axes, which are what Gonzales is going to use most of the time, have 65 hit, which is the same as FE7 Killer Axes.

In addition, it's not really Gonzo's fault that the enemies in his game are dodgier, and that's something that everyone in FE6 has to deal with. The point is that in a vacuum, Gonzales is more accurate than Hawkeye. If you're going to say that Gonzales is significantly less accurate than Hawkeye, then are you saying that every character in FE6 is significantlyless accurate than their FE7 peers?

Moreover, I didn't even mention Gonzales' fairly fast Lilina support, which can provide a small hit boost.

Having all the power in the world won't help you any if you can't hit. And in my book, Gonzales just has no redeeming qualities.

So sky-high HP/STR/SPD aren't redeeming qualities? I mean, it's one thing to say that it's not worth dealing with his low hit rates even if he has all that, but you're implying that having that really good STR/SPD isn't a good quality whatsoever.

Edited by Anouleth, 05 January 2012 - 09:13 PM.

[Levant Fortner]

Killer Axes, which are what Gonzales is going to use most of the time, have 65 hit, which is the same as FE7 Killer Axes.

In addition, it's not really Gonzo's fault that the enemies in his game are dodgier, and that's something that everyone in FE6 has to deal with. The point is that in a vacuum, Gonzales is more accurate than Hawkeye. If you're going to say that Gonzales is significantly less accurate than Hawkeye, then are you saying that every character in FE6 is significantlyless accurate than their FE7 peers?

Moreover, I didn't even mention Gonzales' fairly fast Lilina support, which can provide a small hit boost.


So sky-high HP/STR/SPD aren't redeeming qualities? I mean, it's one thing to say that it's not worth dealing with his low hit rates even if he has all that, but you're implying that having that really good STR/SPD isn't a good quality whatsoever.

Okay...

As for Gonzales's Lilina support, I find it questionable in value, personally. And I'd say the hit boost is practically negligible until A rank.


I just think it isn't enough to make up for Gonzales's godawful Hit (Of course, you might think differently, but it's enough for me to despise him. Him being ugly doesn't help his case any).

Edited by Metal King Slime, 05 January 2012 - 09:23 PM.

[Rehab]

To be sure, FE7 Bartre has as much potential as anyone long-term. His speed and skill (bases) are difficult to excuse in hard mode, and I'd never call him efficient, but he 1RKOs with the best of them later in casual play.
/uses Bartre whenever doing a random runthrough to read supports

Edited by Rehab, 06 January 2012 - 08:16 AM.

[HF Makalov Fanboy Kai]

though isn't Ross faster then Dolza and Garcia?

i mean Speed and Luck are the only growths he beats his father in.

[Aversa]

Everyone and their grandmother is faster than Dozla.

And even he can double things.

Edited by Darros, 05 January 2012 - 10:10 PM.

[Furetchen]

Why are you using Warriors anyways?

Because people sometimes do crazy things like actually picking classes and characters they like?

[deranger]

Okay...

As for Gonzales's Lilina support, I find it questionable in value, personally. And I'd say the hit boost is practically negligible until A rank.


I just think it isn't enough to make up for Gonzales's godawful Hit (Of course, you might think differently, but it's enough for me to despise him. Him being ugly doesn't help his case any).

First off, Gonzo has HHM bonuses. Second, I find 27x2 at 56% hit, to be more effective than 15x1 with 90% hit. Which is just my personal experiences with them.

[Levant Fortner]

First off, Gonzo has HHM bonuses. Second, I find 27x2 at 56% hit, to be more effective than 15x1 with 90% hit. Which is just my personal experiences with them.

Which does next to nothing to raise my low opinion of him becuase I'd rather not take any risks with his hit rate that's doomed to suck for eternity, espcially in situations where I NEED to hit. He (Gonzales) may have good HP, Str and Speed, but the low Skill ruins all that, as I see it, especially since I consider accuracy far more of a problem in FE6 than in FE7.

Edited by Metal King Slime, 05 January 2012 - 11:00 PM.

[HF Makalov Fanboy Kai]

Which does next to nothing to raise my low opinion of him becuase I'd rather not take any risks with his hit rate that's doomed to suck for eternity, espcially in situations where I NEED to hit. He (Gonzales) may have good HP, Str and Speed, but the low Skill ruins all that, as I see it, especially since I consider accuracy far more of a problem in FE6 than in FE7.

you do know that in FE6 critical hit is calcuated before hit rate right?

30% critical hit from beserker class, 30% or so plus from killer axes= 60 critcal hit normally, which is around an 60% chance to deal an one hit kill in every battle he's in.

if i was debating on Gonzales's "uselessness" then i'd focus on his low magic defense then his hit rate.

[deranger]

Which does next to nothing to raise my low opinion of him becuase I'd rather not take any risks with his hit rate that's doomed to suck for eternity, espcially in situations where I NEED to hit. He (Gonzales) may have good HP, Str and Speed, but the low Skill ruins all that, as I see it, especially since I consider accuracy far more of a problem in FE6 than in FE7.

So don't use him in a situation where you need a hit? Lead with him. Also, skill books.

Edited by deranger, 05 January 2012 - 11:11 PM.

[Levant Fortner]

you do know that in FE6 critical hit is calcuated before hit rate right?

30% critical hit from beserker class, 30% or so plus from killer axes= 60 critcal hit normally, which is around an 60% chance to deal an one hit kill in every battle he's in.

if i was debating on Gonzales's "uselessness" then i'd focus on his low magic defense then his hit rate.

Tch.... People still believe that? That's nonsense.

Edited by Metal King Slime, 05 January 2012 - 11:12 PM.

[HF Makalov Fanboy Kai]

my point is your complaining about the one thing about Gonzales that can be easly fixed.

skill books for example, help him greatly.

he has pretty great survival vs most if not all non magic users, so even fi he does miss, he's not in any real danger of dying(unless the as formentioned magic users)

Skill is not his issue, its magic defense

i'm 99% sure most of this blind hate comes from that he's ugly on the outside.

Edited by HF Makalov Fanboy Kai, 05 January 2012 - 11:15 PM.

[Levant Fortner]

my point is your complaining about the one thing about Gonzales that can be easly fixed.

skill books for example, help him greatly.

he has pretty great survival vs most if not all non magic users, so even fi he does miss, he's not in any real danger of dying(unless the as formentioned magic users)

Skill is not his issue, its magic defense

i'm 99% sure most of this blind hate comes from that he's ugly on the outside.

You DO realize that almost every physical unit in FE6 has terrible magic defense, right? So I'm not seeing that as much of an argument.

Edited by Metal King Slime, 05 January 2012 - 11:21 PM.