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[Florina Stark]

Oh yeah...Forgot about Nolan and the Tahsk or whatever that crossbow is called. That can get pretty scary. All the peg/seraph knights go down plus the hawks and maybe even Tibarn.

I was kind of thinking, and I realized this wouldn't work unless Tauroneo (or someone) acts as your lord, seeing on how Micaiah leaves halfway through the chapter. Also the ending would make no sense. Mist passinh out and then the chapter ending makes no sense from the DB side.

Pelleas could probably act as the Lord. As for Mist, yeah it kinda does. All the GMs wouldnt die outright anyway. They would just retreat like in the other chapter. The end of the chapter would have to be tweaked anyway. Probably Rafiel passing out instead while saying something cryptic about the medallion.

[NTNP]

Honestly this would have been an amazing idea if IS had done it right however I do think that if the DB was to be usable at that point that providing them a little extra support would have been required. Having say... one or two ballista, Kurthnaga, Ena and Pelleas being around would help even the battlefield a little along with maybe changing the layout a little bit to provide the DBers a number of chockpoints that could be used to wall off the northern part of the map so only one or two enemies could be fought at a time. But if that was done, the DB probably could have used an extra chapter (maybe 'defend' the bridge before the GM's version of the map) along with more items (silvers being forgable, extra 10,000 gold etc) to help out the DB. You have to admit, if the DB had access to silver forges and enough gold right before that chapter for all your usable units to get them then the DB would have a chance.

Oh and I'm supporting the DB on this one. It would have been a lot of fun.

[Cysx]

I was kind of thinking, and I realized this wouldn't work unless Tauroneo (or someone) acts as your lord, seeing on how Micaiah leaves halfway through the chapter. Also the ending would make no sense. Mist passinh out and then the chapter ending makes no sense from the DB side.

Yes, having someone take her place(or have three lords from the start)when she and Sothe leave is probably the best solution.
And about the ending... After thinking for a while, I ended up with something like, having some generic soldier tell Tauroneo that Micaiah is nowhere to be found. He immediatly orders some troops to look for her. Maybe have him think to himself how the battle is far from being over... Or Pelleas version(but then 2nd playthrough only), where he goes to search for her by himself, and thus no more lord.
Then end of the chapter, transition with a scene where Micaiah's running in the woods with that voice calling for her, and Sothe's trying to catch up...(this might seem pointless, but if the chapter ends like "where is Micaiah?", it'd be best to show what she's up to right after)

Then, let's see... Maybe another scene where you'd see Rafiel collapse, and Nailah run into Tibarn with Reyson on his back while trying to bring him to a safe place. They both agree to take the herons to their sister. And the scene with the medaillon can start right as they get in, the beginning being skipped in this scenario. Hector mode like.

My, I am overthinking things again.

Given that I only have 3 units that I can use, I'm sure they would.

That's a bit harsh on the DB. Having only three good units doesn't mean that some of the others cannot do some chip damage to help. And don't forget about Rafiel. Plus, there's little chance you'd actually chose the DB chapter if you didn't train them properly, I guess.

Edited by Cysx, 15 November 2011 - 04:54 PM.

[NinjaMonkey]

That's a bit harsh on the DB. Having only three good units doesn't mean that some of the others cannot do some chip damage to help. Plus, there's little chance you'd actually chose the DB chapter if you didn't train them properly, I guess.

I seriously doubt that anyone would choose the DB, especially as they start Part 3 extremely under-levelled...

And don't forget about Rafiel.

I assure you, I didn't...

Edited by NinjaMonkey, 16 November 2011 - 11:29 AM.

[whase]

I seriously doubt that anyone would choose the DB, especially as they start Part 3 extremely under-levelled...

wrong, unless you mean hard mode only. my DB's are usually 3rd tier half way 3-6, sometimes starting 3-12.

[Progenitus]

If you can beat 3-6 and 3-13, you can beat a DB version of 3-E (as long as Skrimir and Tibarn and GMs don't move).

[HF Makalov Fanboy Kai]

i won't try to defend the DB too much, but they really aren't god awful as people might say they are...When trained, which isn't too hard to do, most of the group sans Meg and Fiona(less you REALLY put time into them) can be pretty good, even Leonardo can be useful with his Plus 5 speed bow/crossbows.

sure they aren't as "good" as the GM, but thats mostly due to an level difference then actully sucking like Wendy/Sophia.

[Quintessence]

I seriously doubt that anyone would choose the DB, especially as they start Part 3 extremely under-levelled...

If DB start part 3 by lv. 20/1, if you use 2-3 units besides Micaiah and Sothe, they will get to lv. 6-8. So when you finish 3-12, those 2-3 units should be by lv. 14-17 and can easily be crowned or BEXP'd to get to 3rd tier by 3-13. So by 3-E they should be by lv. 3-5, and 3-E won't be such a pain.

Besides, if 3-12 and 3-13 were beaten, then 3-E won't be such a problem.

[HF Makalov Fanboy Kai]

granted i can beat the DB parts without restarting by using...4 or 6 people besides micaiah and sothe and still be fine...not sure what the issue is with everyone esle...

[SlayerX]

If DB start part 3 by lv. 20/1, if you use 2-3 units besides Micaiah and Sothe, they will get to lv. 6-8. So when you finish 3-12, those 2-3 units should be by lv. 14-17 and can easily be crowned or BEXP'd to get to 3rd tier by 3-13. So by 3-E they should be by lv. 3-5, and 3-E won't be such a pain.

Besides, if 3-12 and 3-13 were beaten, then 3-E won't be such a problem.

with 2-3 units, i think 20/1 is a bit... low.

[HF Makalov Fanboy Kai]

when you play with 4-6 units its possible to get them to around level(besides micaiah and sothe) its pretty likely to get all of them close to promotion so you can use the BEXP to get them promoted.
though with 2-3 units you should have around 20/3-5 or so.

[Kngt_Of_Titania]

I seriously doubt that anyone would choose the DB, especially as they start Part 3 extremely under-levelled...

Heh, some people would do it just for the challenge. Trust me.

[Soul]

I forgot about her... *Wonders if a Nailah solo would be possible*

Of course it's possible. How is that not obvious? Not even the 3rd tier GMs would pose a threat.

[NinjaMonkey]

Of course it's possible. How is that not obvious? Not even the 3rd tier GMs would pose a threat.

I doubt that she could kill a 3rd tier Gatrie in one hit (without Savage). And if he activates Luna...

[Soul]

I doubt that she could kill a 3rd tier Gatrie in one hit (without Savage). And if he activates Luna...

Gatrie can't kill her without activating Luna, either. You might as well just give her Nolan's Nihil and call it a day.

[NinjaMonkey]

Gatrie can't kill her without activating Luna

I already said that, so there's no need for you to repeat it.

Edited by NinjaMonkey, 18 November 2011 - 05:03 PM.

[Soul]

Why did you take it out of context like that?

[NinjaMonkey]

Why are you repeating things that have already been said (especially when it doesn't need repeating)?

Edited by NinjaMonkey, 18 November 2011 - 06:13 PM.

[Soul]

But I didn't. By removing the ",either", you made it seem as if that was the whole point of the post.

[HF Makalov Fanboy Kai]

taking an discussion about an alternative endgame to childish "i did not" "you did too" fights.

you boys make me proud of our fanbase.

on topic, i figure the map would have Crimea on the front lines while The Griel Mercenary's in back(due to level differences) and the Hawk and Beast tribes stay in their respective areas not moving less anything gets into range.

if its overkill then we could limit the GM's to Soren, Oscar, Boyd, Rolf, Rhys, and Mist. and limit Crimea to Kieran, Makalov, Astrid, Cali, Marcia, and Devdan(or whatever he is)

Edited by HF Makalov Fanboy Kai, 18 November 2011 - 09:23 PM.