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[Paper Jam]

I've been looking over what Yahn said about Idoun, specifically how he and the other dragons guarding the temple had captured one of the Divine Dragons and turned her into the Dark Dragon.

Granted, we don't know much about Aenir other than the fact that "some bad men" had captured her... but it got me to thinking; Yahn was certainly a bad man, and Nergal would have seen him as such.

For Aenir to have become Idoun, of course, she must have been a Divine Dragon... but who says that she wasn't?

[Acacia Sgt]

For Aenir to have become Idoun, of course, she must have been a Divine Dragon... but who says that she wasn't?

Ninian and Nils. They're half Ice Dragons, therefore Aenir is an Ice Dragon as well. So no.

Edited by Acacia Sgt, 28 November 2011 - 08:28 PM.

[Hero of the Golden Land]

The problem with this theory though is that Ninian and Nils are Ice Dragon halflings. And as such, they can't transform into other dragon types like a Divine Dragon can, nor take on the abilities and physical traits of other people like Xane can. This whole thing just reeks of Wild Mass Guessing if you ask me.

Edited by Little Al, 28 November 2011 - 08:44 PM.

[Paper Jam]

Maybe. Ena was red, and her grandfather was white (and her child is some combination of red, white, and black), so I thought that the fact that Nils and Ninian were ice dragons wouldn't dictate much about their mother.

The problem with this theory though is that Ninian and Nils are Ice Dragon halflings. And as such, they can't transform into other dragon types like a Divine Dragon can, nor take on the abilities and physical traits like Xane can.

I'm not talking about Nils and Ninian, though; I'm talking about Aenir and Idoun. And if a Divine Dragon could turn into other Dragon types, she could possibly give birth to offspring of other Dragon types.

Edited by Paper Jam, 28 November 2011 - 08:39 PM.

[Acacia Sgt]

Maybe. Ena was red, and her grandfather was white (and her child is some combination of red, white, and black), so I thought that the fact that Nils and Ninian were ice dragons wouldn't dictate much about their mother.

I'm not talking about Nils and Ninian, though; I'm talking about Aenir and Idoun. And if a Divine Dragon could turn into other Dragon types, she could possibly give birth to offspring of other Dragon types.

Then again, Tellius dragons work differently than Elibe dragons, especially considering they are Laguz, not actual Manaketes.

Except going from Divine to Dark meat having her heart/soul corrupted and stuff. That's hardly a normal change. So highly likely it's not possible for other change combinations. In fact, only Divines can be corrupted into Darks.

Edited by Acacia Sgt, 28 November 2011 - 08:47 PM.

[Darros]

In fact, only Divines can be corrupted into Darks.

Medeus was an Earth dragon who got dcorrupted to Dark, if you're talking serieswide.

But by Elibe, does this mean that all Dark Dragons were once Divine?

[Hero of the Golden Land]

Except going from Divine to Dark meat having her heart/soul corrupted and stuff. That's hardly a normal change. So highly likely it's not possible for other change combinations. In fact, only Divines can be corrupted into Darks.

But it's a different type of Dark than what you see Medeus transform into, as well as how you see Loptous as though.

Edited by Little Al, 28 November 2011 - 08:55 PM.

[Acacia Sgt]

Medeus was an Earth dragon who got dcorrupted to Dark, if you're talking serieswide.

But by Elibe, does this mean that all Dark Dragons were once Divine?

But it's a different type of Dark that you see Medeus transform into, as well as how you see Loptous as though.

Well, of course. Akaneia/Jugdral canon is different from Elibe canon, as so far there is no evidence they take place in the same world.

Well, from what is stated, it is mentioned you can corrupt Divine Dragons into Drak Dragons. Whether the latter can exist naturally or not is another subject I don't think there is evidence of.

Edited by Acacia Sgt, 28 November 2011 - 08:52 PM.

[Hero of the Golden Land]

I also forgot to mention Yahn in the FE7 epilogue refers to Idun as a Demon Dragon.

[shadowofchaos]

Well, there's no evidence to the contrary...

But then again... it sounds a little... out there.

[Charlie]

http://img.photobuck...Site/FE7/60.png

That's supposed to be Nergal and his wife. Note how her appearance if very similar to Ninian's dragon form. It seems more likely that she was an ice dragon. :\

[shadowofchaos]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v139/VincentASM/Site/FE7/60.png

That's supposed to be Nergal and his wife. Note how her appearance if very similar to Ninian's dragon form. It seems more likely that she was an ice dragon. :\

And if a Divine Dragon could turn into other Dragon types, she could possibly give birth to offspring of other Dragon types.

That's the basis of his theory.

But like I said, it feels... a little out there. What particular reason would she have for turning into an Ice Dragon if she was a Divine Dragon? Not only that, could she turn into the Dark Dragon straight from an Ice Dragon form?

Also.



I don't see it.

[Charlie]

That's the basis of his theory.

I'm well aware of that, but it doesn't change anything. If Nergal's wife was supposed to be a divine dragon, it would make more sense for IS to give her a design similar to Fa's, not one that looks exactly like Ninian's ice dragon form.

[Aethereal]

No offense meant, but this kinda seems like grasping at straws. I mean, I guess there's no way I can prove the idea wrong, but I feel it would be more strongly implied if that was the idea.

[Acacia Sgt]

Thing is, it is never shown or implied that they can change what kind of dragon they are. The case of Divine to Dark is a special case, and strictly to Elibe canon. While the whole using the stones of other dragons is strictly Akaneian canon. And neither case show that they can change their type, with again Medeus's Earth to Dark is another special case, as he was brought back to life after all.

Edited by Acacia Sgt, 28 November 2011 - 11:06 PM.

[shadowofchaos]

No offense meant, but this kinda seems like grasping at straws.

THAT's the expression I wanted to say. I just... sorta forgot it.

[Nintenlord]

Where is it said that Elibe divine dragons can transform into other dragon types? Never heard of that before.

[Othin]

Ninian and Nils got their dragon-ness entirely from their mother. There's no reason why they would inherit Ice Dragon-ness more than Divine Dragon-ness if their mother was a Divine Dragon.

[Anouleth]

Ninian and Nils got their dragon-ness entirely from their mother. There's no reason why they would inherit Ice Dragon-ness more than Divine Dragon-ness if their mother was a Divine Dragon.

Recessive genes exist, you know.

[Othin]

Recessive genes exist, you know.

You're suggesting video game biology work realistically? Blasphemy.

But yeah, that's a possibility, although the theory of course remains absurd.