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Could Aenir and Idoun have been the same person?


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#21 Acacia Sgt

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 06:42 PM

Not to mention that as Dragons, their genetics may have a different working than that of Human's.

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Posted 30 November 2011 - 02:26 AM

Honestly, everything to do with Elibe (at least!) dragons is WMG IMO.

I mean, there are manaketes, and then there are also wyverns, and it's never really explained why wyverns (which appear to be related to dragons, and are called dragons in the Japanese version) exist and are tame and presumably breedable without causing any Scouring-type problems. Speaking of manaketes, they seem to have spontaneously come into existence in the 20 years between FE6 and FE7, unless Ninian and Nils count. Arcadia exists, but somehow Nergal had to go to the Dragons' Gate to accomplish anything. The gate somehow wasn't destroyed in the thousand years since the Scouring. Ninian and Nils kinda just wandered through by themselves, but Nergal needs them to call any more through. Except as he dies, when he apparently suddenly figures out the secret. (Not to mention, Nergal seems oddly pleased about Eliwood killing Ninian when he presumably still thinks he needs Ninian alive for his plans...) And maybe I wasn't reading Yahn's story closely enough, but I still don't get how Zephiel got access.

I also forgot to mention Yahn in the FE7 epilogue refers to Idun as a Demon Dragon.


Are you sure he isn't referring to himself? That's how I always read it. But then, my experience with 7 dates back quite a bit further than 6, so...

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Posted 30 November 2011 - 02:44 AM

Honestly, everything to do with Elibe (at least!) dragons is WMG IMO.

I mean, there are manaketes, and then there are also wyverns, and it's never really explained why wyverns (which appear to be related to dragons, and are called dragons in the Japanese version) exist and are tame and presumably breedable without causing any Scouring-type problems. Speaking of manaketes, they seem to have spontaneously come into existence in the 20 years between FE6 and FE7, unless Ninian and Nils count. Arcadia exists, but somehow Nergal had to go to the Dragons' Gate to accomplish anything. The gate somehow wasn't destroyed in the thousand years since the Scouring. Ninian and Nils kinda just wandered through by themselves, but Nergal needs them to call any more through. Except as he dies, when he apparently suddenly figures out the secret. (Not to mention, Nergal seems oddly pleased about Eliwood killing Ninian when he presumably still thinks he needs Ninian alive for his plans...) And maybe I wasn't reading Yahn's story closely enough, but I still don't get how Zephiel got access.


Yahn's the only mamkute from FE6 that wasn't created by Idoun, unless I'm misremembering, or am misinformed. The rest are the "war dragons" or whatever Yahn calls them. Also, Ninian and Nils are mamkutes, as they have dragonstones that are referenced.

You never learn how Zephiel breaks Idoun's seal, but Yahn says Zephiel learns of Idoun in an old book in Bern Keep. I'd imagine that whatever it was would be meant for descendants of Hartmut. Or something. I dunno.

Are you sure he isn't referring to himself? That's how I always read it. But then, my experience with 7 dates back quite a bit further than 6, so...


Yahn says "Why did you awaken the demon dragon" or something to that affect(Effect? I fucking hate these two words.) and Zephiel responds by asking who Yahn is. If Yahn was the demon dragon, I doubt Zephiel would have asked who Yahn is.

This is all from memory mind you, but I've played both fairly recently, so I doubt it's too far off. Could be wrong though.

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Posted 01 December 2011 - 07:01 PM

Honestly, everything to do with Elibe (at least!) dragons is WMG IMO.

I mean, there are manaketes, and then there are also wyverns, and it's never really explained why wyverns (which appear to be related to dragons, and are called dragons in the Japanese version) exist and are tame and presumably breedable without causing any Scouring-type problems.


At one point, Roy asks for confirmation that someone (Elphin, maybe) is talking about Dragons that were defeated in the Scouring, rather than Bern's mounts. Apart from that, there's no link between the two unlike in Akaneia and Tellius.

Arcadia exists, but somehow Nergal had to go to the Dragons' Gate to accomplish anything.


My theory is that either the only dragon that Nergal could use at Arcadia was Fa, and she was too young to have enough quintessence, or Nergal didn't want to tangle with Athos.

Ninian and Nils kinda just wandered through by themselves, but Nergal needs them to call any more through. Except as he dies, when he apparently suddenly figures out the secret.


The problem was he needed a lot of power. When he died, he used his own quintessence as a source. Why Ninian came through in the first place, I'm not sure.

(Not to mention, Nergal seems oddly pleased about Eliwood killing Ninian when he presumably still thinks he needs Ninian alive for his plans...)


He thought Nils would suffice.

Are you sure he isn't referring to himself? That's how I always read it. But then, my experience with 7 dates back quite a bit further than 6, so...


He says in 6 that he's a normal Dragon who fought in the Scouring. The Demon Dragon is the official name for the Dark Dragon/Idoun.

Edited by Baldrick, 01 December 2011 - 07:01 PM.


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Posted 19 December 2011 - 09:03 PM

Nils, when telling Eliwood the whole story says the 'voice of an old friend' called them through the gate. Presumably it was the subconscious recognition of Nergal as their father is what lured Nils and Ninian.

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 12:44 AM

(Not to mention, Nergal seems oddly pleased about Eliwood killing Ninian when he presumably still thinks he needs Ninian alive for his plans...)


It was shown afterwards that Nergal had their dragonstones and then infused it with Ninian's essence to open the gate. I figured that he somehow stole all of those during that encounter.