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#41 I don't play for turns

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 11:58 AM

What.

Suggesting that the tier list, which shows "expert perspective", should shift some characters higher or lower? "Ike+Pikachu should be higher, in my opinion. Pikachu's thunder always seems to be very cheap --"

You can always go and build your own tier list with the "n00b perspective", but these are very subject to change in even short amounts of time. However, shifting the high-level-play -oriented lists just because scrubs or beginners want it would be very strange, since they are, after all, intended to show which characters are most viable in competitive play. Not to show which characters are capable of getting lucky shots.

I'm not saying that you shouldn't post, but it's logical sense that there's probably more reason behind these lists than what you can come up with to prove that they aren't good. (that is, a good tier list being very accurate and therefore not needing any shifting for a long time)

But disagreement is a good thing in many matters; it creates discussion and discussion might open new mindsets. Unfortunately, You'd need some pretty good arguments to get Ike or Pikachu or pretty much anyone higher in a tier list of this game anymore.

Beginners often see heavy/slow characters as better than they are, as low-level play has many more mistakes, poor spacing, and a ton of chances to punish. Not to mention that these characters usually excel against the AI well enough. Conversely, technical characters with less direct offense (for example the Diddy you mentioned), or characters with "tedious" playstyles demotive of what a "scrub" would call "fun", are ranked lower in the minds of beginners, since they show their strenghts clearly and directly less often in low-level play, or just get shadowed by the other characters' "instant gain" -style of advantage. An factor, imo, is also that there are lots of people flocking to Smash, who have little experience with other fighting games, whereas a veteran of other fighting games would probably adapt easily to the mindset of how to win in Smash, even though the games are completely different.


/textwall about something completely irrelevant and non-interesting. Ah, if only I were as enthusiastic about my essays..


I didn't think my opinion would be taken into account, because i didn't post anything specific enough.

And I don't think I'm as bad as I'm made out to be by you. I'm obviously not nearly as good as people who do this, but I'm certainly not terrible compared to the children 11- who play this game.

And I never said Diddy's playstyle was tedious. I said it's possible fot people to not like playing for truns because it can be considered tedious. And if I did say Diddy wasn't good, I meant to say i wasn't good as him, and I said Meta Knight had never been great for me. I never said they couldn't be. I didn't want to get into an argument.

#42 mmKALLL

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 10:42 PM

But you didn't get into an argument. Or maybe you did.

Yeah, you might not be bad, but neither am I actually I am but I'm around much stronger players all the time

And I never said that you said that Diddy is tedious or MK is bad or whatever - I just noted that things like technicality are often disregarded by beginners. And Diddy is so technical that it hurts my butt to play him. I'd say that the three most oddball characters are ICs, Olimar and Diddy, in that order. These are also characters which are often overlooked when you're not yet much into the game. Whereas, as I said, characters with heavy punishing ability are often regarded higher than they should.

"Ike+Pikachu should be higher, in my opinion. Pikachu's thunder always seems to be very cheap, (cheap good) and Ike is my best character."
If the cheapness of Pika's thunder and the fact that Ike is your best characters aren't arguments as to why they should be higher - imo a very plausible assumption from the build of your sentences - why are they there in the first place? Arguments are almost always, after all, opinions.

But yeah. I respect the opinion of others, I'm just saying that maybe the players around you or you yourself can't deal with Pika's thunder or Ike's punishment as well as they could.

#43 dondon151

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Posted 23 May 2012 - 11:04 PM

And I don't think I'm as bad as I'm made out to be by you. I'm obviously not nearly as good as people who do this, but I'm certainly not terrible compared to the children 11- who play this game.

if you actually think that this comparison has any value, then yes - you're probably a pretty bad player.




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