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#341 Sharpy

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 11:12 PM

Well.
Consider the 3-4 trainers near the east entrance to meteor falls.
It hits 'em hard.
Except for that Machop.

Also, considering ingame trade, the Seedot with bullet seed can train in the gym AND level freaking fast, so it may almost evolve by the time we're out. What ever exp it needs to evolve, can be gotten from the hikers near whismur cave.

Also, Nature Power is a decent move early-mid game. Swift is alright, and Nuzleaf has a good attack stat. Fake out helps with stuff, and it outruns quite a bit.

Also, bullet seed hitting twice OHKOs. The geodude in petalburg/hikers by whismur cave. Twice is the minimun, I believe, and what else is gonna use BSeed?

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 07:33 AM

Also, considering ingame trade, the Seedot with bullet seed can train in the gym AND level freaking fast, so it may almost evolve by the time we're out. What ever exp it needs to evolve, can be gotten from the hikers near whismur cave.


It will, but you forget a term that comes with traded pokemon.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 08:56 AM

Then level it according to badge.
Pause at level 15 after Roxy.
Level ** after Brawly, etc, wtc.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 09:00 AM

Then level it according to badge.
Pause at level 15 after Roxy.
Level ** after Brawly, etc, wtc.


This negates the entre point of it having a faster leveling speed though.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 09:02 AM

On the traded Seedot in Emerald: Good luck finding a Ralts...

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 09:09 AM

Rarity isn't something to consider here, unless it's @#$%#@!#ing Feebas.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 09:14 AM

Rarity isn't something to consider here, unless it's @#$%#@!#ing Feebas.

Maybe, but Seedot are even more rare than Ralts are in Emerald (and as we all know, Ralts is rare as heck). And personally, I'd think twice about trading away a rare Pokemon like a Ralts...

Edited by Metal King Slime, 24 February 2012 - 09:14 AM.


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Posted 24 February 2012 - 09:39 AM

Maybe, but Seedot are even more rare than Ralts are in Emerald (and as we all know, Ralts is rare as heck). And personally, I'd think twice about trading away a rare Pokemon like a Ralts...


Rarity does not necessarily equate into quality. Slow leveling speed and being mediocre until Gardevoir is hardly an appeal to one of the few competent Dark types out there.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 09:40 AM

Rarity does not necessarily equate into quality. Slow leveling speed and being mediocre until Gardevoir is hardly an appeal to one of the few competent Dark types out there.

Maybe, but I don't exactly consider Seedot as all that great either. Heck, I'd go so far as to say it isn't much better off until it evolves into Shiftry.

Edited by Metal King Slime, 24 February 2012 - 11:01 AM.


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Posted 24 February 2012 - 10:08 AM

Raised Seedot just below Corpish.

Wailmers been bugging me, it's alright, but should it drop or rise?

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 07:23 AM

Wobbuffett could rise.
you can get the wynaut egg, or just catch one in the safari zone.

being able to set up and wall many problematic trainers, and mirror move/counter is more than Lotad will be oing for 3/4 of the game

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 08:13 AM

Raised Seedot just below Corpish.

Wailmers been bugging me, it's alright, but should it drop or rise?

W-What's up with this leapfrogging?

As to Wailmer, I'd imagine it gets held back by late evolution.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 08:19 AM

W-What's up with this leapfrogging?

As to Wailmer, I'd imagine it gets held back by late evolution.



Wailmer can be caught within just a level or two of evolution.
And, has good offense, water spout, and great att/sp att and a huge HP cushion.

Its defenses and speed are another story though..

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 08:31 AM

The problem with Wailord is that it's just another water type. It has nothing to differentiate itself aside from Water Spout, which kinda needs speed to function so you don't get hit first, something Wailord is sorely lacking. If you chose Mudkip, it is thoroughly useless, if you caught a far superior Tentacruel earlier, it is thoroughly useless. All it gives you is a mediocre attacker with a good chunk of HP.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 08:32 AM

Wailmer can be caught within just a level or two of evolution.
And, has good offense, water spout, and great att/sp att and a huge HP cushion.

Its defenses and speed are another story though..

I'm not seeing Water Spout as practical when you're slow enough that you can't get it off witout taking an attack first...

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 06:47 PM

I'm not seeing Water Spout as practical when you're slow enough that you can't get it off witout taking an attack first...

Now in the inevitable remake where you can give it a Choice Scarf...

Honestly, I'd say Golduck's better than Wailmer, and Crawdaunt is absolutely better. Wailmer levels up too slow and takes too long to evolve...

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 10:51 PM

Good point.
I've been fooling around using Gulpin, and look at that TM access. This thing has so many freaking options for moves. It has Yawn at base and sludge. You can catch it en route Mauville. There is one guy with 2 2nd form grass mons that give a lot of exp. Gulpin is fairly durable, and both offensive stats are even. It is about the same as Koffing (I think, but can't go on search engine for some reason)
If we're not using anything that wants shock wave, Gulpin can have it. If we still have Bullet seed, Gulpin can take it to deal with random ground types that NPC generics have. When it evolves, it gets body slam. And, lvl 26 is somewhat early. 80 in both offensive stats isn't godly, but it should be alright. It is fairly durable, and is kinda like Wobbuffett with worse typing, but better movepool and offense. Encore, Toxic, and Yawn are nice status/support moves. And, its also capable of going Yawn+Focus Punch to do a lot of damage.

Let's see how well it does if allowed TMs it wants.

Wattson-
Not much on offense, but it can take a hit before using Yawn on something. Then again, most things have problems with Wattson, except for Geodude, Mudkip, Makuhita, Combusken, and Breloom.

Flannery-
Again, I guess if its evolved, it can take hits and body slam/shock wave and yawn her mons. Being able to take overheat and still live is nice too.

Norman-
Now, this is fun, Swalot has access to 3 status move, Yawn, Toxic, and encore. As well as many TMs, sludge and body slam. It can probobly sleep Spinda, and kill it, and shit. But against Slaking, it can fuck it. Encore Slaking when it uses a non-damaging move and sludge it. 65 BP+stab is like 90ish BP.

Not bad for a mon with merely "ok" stats and such.

Against Winona, Its bulk can help it survive, yawn/encore and shock wave to fare well.

T+L
Fuck, ok, it gets destroyed here, unless it can like yawn Claydol/ encore calm mind set ups before dying.

Juan/Wallace-
good bulk helps, along with Giga Drain/ shock wave to help here. Encore/yawn to screw up the water leaders and Yawn+Focus Punch to dent the fuck in a lot of things.

Against E4

Sidney-
Yawn+FP
Or just helping out with encore/yawn and giga drain on Pedo/Crawdaunt

Phoebe-
Status spreading and shadow balling junk

Glacia-
Capable of surviving, and encoring hail and X special spam and then do massive damage with SE moves.

Drake-
Encore Shelgons Iron defense (I think)
And set up with status
ICE BEAM for coverage in a pinch.

Wallace-
Well, I guess encore rain dance/recover to support the team, and yawn+focus punch to put a dent in 4 of Wallaces MOns.

So, I'm not sure about it rising or dropping, insight?

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 11:04 PM

Norman-
Now, this is fun, Swalot has access to 3 status move, Yawn, Toxic, and encore. As well as many TMs, sludge and body slam. It can probobly sleep Spinda, and kill it, and shit. But against Slaking, it can fuck it. Encore Slaking when it uses a non-damaging move and sludge it. 65 BP+stab is like 90ish BP.


You do realize that Norman uses Facade, right? Which means that poisoning his Pokemon might wind up "out of the frying pan and into the fire" so to speak. Also, in Emerald, his Vigoroth and Spinda have Encore. Oh, and one more thing: Swalot doesn't learn Toxic until level 31.

Edited by Metal King Slime, 27 February 2012 - 11:09 PM.


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Posted 27 February 2012 - 11:58 PM

I've been fooling around using Gulpin, and look at that TM access. This thing has so many freaking options for moves. It has Yawn at base and sludge. You can catch it en route Mauville. There is one guy with 2 2nd form grass mons that give a lot of exp. Gulpin is fairly durable, and both offensive stats are even. It is about the same as Koffing (I think, but can't go on search engine for some reason)


Problem with Gulpin is he shows up at a time where it's REALLY hard to welcome any low level mon: right before Wattson. The real question really is does he do anything worthwhile before Koffing shows up? Considering being a low level poison sucks, I would highly doubt it.

If we're not using anything that wants shock wave, Gulpin can have it. If we still have Bullet seed, Gulpin can take it to deal with random ground types that NPC generics have. When it evolves, it gets body slam. And, lvl 26 is somewhat early. 80 in both offensive stats isn't godly, but it should be alright. It is fairly durable, and is kinda like Wobbuffett with worse typing, but better movepool and offense. Encore, Toxic, and Yawn are nice status/support moves. And, its also capable of going Yawn+Focus Punch to do a lot of damage.


Problem with Ground types are that they're usually Geodude and Numel, two things that have Magnitude, a move of which destroys any scrub weak to the move on bad luck. They also come almost immediately after catching it and passing Wattson, which is why imo all low level poison types in Hoenn have the world's worst start. None of them are like Torkoal who is so armor tough he could shrug off something as devestating as Magnitude. The only exception is Koffing because Levitate leaves him immune. Koffing also does not take long to get Sludge, and can also learn Shockwave (and probably be better with it). Yawn+Focus Punch is also incredibly gimmicky. I would actually only consider Toxic to be the only real useful utility move.

Let's see how well it does if allowed TMs it wants.

Wattson-
Not much on offense, but it can take a hit before using Yawn on something. Then again, most things have problems with Wattson, except for Geodude, Mudkip, Makuhita, Combusken, and Breloom.


I'd venture Gulpin has it significantly worse as Magneton is his greatest threat, and Gulpin can do absolutely dick to it. Atleast other mons can ya know...Hurt it. I imagine an Electrike if it can survive itcould at least Thunder Wave the Magneton.

Flannery-
Again, I guess if its evolved, it can take hits and body slam/shock wave and yawn her mons. Being able to take overheat and still live is nice too.


Then Camerupt comes in and ruins any damage you could do. You have better means of dealing with this incredibly easy gym.

Norman-
Now, this is fun, Swalot has access to 3 status move, Yawn, Toxic, and encore. As well as many TMs, sludge and body slam. It can probobly sleep Spinda, and kill it, and shit. But against Slaking, it can fuck it. Encore Slaking when it uses a non-damaging move and sludge it. 65 BP+stab is like 90ish BP.

Not bad for a mon with merely "ok" stats and such.


Norman is an absolute joke in Emerald, why are we going in such a roundabout fashion to kill it? Having a random fire type with Overheat switching in and out every mon would prove more effective than this junk. And as stated, Facade.

Against Winona, Its bulk can help it survive, yawn/encore and shock wave to fare well.


Winona is also a very easy boss who dies simply to the existence of Shock Wave. Question is, do you have anybetter options? What of speed, for example?

Juan/Wallace-
good bulk helps, along with Giga Drain/ shock wave to help here. Encore/yawn to screw up the water leaders and Yawn+Focus Punch to dent the fuck in a lot of things.


Giga Drain is hardly an offensive move I'd want to rely on sweeping a gym leader, much less on a mon who doesn't STAB with it. Not enough PP, and even then, Juan and Wallace are hardly using the wimpier type of waters. Juan is an even worse story. If you don't kill Wishcash it'll simply kill you back, and Kingdra will absolutely destroy Swalot.

E4

Sidney-
Yawn+FP
Or just helping out with encore/yawn and giga drain on Pedo/Crawdaunt


Dark types are notoriously not that tough. I would venture anything with a good attack stat and Brick Break would prove more effective.

Phoebe-
Status spreading and shadow balling junk


I forget, don't some of her mons have Psychic?

Glacia-
Capable of surviving, and encoring hail and X special spam and then do massive damage with SE moves.


Better idea, can Swalot learn Thunderbolt or Brick Break, and if so, why it and not others?

So, I'm not sure about it rising or dropping, insight?


I highly doubt it should be high, as Koffing sounds better and even then I'm not severely impressed. Somewhere in Lower Mid at BEST.

You do realize that Norman uses Facade, right? Which means that poisoning his Pokemon might wind up "out of the frying pan and into the fire" so to speak. Also, in Emerald, his Vigoroth and Spinda have Encore. Oh, and one more thing: Swalot doesn't learn Toxic until level 31.


There's also this.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 12:24 AM

Having a random fire type with Overheat switching in and out every mon would prove more effective than this junk.


Doesn't sound like all that great a solution when, barring Torchic, your fire types are limited to Slugma, Numel and Torkoal, seeing as the first two are frail, and all of them are slow. And as this is Emerald we're talking about, Linoone getting off a Belly Drum means you're pretty much ruined.

Edited by Metal King Slime, 28 February 2012 - 12:30 AM.





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