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[Kaoz]

Could you two kindly keep your mouth shut if you don't have anything meaningful to say and stop spamming this thing even more than you already did. I wouldn't mind seeing a postgame of this someday, and you're not exactly helping.

[Naglfar]

uh I'll update the OP like I should have

now do me a favour, guys

count the pages

and tell me if it's even reasonable to ask for postgame here

maybe if Proto helped, but I feel even less motivated to do this bullshit than I do most things

[Rapier]

To be honest, I don't mind if we have a postgame or not. I was just answering 13th and remembering him that this game has a lot of pages and it's almost impossible to do a postgame. Sorry if it was a spam of some sort.

[Kaoz]

count the pages

and tell me if it's even reasonable to ask for postgame here

Yes. While I don't expect you to carefully reread everything, you can at least get some general thoughts about the game and the setup done, or you could go through eclipse's summaries and when something seems important, reread that part specifically.

[Naglfar]

I never thought to go through the summaries. I guess I can manage that.

[Cap'n Flint]

will there ever be a post game for this game????

[Witch]

This. The least you could do would be to show how the night actions went down.

[Witch]

This. The least you could do would be to show how the night actions went down.

no seriously, did naglfar ditch this for mafiascum newbie games or something

[Naglfar]

I only played one newbie game...

SIX MONTHS OVERDUE POSTGAME GO

It's not a very good one but I don't care.

Setup


As the first game I've ever hosted, this was experimental by definition. I assigned roles that would fit the characters I chose, paying relatively little heed to balance (even though Proto did provide plenty of help with that, in a custom-made game with all these power roles, is balance beyond a certain point even practically achievable?). My primary goal was an enjoyable game with plenty of possibilities, and as far as I can see, I succeeded in that respect. Due to my inexperience and semi-random decisions, I'll spare you any bullshit about why I went with anything in particular. Either I thought it'd be interesting, or Proto thought it'd help balance the game.

Roles

Haha, I can just copypaste this. Mostly.

Spoiler - Ryuuki

Dear JBCWK,

You are Kamen Rider Ryuuki.

Lucky you, you got the titular character, whatever that's worth to you. Your colour scheme is a striking red and fire features prominently in a lot of your techniques. Your motif is a dragon, which stands out amongst the insect motifs Kamen Riders, especially eponymous ones, are known for.

You only want to stop the fighting, but the most you can do is protect your allies. Each night, you may reply to this Role PM with Night X – Use Guard Vent on USER. You will use your shields to negate all kills targeting USER during that night. In short, you're the Town Doctor.

You are town-aligned. You win if all anti-town players are dead.

Spoiler - Knight

Dear Cap'n Flint,

You are Kamen Rider Knight.

You are the secondary Rider of the source material and the first to make an appearance. Your abilities are unique, owing to the arsenal of unorthodox Advent Cards at your disposal. Your motif is a medieval knight, and when your contract monster Darkwing morphs into a cape, you totally look like Meta Knight.

You can do more than just fight. Each day, you can sneakily multiply yourself with your Trick Vent. Your daily lynch vote counts for two votes. In short, you're the Town Mayor.

You are town-aligned. You win if all anti-town players are dead.

Spoiler - Zolda

Dear eclipse,

You are Kamen Rider Zolda.

You are the fourth Rider to appear over the course of the series, and were present for longer than most. You're difficult to attack with your Magna Visor serving as a gun along with the rest of your artillery, after all. Your name is taken from the Russian word for "soldier", which is reflected in your appearance.

Just shooting everyone up may not be a good idea, though, so you chose to be more subtle with your abilities. Each night, you may reply to this Role PM with Night X - Use Scope Vent on USER. By closely inspecting USER, you will discover their alignment by morning. In short, you're the Town Cop.

You are town-aligned. You win if all anti-town players are dead.

Spoiler - Raia

Dear Iris,

You are Kamen Rider Raia.

You are one of the few non-antihero protagonists of the series and debuted relatively early on. Your default weapon is Evil Whip, though you have the ability to copy the weapon of other Riders. Your motif is a ray.

You don't want to fight, but you can put your more supernatural abilities to good use. Each night, you may reply to this Role PM with Night X - Use Sight Vent on USER. If you die that night, your psychic abilities will be triggered, revealing USER's role publicly at the start of the following Day Phase. In short, you're the Town Oracle.

You are town-aligned. You win if all anti-town players are dead.

Spoiler - Gai

Dear Nightmare,

You are Kamen Rider Gai.

Your introduction came a fair way into the series, though it wasn't late. You attack with your huge gauntlet, Metal Horn, while being protected by heavy armour. Your motif is a rhinoceros, so this is unsurprising.

As if you needed anything more to overpower your enemies, you have a trick to put you at a distinct advantage. Each night, you may reply to this Role PM with Night X - Use Confine Vent on USER. USER's action will be voided. In short, you're the Town Roleblocker.

You are town-aligned. You win if all anti-town players are dead.

Spoiler - Tiger

Dear Levantamos/Snike,

You are Kamen Rider Tiger.

You were late to the party, but I guess that'd be "fashionably late"? That axe (unpictured, sadly) makes a statement, and basically sums up your fighting style, smashing everything... or possibly freezing things before smashing them, but that's for another time. Your motif is a white tiger (tigers are rad).

Let's be a hero. Each night, you may reply to this Role PM with Night X - Use Strike Vent on USER. You'll use your Dest Claws, and USER will die. If you use this ability on consecutive nights, you will appear as mafia to investigative roles for the rest of the game. In short, you're the Town Vigilante.

You are town-aligned. You win if all anti-town players are dead.

Spoiler - Imperer

Dear Diavolo,

You are Kamen Rider Imperer.

Of the Riders to be introduced over the course of the TV series, you were the last. You fight alongside a significant number of Contract Monsters and use a strange twin drill weapon, Gazelle Stab. It's ambiguous with most things associated with you directly referencing gazelles, but your name suggests that your motif is actually an impala.

With Gigazelle and its plethora of underlings on your side, you have eyes everywhere. Each night, you may reply to this Role PM with Night X - Use Advent on USER. Your monster army will keep tabs on USER wherever they go, and you'll know where they've been by morning. In short, you're the Town Tracker.

You are town-aligned. You win if all anti-town players are dead.

Spoiler - Verde

Dear Dave Strider,

You are Kamen Rider Verde.

You are unique in that your only appearance was in the 13 Riders TV special. During your limited screen time, you fought using more tricks than anyone else, immobilising enemies with your yo-yo weapon Bio-Winder and even copying the appearance of your enemies. Your motif is a chameleon.

With a chameleon motif, naturally you have stealth abilities. Each night, you may reply to this Role PM with Night X - Use Clear Vent on USER. You will blend in with your environment and you'll be able to stalk USER; you'll see everyone who visits them that night. In short, you're the Town Watcher.

You are town-aligned. You win if all anti-town players are dead.

Spoiler - Femme

Dear 13thshadow,

You are Kamen Rider Femme.

You are the first official female Kamen Rider, but like all official female Kamen Riders, you made no appearance outside of movies (actually, you appeared briefly in the 13 Riders TV special, but it's hardly worth mentioning). It's kind of a sore spot with me. For combat, you can choose between your Blanc Visor that doubles as a rapier or the double-bladed Wing Slasher. Your motif is a swan.

You're rather good at getting people to do what you want. Once each day, at any time, you may reply to this Role PM with Day X - Use Mind Vent on USER1 - "##Vote: USER2". USER1's lynch vote will become USER2 as soon as a host sees your PM, regardless of whether or not they have submitted a vote that day, and it cannot be changed. In short, you're the Town Persuader.

You are town-aligned. You win if all anti-town players are dead.

Spoiler - Scissors

Dear Strawman the DucksawDucky,

You are Kamen Rider Scissors.

You are the third Rider to appear, and your status as an antagonist was used to show the Japanese public that the Riders this time around aren't all the heroes they're used to. You use a lot of brute force, but not much else of note. Your motif is a crab.

In this game, visiting you is a bad idea. Anyone who does will be killed by your Crush Vent, but remember that their action will not be voided. In short, you're the Mafia Paranoid Gun Owner.

You are mafia-aligned. You win if you achieve parity with all non-mafia players.

Spoiler - Ouja

Dear Shinori/Kaoz,

You are Kamen Rider Ouja.

You are easily the most consistent villain of the series, constantly attacking everyone. You fight with multiple weapons, though most commonly your Veno Saber, a spiral-bladed sword, and you go crazy with it. Your motif is a cobra.

If it's there, may as well use it. Each night, you may reply to this Role PM with Night X - Use Steal Vent on USER. If USER targets a member of the mafia with their night action, their action is voided. It resolves as your own action, targeting its original user. In short, you're the Mafia Copier.

You are mafia-aligned. You win if you achieve parity with all non-mafia players.

Spoiler - Abyss

Dear Kay,

You are Kamen Rider Abyss.

You are the only Ryuuki-continuity Rider to make no appearance in the original work, and you only showed up as an alternate universe Rider seven years later, designed for the 2009 series Kamen Rider Decade. You were the Big Bad of Ryuuki's world, your two Contract Monsters giving you a significant advantage in combat. Your motif is a shark.

Your affinity for water makes cleaning up messes easy. At night, you may reply to this Role PM with Night X - Use Torrent Vent on USER. If USER dies that night, only the mafia will get to see the dead player's Role PM, and you will be unable to use this ability again. In short, you're the Mafia Janitor.

You are mafia-aligned. You win if you achieve parity with all non-mafia players.

Spoiler - Odin

Dear Princess K,

You are Kamen Rider Odin.

Introduced midway through the series, you are the representative of the primary antagonist. In addition to having power leaps and bounds beyond that of any other Rider, you are capable of teleporting short distances, and even manipulating time with one of your disproportionately potent Advent Cards. Your motif is a phoenix.

These idiots have no chance. Each even-numbered night, you may reply to this Role PM with Night X - Use Final Vent on USER. Your Eternal Chaos attack will kill USER. There is no defence against it. Well, a doctor or something, I guess. Let's not be overpowered here. You can't die at night either. In short, you're the Independent Serial Killer.

You are self-aligned. You win if all other players are dead.

Spoiler - Ryuuga

Dear Rapier,

You are Kamen Rider Ryuuga.

You are the primary antagonist of the movie, not appearing anywhere else. You're not technically one of the ensemble of Riders, rather you're sort of an evil clone of Ryuuki. Functionally, you mirror Ryuuki perfectly, though you're black and your base form is slightly stronger. Your motif is a dragon.

Your goal is to replace Ryuuki. You don't care about anything else, so you will be protecting yourself with your Guard Vent at all times and one attempt to kill you at night will fail. A second will be successful. In short, you're the Independent Bulletproof.

You are self-aligned. You win if you survive and Kamen Rider Ryuuki does not.

Spoiler - Mafia!

Dear Strawman the DucksawDucky, Shinori/Kaoz and Kay,

You are the mafia. If one of you is Nightmare, I apologise. Each odd-numbered night, any of you may reply to this Role PM with Night X - Send MEMBER to kill USER. MEMBER kills USER. It's incredible.

You know that there is no martyr. You also know that Kamen Rider Alternative and Kamen Rider Alternative Zero are not in the game.

That's all you should need. Good luck!

How Shit Went Down


If you ask me, there was a fair bit of interesting stuff that happened during the game. Mostly you people being retarded. You all disgust me.

Actions

Spoiler - Cycle 1

13th persuades Rein onto Nightmare
Bizz/Snike idles
Core tracks Kay
Eclipse investigates Iris
Iris scries Rapier
JB protects Bizz/Snike
Nightmare blocks Sho
Rein watches Eclipse
Kay shoots Bizz/Snike
Kay janitors Bizz/Snike
Shinori/Kaoz rolesteals JB
Blitz was lynched. 13 players remain.

Spoiler - Cycle 2

13th persuades Rapier onto 13th
Bizz/Snike shoots Core
Core tracks Iris
Eclipse investigates Shinori/Kaoz
Iris scries Shinori/Kaoz
JB protects Nightmare
Nightmare blocks Kay
Rein watches Shinori/Kaoz
Kay idles
Shinori/Kaoz rolesteals Nightmare
Sho idles
Rapier was lynched. Core was killed. 11 players remain.

Spoiler - Cycle 3

13th persuades Shinori/Kaoz onto Rein
Bizz/Snike idles
Eclipse investigates Sho
Iris scries Kay
JB protects Eclipse
Nightmare blocks Bizz/Snike
Rein watches Eclipse
Kay shoots Iris
Kay janitors Iris
Shinori/Kaoz was lynched. Iris was killed. 9 players remain.

Spoiler - Cycle 4

Bizz/Snike shoots 13th
Eclipse investigates Rein
JB protects Eclipse
Nightmare blocks Strawman
Rein watches JB
Sho shoots Bizz/Snike
Kay was lynched. 13th, Bizz/Snike and Nightmare were killed. 5 players remain.

Spoiler - Cycle 5

Eclipse investigates Strawman
Rein watches JB
JB protects Eclipse
Strawman shoots JB
Sho was lynched. JB was killed. 3 players remain.

Spoiler - Cycle 6

Strawman was lynched. Eclipse and Rein survived. Town victory.

Individual shit once I've written it. On that right now, 2/14 done. Let me know if there's anything else I should write about.

[eclipse]

That's a great start. Thanks~!

[Leder]

JB likes to save me N1 because he is a sweetheart

see: golden sun

[Naglfar]

postgame since... 2am?

it's 7am nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

7/14

[Witch]

holy shit look at those night actions, Nightmare is probably the best Town Roleblocker I've ever seen.

[Naglfar]

>off-phase SK
>off-phase mafia janitor
>vig
>granny

best targets

[Witch]

The Granny was off-phase too.

He basically targeted the best possible targets on the worst possible phases.

[Iris]

finishplz <3

[Naglfar]

oh shit oh shit i finished it i finished something

again if you want more let me know idgaf we'll see

Individual Performance

Rein: Didn't post much, seemingly through a combination of injury, illness and being Rein, but was generally on the ball all around. Ended up on a lot of bandwagons and was more correct in his suspicions as the game progressed. He was definitely a couple steps ahead of a lot of the other players.

jesus christ i just fucking posted

do all my posts have to be in fucking rainbows for people to notice them

JB: Didn't seem to be paying much attention early on, and focused much of his pressure on whoever was stupidest at the time, not really a reliable way of finding the mafia. If I'm to be honest, I think he was confusing judgemental tendencies for actual reads. When that died down, he didn't seem to have any strong opinions, and was confused sometimes, which may have been a product of him being busy with school. By the time he began appearing on the ball, what was left of the game wasn't really that hard to figure out.

Hazel couldn't stand all the bickering, but starting a fire... that would be interesting. There, however, was one problem with it.

"They won't fall for a fire. They wouldn't think us as stupid as to actually start a campfire, for sure. Also, how could you think of leaving someone here to fend them off alone? That's... too cruel..."

Eclipse: She's Eclipse. Posts summaries, scolds everyone in a motherly way, keeps people active and on their toes, is the best cop. There was no stopping her following her investigation of Kaoz. If I'm to critique her play, I'd say that she focuses a bit too hard on activity levels. She's also a filthy drunk. Town MVP.

Oh, CRAP, I need to do a summary!

Core: More difficult to get a read on this guy. He posted a fair bit of good content, and appears to have some slightly alternative ideas about scumhunting? Despite his well-founded logic, he had a humorous tendency to be wrong. He got way too caught up in the 13th debacle, which is surely what jammed his scumdar and ultimately got him shot.

I actually never did a /ranked/ list based on townishness.

Feels necessary.


Townish
Strawman
Kay
Shinori
Iris
Nightmare
Sho
Rein
Rapier
Bizz
Eclipse
JB
Blitz
13th
Scummy

Bizz and Snike: Nightmare was the only reason Bizz didn't withdraw her signup. She was as invested in the game as that fact would lead you to believe. She consistently acted preoccupied and tired, if you ask me, and yet still managed to have a better grasp of the earlygame than the vast majority of the other players, if not all of them. Sadly, she subbed out during Day 2.

Yeah, another thing, calling ____ role an idiot or 'retarded' really doesn't help anything, especially since none of us know the full story. So shut the fuck up, etc. (I'm speaking from experience--how do you think the vig, should they exist, feels to be called unnecessary names? Especially since you were 'so sure' about Blitz and were wrong?)

Snike subbed in for Bizz, said some crazy shit, shot two townies, then got killed by Sho. But seriously, he took charge during the weird claim party with the independents and tried to get the game back on track. Unfortunately he decided he was going to try to find Odin - who was Sho, who wasn't about to go back on a claim, so that didn't get anyone anywhere. I don't really see anything amounting to a significant opinion from him, save a desire to get rid of 13th. Guys, you're not going to find scum by getting caught up trying to rationalise a lynch of the persuader who claimed fool and then went back to his original claim. Some things just mean nothing.

holy shit


this game


just this game

Shinori and Kaoz: Shinori did nothing before he subbed. He weighed in a little on the 13th issue, but... that doesn't mean much when you're mafia. I don't even have a quote for this guy.

Kaoz came in and quickly got the mafia on track. He was active in the thread, posting very logical things. I question his decision to encourage a Sho lynch, since keeping Sho around so he could keep spouting bullshit could be, and was, a good way to keep the town distracted. It didn't last the phase though, he proceeded to advocate a lynch of a handful of other people. He probably would have won the game for his faction had he not been caught out by Eclipse, who he intentionally spared on Night 1 for the sake of a more interesting game. Even though the root of the mafia's defeat is on his hands, I'm going to give him Mafia MVP.

Spoiler -

Nightmare: His posts were sparse, but to the point and insightful. Nightmare's play was concise, easy to follow, and frankly pleasant. His reads were... inconsistent. He could stand to add some conviction, though. His reasoning could have been stronger and I don't feel he had much of a presence, if you know what I mean. A misstep made him the only townie to be killed by Strawman's role. Play a game with me sometime, ないとめあ君。

No thanks. If being more active means posting eleven times per second like you do, I'm good. I'd rather flex my muscles.

Kay: Being Kay, she didn't post much. Her early posts seemed to be more pro-town than the townies, interestingly enough. Essentially her posts were fairly sound and helped promote a town image for herself, but it seems she didn't fool the more quiet players, and Iris caught her out with her role in a particularly unlucky way. This basically guaranteed the mafia's loss.

No quote because Kay never says anything colourful.

Rapier: I have a lot of problems with how Rapier played. I can see him being noncommittal, unconfident and self-contradictory, going Super Tunnel Brothers and making odd leaps of logic in a bunch of places. More or less drove the game in the same pointless direction until he himself was accused, then he started acting smug and annoying. Then he died... also, Freudian slips.

12. Strawman - Acts like JB, but he makes sense and participates on the discussion rather than nail someone agaisnt the wall hard.

Blitz: The guy who spoke a lot yet said very little. He often posted multiple times per page and contributing nothing in any of them, and his suspicions seemed to revolve entirely around activity (and perceived defensiveness towards inactive players). I know he didn't survive past Day 1, but he really never said anything meaningful.

lol

(he said that three times)

Iris: Everybody's favourite votaler. Actually, that's the majority of what she did... I'm kind of surprised that nobody really had a negative read on her despite the fact that she posted exceedingly little content. I suppose everyone was just preoccupied with a certain trio. She took a neutral stance on most of the earlygame issues, which was the correct answer, though she never pushed much. In the end, she found Kay with her role, completely countering the janitor ability. This alone would make her Town MVP if only Eclipse wasn't here, but instead I'll give her the gold sports prize for bowling a wicked googly with her crystal ball. Eclipse shouldn't have taught her Facepalm-fu.

Strawman: Strawman, the best townie. No wait, he was scum. My favourite thing about Strawman's play is that things would have been a lot easier for the town if they had taken his advice in the thread. I think we can count this as evidence that playing a completely pro-town game (in the thread) as scum may be a viable strategy, because it wins you townpoints while the dumb players ensure that your insight is never acted upon. Unfortunately, this apparently isn't the best tactic when you want as many townies to target you as you can get; only Nightmare died this way and Eclipse was under JB's protection.

CORE AND IRIS ARE OBV SCUM BUDDIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

13th: the worst player in the town If anything characterises how 13th played, it's how he spent too much time defending himself in a depressing way. His reads felt... eroded, probably because he didn't care much. Despite all this, Night 4 came around and he was suddenly on the ball... then Snike killed him. Shame. And remember kids, never claim when you're high.

No quote because he was being too depressing for most of the game to say anything funny.

Sho: nope

...okay, fine

Sho's attitude had him on the verge of being lynched all game. Since he was the wolf, this was not a good thing and guaranteed that he was going to die as soon as the town ran out of obvious lynch targets. There's really not much else to say... he did do one thing well, though. Apparently, he managed to make his fakeclaim in such a way that not one person took notice of the fact that he was taking all of his cues from Rapier's very timid and gradual claim. Maybe it was just because nobody wanted to read his posts any more than they absolutely had to. I also wonder what he intended to do when the town inevitably figured out that nobody could be Odin but him, if he had survived longer.

No quote because I'm not going through 253 posts of RAEG in an attempt to find one.

[eclipse]

This was one of the most amusing postgames I've ever read. Thank you~!

[Kaoz]

Good job on getting this done and more elaborate than I expected at that.

Personally, I believe Strawman should be Mafia MVP instead of me btw, he played very well overall while I did some things that hindered us.

[Naglfar]

I feel validated.

I can't say I didn't consider Strawman for scumvp, but I just wasn't feeling it. I may have done it if the mafia won, but no luck there. Oh well.