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[Baldrick]

Hey, the one item Ardan gets is worth more than all of the named characters combined, lol.

It's too bad it doesn't help his cause at all. (Now if it were a Leg Ring...)


Amelia and Wendy are both growth units whose designers doesn't realise that growth units are meant to be superior to high base units at higher levels. Both are prime bench material.

Performance-wise, Amelia beats Wendy for two important reasons:

Tower of Valni exists
FE8 is a joke

If Amelia existed in FE6 though, she'd be worse. Incidentally, I don't get all this love for Cavalier!Amelia. Outside of drafts, she has to compete with SIX superior rescue-bots, a seventh joins soon after. And this is in LTC. In "ordinary" play, the only point of a rescue-bot is to retrieve squishies who have been left in range of an enemy. Is there really a niche for that?

Edited by Baldrick, 20 February 2012 - 07:42 PM.

[Thor Odinson]

I guess finding a use in drafts and being a rescuebot > no use ever. When Amelia goes cavalier, she's at least marginally usable as a 7th string rescuebot and can maybe get in a kill. It's something Wendy can't ever claim to doing. Say somebody wants to train Amelia because they like her or something, but doesn't want to use valni or only uses the valni until 10/1 standard of drafts. After going cav, most of her shittiness is still there, but hey, 8 move, more flexible positioning go! While 4 move until real promotion is just painful, considering how damn big FE6's maps are, too.

I mean nobody said Amelia's phenominal due to cav, but she does have a slight more chance of seeing some action than wendy ever will outside of her join point (and honestly she gets killed by everything there on hm. no action ever).

Edited by Luminescent Blade, 20 February 2012 - 07:56 PM.

[axe figther fernando]

I agree with marth 64 there both good if trained but
I don't like Amelia I don't know why.

[Aquaman]

Wendy has 4 move
Crap bases
Comes right before an axe fest.
Gets 1-2RKOed by an archer.
Costs a highly competed knight crest, and every other user is better.
And SHE SUCKS EVEN WITH ARENA ABUSE!
Her supporters are either mediocre
(Barth, Bors, Lilina)
Or just merely average
(OJ, Ashtol)

Amelia has 4 move,
Bad bases
Average growths
Tower training
Cavalier option
Paladins are rapeface.
Being a 10/10/1 Paladin by ch 16-17- is nice.
She has a fast Franz support, which matches move
Its fe8.

Amelia gets higher move and has tower acces.
She's better.

Wendy has crap hit on sword users while using a slim lance.
Sophia at least gets to hit resistance and can heal at 10/1
Wolt has chip
Dorothy has chip
Douglas has tanking in sacae
Bors/Barth tank in sacae and isles at 10/1, with axes and wtf con.
Garret has axes, peakwalk, crit, high str, and a good HP cushion.
Marcus and Zealot are good for the hard early parts, and get disposed of at the chapter you get Miledy.

[deranger]

Amelia has...
Average growths

Name    HP  Str  Skl  Spd  Lck  Def  Res  
Wendy    85   40   40   40   45   30   10  
Amelia    60   35   40   40   50   30   15

Not even close. Though I guess you could justify that she has more levels to work with them. I'd definitely say wendy's are better

Edited by deranger, 21 February 2012 - 02:04 AM.

[Levant Fortner]

Name    HP  Str  Skl  Spd  Lck  Def  Res  
Wendy    85   40   40   40   45   30   10  
Amelia    60   35   40   40   50   30   15

Not even close. Though I guess you could justify that she has more levels to work with them. I'd definitely say wendy's are better

Ehh, the difference is pretty insignificant, tbh.

[Espinosa]

Amelia is better only because she can provide utility with her horse after you baby her a little. If you baby Wendy a little, you'll just have to baby her some more and then some more again.

[deranger]

Amelia is better only because she can provide utility with her horse after you baby her a little. If you baby Wendy a little, you'll just have to baby her some more and then some more again.

That seems to be what most are saying, and given what I've seen of the characters, I'd probably agree.

[whase]

give Amelia some time, with killing a few enemies in her starting chapter, she'll be level 10 before you know it. than it's either cavalier or super trainee, making her truly usable in the next chapter. with a little patience she's easy enough to train. plus, double promotion means double promotion stat bonuses!

as for wendy, her stats barely allow her to hit or damage in this game. if she were in FE8 she might've been at least usable.

Amelia is better in hard mode than Wendy is in normal mode.

[Venusaur]

Generally, higher growths are kinda overrated, an extra 10 percent only results in 2 extra points over 20 levels, or just one over 10. 5% is even more laughable, one point over twenty levels. Plus, bases are much more consistent and immediately satisfying, just look at Pent, HM Percival and the Laguz Royals (just three of the many examples)!

And of course, Amelia has access to a class that doesn't move at the rate of molasses and can actually hit and eventually double things, so...

[Aversa]

I don't understand why the tower is always ignored in FE8 LTC and suddenly it exists to grind on.

If the Tower isn't an option, surely Amelia is worse off.

[CrashGordon94]

Because we're not necessarily talking about LTC, neither of them have anything to contribute there so that ship has sailed. It's not the only playstyle, after all.

[Onmi]

It's been said, but Wendy is literally impossible to train. Even with babying you would have to dedicate a huge amount of time (And save states) to get her to... the level of an Armor Knight in FE6. I.E. Worthless. Amelia has the tower, can promote into a Cav and then a Paladin. Who nerfed as they are in FE8 are still kickass.

Now the question of who's worth more of your time... neither. Amelia if I had to pick. but by the time they show up, I either have my team, or don't have room of another Cav/Armor Knight in my team.

[Thor Odinson]

I don't understand why the tower is always ignored in FE8 LTC and suddenly it exists to grind on.

If the Tower isn't an option, surely Amelia is worse off.

Point is, it exists, even though most experienced players don't use it or just use it for 10/1 in drafts. It's still an option while Wendy got none.

[Renall]

Point is, it exists, even though most experienced players don't use it or just use it for 10/1 in drafts. It's still an option while Wendy got none.

And even without it, Amelia's easier to train, because FE8 is an easier game. She's bad without the Tower, but at least if coaxed to 10/1 Cavalier becomes tolerable and can follow around picking guys off or fleeing from danger. Wendy can't ever do that.

[RNG Princess]

At least for Amelia there are enemies she can safely attack and not miss to gain cexp. On Ephraim's route corner the archer and the healer on the lhs for Amelia and she'll be gaining easy cexp especially if the priest heals the archer frequently. For Eirika's there are several archers around that can easily be cornered for Amelia. Wendy doesn't have it that easy iirc, and she's lance locked for a while Amelia is not (unless the player choses to keep her lance locked). I think Amelia is better.

Edited by Queen_Kittylincia, 21 February 2012 - 10:44 AM.

[The_Purple_Knight]

It's been said, but Wendy is literally impossible to train.

Not impossible just awful . I watched a Wendy solo run on YouTube thank god for him, Wendy was blessed. Even then one chapter he just broke down and used all the prepromotes .

[Mystical Mermaid]

I'll go with Amelia on this due to the option of making her a Super Trainee in your third playthrough. Essentially, she becomes similar statwise to a Swordmaster (including the +15% crit bonus) but with lances, and is the only lance-wielding character in the game with this trait. Of course, there's still the drawback of her lack of Constitution gains in this promotional path. Wendy, on the other hand is too difficult to train to be worthwhile. With okay growths but low base stats for the time at which she joins, she just won't keep up with the rest of Roy's group. The only usefulness I can see for her is the Triangle Attack with Bath and Bors, but even this can be very difficult to set up with three units that can only move 4 (5 if promoted) tiles per round, compared to the more mobile Pegasus Knights.

[Camus The Dark Knight]

Amelia >>> Wendy

FE8 is considerably easier then FE6.
FE8 allows training via the tower.
FE8 general class is better.
Amelia has options besides general if you want.

When I left Amelia was considered great, what has happened that she has become a piece of garbage since I returned?

[Hyde]

Amelia is considered bad because she joins late with terrible bases. Nobody accepts tower leveling as a valid argument anymore.