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[Levant Fortner]

I never did get why people say is useless.

He has decent chip damage, staff utility, and summons at his disposal and I always thought we liked staff bots that can do more than just staffbot.

I think he comes with his own promotion item which is also good. Who doesn't like free promotion items?

Ewan and Amelia got nothing going for them except being adorable in them crazy playthroughs peeps here prefer but they having a dragon shield/speedwing respectively.

Agreed.

Also, he doesn't come with his own promotion item, but the chapter where (or after) you get him does.

Edited by Metal King Slime, 19 February 2012 - 07:57 PM.

[Othin]

Ewan at least has decent ranged attacks; Amelia only has Javelins. Knoll not only has ranged attacks, but ranged attacks that can actually hurt things instead of just grabbing Exp, and he can promote immediately for utility. He has issues, but he's nowhere near as bad as Amelia or Ewan.

Edited by Othin, 19 February 2012 - 08:13 PM.

[Florina Stark]

Well at the very least Knoll can instant-promote and summon for utility. Amelia can't claim that she does anything useful.

I was thinking more along the lines of Ewan for being about equal in uselessness and showing up even later. (I guess you could hypothetically make him a Summoner too but Knoll does the same job with less effort)

Yeah but...Knoll just isnt very good at all that. At least not in my opinion. (and i found very little use for summons outside Creature Campaign) He IS pretty ok as a staffbot but eh...Putting him in battle is a bad idea. That gaping hole where Luck should be means he isnt dodging things and is getting critted all over the place. I think he sucks.

Ewan.....probably sucks worse than Knoll. Yeah ok...maybe Ewan is the worst the game.... You win this round! :P

(EDIT: But srsly guys...who is gonna use that Master Seal on Knoll? )

Edited by Florina, 19 February 2012 - 08:52 PM.

[The Big Kazam]

Don't forget that Knoll is pretty darn cute as well.

[Aversa]

I think Amelia is the worst of the two, because she's so bad she's negative utility. You actually have to recruit her (avoiding her suicidal tendencies, anything that looks at her kills her) on both routes, and she's not even worth it (Ewan recruits himself on one route, and isn't a pain on the other). Wendy at least joins on her own.

[weso12]

I think Amelia is the worst of the two, because she's so bad she's negative utility. You actually have to recruit her (avoiding her suicidal tendencies, anything that looks at her kills her) on both routes, and she's not even worth it (Ewan recruits himself on one route, and isn't a pain on the other). Wendy at least joins on her own.

Amelia is not that hard to recruit Franz just stand 1 space out of here ranged and talk to her next turn, get someone unequipped to attack her, or a million other solution (she only has 4 move, and doesn't move in Erika mode unless your in her range granted in Ephriam mode she moves but franz/ephriam can easily have her in his range)

[Thor Odinson]

Don't forget that Knoll is pretty darn cute as well.

I find Knoll more attractive than some loli and some shota.

Goddammit men with long(ish) hair

Edited by Luminescent Blade, 19 February 2012 - 09:11 PM.

[Refa]

Why do people think Knoll is bad, Summon Rescue is possibly the greatest thing ever.

[The Big Kazam]

I find Knoll more attractive than some loli and some shota.

Goddammit men with long(ish) hair

You misunderstand me, as usual. But I don't blame you. Just a little.

[Florina Stark]

Don't forget that Knoll is pretty darn cute as well.

Yeah...i think thats the best part about him is his character design. I never like, used him enough to even get his supports. D:

[Thor Odinson]

You misunderstand me, as usual. But I don't blame you. Just a little.

I don't like cuteness in humans, after all. They remind me of kids. I hate kids.

Cuteness is reserved for bunnies.

Edited by Luminescent Blade, 19 February 2012 - 09:27 PM.

[The Big Kazam]

I don't like cuteness in humans, after all. They remind me of kids. I hate kids.

Cuteness is reserved for bunnies.

That's rather unfortunate.

[Randoman]

Ignore this post. I accidently replied instead of edited my opening post.

Edited by Randoman, 19 February 2012 - 09:51 PM.

[Joerachi]

Wendy is stuck as a knight.

Amelia can get a horse.

why has this not been resolved

[Jave]

Unlike Wendy, Amelia can actually be trained.

The answer is rather obvious.

[The Big Kazam]

Unlike Wendy, Amelia can actually be trained.

The answer is rather obvious.

I agree. Bench Wendy/Amelia and just use Marcus/Seth.

[Tangerine]

I don't think Amelia is that bad. Yeah, she's pretty bad, but one of the worst two units in the series? I'd call Ardan, Wendy, Sophia, and Lyre worse than her in a heartbeat. There might be more.

So Amelia is better.

Hey, the one item Ardan gets is worth more than all of the named characters combined, lol.

[General James]

If we aren't counting breaking walls or items, then Amelia>Wendy, but not by a longshot.

See, Amelia at least has access to the Tower of Level Grinding to get out of her starting rut and has a parabolic leveling rate. This is in comparison to Wendy who is stuck fighting axe users that easily ORKO her, and can sometimes proc enough atk with a steel axe to outright OHKO her, on top of her poor damage and almost unusable hit. Also, Amelia can use cavalier to function as a rescuebot or a second rate attacker, which is a lot better than what Wendy can look forward to(another fucking armor)

The key difference is that Amelia can become something that has SOME value in efficiency, whereas Wendy can't do jack shit outside of being another dime-of-a-dozen crappy armor. And if you wanted to use an armor in FE6, Bors or Barf were way more usable, even if only barely.

[Renall]

Amelia is, no contest, better than Wendy. She's in an easier game that allows exp grinding. And in any environment that doesn't allow for grinding or abuse, they're equally pointless anyway. So Amelia at least can do something. Trying to "train up" anybody in FE6 is a pain and an ordeal in Hard. Hell, you need Old Marcus's help to train the good characters. Wendy dies to archers.

The other characters mentioned? Eh, I don't think they're even remotely the worst:

• Ardan's durable and his combat is actually okay. He may be one of the worst units practically speaking, but it's not so much because he sucks himself as because he can't get to any fights where he'd be useful. That's a map design issue, not his fault. Plus he can be a dad and pass on Ambush and a good STR growth, so there's that at least.
• Sophia is retardedly underleveled, but at least in theory once trained she could be better than Wendy. It's basically equally impossible though. Still, Sophia finds a promo item and Wendy breaks a wall, so Sophia wins there.
• Lyre is nowhere near the worst unit in the series. Bad in Radiant Dawn? Sure. Her bases are not great. But she can be fixed, at least, if you wanted to use her. Basically you slap any stat booster on Lyre and it counts double when she's transformed. A single Energy Drop is +4 STR to her. Imagine how many walls Wendy could kill with +4 STR!

So yeah, Wendy is the worst. Amelia's just worthless in the context of a game that makes it pointless to bother with her, but at least you can try. Wendy is simply unusable in the context of her situation or anywhere else.

[King Marth 64]

I pick both of them.Wendy and Amelia are both good.

Edited by King Marth 64, 20 February 2012 - 06:05 PM.