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#1 Don Draper

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 11:13 AM

No trade evolutions. No Pokewalker.

Top
- Cyndaquil
- Geodude
- Gyarados (Red)
- Heracross
- Ho-oh / Lugia
- Mareep
- Nidoran M / F
- Pinsir
- Scyther
- Spearow
- Totodile

High
- Abra
- Caterpie
- Eevee (Vaporeon / Jolteon)
- Entei
- Gastly
- Growlithe
- Lapras
- Machop
- Magmar
- Magnemite
- Miltank
- Poliwag
- Raikou
- Rattata
- Sandshrew
- Sudowoodo
- Tauros
- Tentacool
- Togepi
- Voltorb
- Vulpix
- Wooper
- Zubat

Mid
- Aipom
- Bellsprout
- Chikorita
- Diglett
- Eevee (Espeon)
- Ekans
- Exeggcute
- Goldeen
- Hoothoot
- Krabby
- Lickitung
- Meowth
- Pidgey
- Pineco
- Psyduck
- Sentret
- Slowpoke
- Stantler
- Staryu
- Snubbull
- Tangela
- Venonat

Low
- Chinchou
- Cubone
- Diglett
- Doduo
- Dratini
- Drowzee
- Eevee (Flareon / Umbreon)
- Girafarig
- Gligar
- Grimer
- Hoppip
- Horsea
- Koffing
- Larvitar
- Ledyba
- Jynx
- Kangaskhan
- Mankey
- Mantine
- Marill
- Misdreavus
- Mr. Mime
- Murkrow
- Natu
- Oddish
- Onix
- Paras
- Phanpy
- Remoraid
- Rhyhorn
- Qwilfish
- Seel
- Shellder
- Skarmory
- Slugma
- Spinarak
- Swinub
- Sunkern
- Teddiursa
- Weedle
- Yanma

Bottom
- Clefairy
- Corsola
- Delibird
- Ditto
- Dunsparce
- Farfetch'd
- Jigglypuff
- Shuckle
- Smeargle
- Tyrogue
- Unown
- Wobbuffet

Kanto
- Aerodactyl
- Articuno
- Bulbasaur / Charmander / Squirtle
- Chansey
- Electabuzz
- Groudon / Kyogre
- Houndour
- Kabuto
- Latias / Latios
- Mewtwo
- Moltres
- Omanyte
- Pikachu
- Ponyta
- Porygon
- Rayquaza
- Sneasel
- Snorlax
- Suicune
- Treecko / Torchic / Mudkip
- Zapdos

Edited by Jogurt, 05 March 2012 - 07:15 PM.


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Posted 04 March 2012 - 11:20 AM

Gyarados should be a little lower for the sake of Totodile. Why have Gyarados when you'll more than likely will have a Feraligator.

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 11:25 AM

Why have Feraligator when you're more likely to have a Typloshion? Both names spelled wrong, lol.

Slippery slope here.

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 11:28 AM

Why have Typhlosion when you'll more likely have Arcanine/Ninetales? I can do this all day.




Why so low Poliwag. Why not a little higher.

Edited by Tails, 04 March 2012 - 11:29 AM.


#5 Don Draper

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 11:35 AM

Gyarados should be a little lower for the sake of Totodile. Why have Gyarados when you'll more than likely will have a Feraligator.


I cannot make any assumptions regarding what starter the player will choose.

Poliwag is a Pokemon that has potential to rise, I'm just not sure how strong a start he has and it would have to be evaluated.

EDIT: Its in low right now? It probably should rise in that case. Assuming we don't waste time trying to catch it with an Old Rod (5% encounter rate), it'll be available by the time Surf comes in Ecruteak. It has a decent moveset and stats, so I'd be open to some arguments for it rising.

Edited by Jogurt, 04 March 2012 - 11:58 AM.


#6 grandjackal

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 11:58 AM

I cannot make any assumptions regarding what starter the player will choose.

Poliwag is a Pokemon that has potential to rise, I'm just not sure how strong a start he has and it would have to be evaluated.


The soonest Poliwag comes in is Route 6, which is pretty early. Only issue I believe is starting with Bubble, which sucks.

Now, there is a way to get 3 mons earlier, namely Mareep, Wooper and Slugma. Guy at the Violet City Pokecenter gives you an egg based on a phrase you give him, and depending on what it is, he gives you an egg of one of these three. Mareep isn't that much further along, but it shows you can get it before Falkner, and Mareep would be good against his gym. I dunno about Wooper, but I do know that Slugma learns Rock Throw, so it can also help against Falkner. He's also the only fire type until Magmar (who left his Sp Atk on his evolved form) outside of Cyndaquil. All can be trained at Bellsprout Tower. So in the least, perhaps Mareep could be around Geodude's level. You also didn't put in Slugma.

If you're not gonna be on for a good amount of time, I could always control the tier list while you're away again.

Edited by grandjackal, 04 March 2012 - 11:58 AM.


#7 a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 12:00 PM

trade policy?

And we get Mareep before Falkner regardless of the egg so why did we care about lv 1 mareep from an egg again?

Edited by Sho.M.the.Pinkie.Pie, 04 March 2012 - 12:03 PM.


#8 Just call me Al

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 12:01 PM

I was just wondering, could it be possible to put Latias/Latios, Treecko/Torchic/Mudkip, Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza in Kanto tier? They are available in this game's second part. The first example(s) can be caught while getting the Kanto badges and the rest of them can be caught after Red's beaten. Or would that be redundant, especially for the latter last handful of examples?

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 12:03 PM

The soonest Poliwag comes in is Route 6, which is pretty early. Only issue I believe is starting with Bubble, which sucks.

Now, there is a way to get 3 mons earlier, namely Mareep, Wooper and Slugma. Guy at the Violet City Pokecenter gives you an egg based on a phrase you give him, and depending on what it is, he gives you an egg of one of these three. Mareep isn't that much further along, but it shows you can get it before Falkner, and Mareep would be good against his gym. I dunno about Wooper, but I do know that Slugma learns Rock Throw, so it can also help against Falkner. He's also the only fire type until Magmar (who left his Sp Atk on his evolved form) outside of Cyndaquil. All can be trained at Bellsprout Tower. So in the least, perhaps Mareep could be around Geodude's level. You also didn't put in Slugma.

If you're not gonna be on for a good amount of time, I could always control the tier list while you're away again.


I should be good to keep track of it for the time being, but I'll let you know if things change.

I did forget Slugma, but I'm not too impressed with his stats. Awful attack limits Rock Throw's usefulness, and he relies on Ember for a Fire STAB until Lava Plume at Level 38. He's brutally slow too. You're planning on using one for your playthrough though, right? Let me know how that goes.

I was just wondering, could it be possible to put Latias/Latios, Treecko/Torchic/Mudkip, Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza in Kanto tier? They are available in this game's second part. The first example(s) can be caught while getting the Kanto badges and the rest of them can be caught after Red's beaten. Or would that be redundant, especially for the latter last handful of examples?


Sure. I'd even be inclined to give some Kanto Pokemon a spot in the actual tier list if they have some utility.

trade policy?

And we get Mareep before Falkner regardless of the egg so why did we care about lv 1 mareep from an egg again?


For now, no trades. Once we get a somewhat stable list, I'll make separate entries for a traded and non-traded Pokemon.

Final Edit: I'm going to put the Pokemon within tiers in alphabetical order. Assume that every Pokemon within a tier is equal.

Edited by Jogurt, 04 March 2012 - 12:13 PM.


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Posted 04 March 2012 - 12:13 PM

I thought that Totodile had benefited quite nicely from the Physical/Special split of 4th gen. Can you explain to me why he's not considered the best starter? Did Cyndaquil receive a similar boost, because I have not used him (yet).

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Edited by bobflac, 04 March 2012 - 12:17 PM.


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Posted 04 March 2012 - 12:16 PM

And we get Mareep before Falkner regardless of the egg so why did we care about lv 1 mareep from an egg again?


Really now, where from? Cause if I remember correctly, the route to Mareep is blocked by some dude who wants you to beat Falkner really badly.

I should be good to keep track of it for the time being, but I'll let you know if things change.

I did forget Slugma, but I'm not too impressed with his stats. Awful attack limits Rock Throw's usefulness, and he relies on Ember for a Fire STAB until Lava Plume at Level 38. He's brutally slow too. You're planning on using one for your playthrough though, right? Let me know how that goes.


Gotcha, and of course. Will even be using Chikorita, so I actually do have a good use for a fire mon. Team is still under construction though, any suggestions?

EDIT: No, Cyndaquil as far as I know didn't get anything considering the split, while Totodile got Ice Fang and something else. Unless Cynda got a better set of TMs, not sure why Totodile isn't on top either outside of the alphabetical listing.

Edited by grandjackal, 04 March 2012 - 12:17 PM.


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Posted 04 March 2012 - 12:19 PM

EDIT: Its in low right now? It probably should rise in that case. Assuming we don't waste time trying to catch it with an Old Rod (5% encounter rate), it'll be available by the time Surf comes in Ecruteak. It has a decent moveset and stats, so I'd be open to some arguments for it rising.



Well, since there's no trading for now, Poliwrath has some bulk not to mention nice Waterfall stab.

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 12:21 PM

Wooper needs to rise IMO.

It's like Swampert, but not AS Op'd.



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Posted 04 March 2012 - 12:29 PM

If trading is out, Machop shouldn't be so high on the list. Machoke's attack is kinda underwhelming unless it's able to evolve to Machamp.

Totodile is certainly better than Cyndaquil. Avalanche/Ice Fang and Crunch give it such a good coverage, and it's immensely useful in the last portion of the game. Typhlosion can burn Koga's bugs and Egg, and that's it? Good performance in the early gyms, though.

I'd also like to know what Venonat does that puts it so high on the list.

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 12:30 PM

Gotcha, and of course. Will even be using Chikorita, so I actually do have a good use for a fire mon. Team is still under construction though, any suggestions?

EDIT: No, Cyndaquil as far as I know didn't get anything considering the split, while Totodile got Ice Fang and something else. Unless Cynda got a better set of TMs, not sure why Totodile isn't on top either outside of the alphabetical listing.


Cyndaquil is effectively "equal" to Totodile due to alphabetical listing, although yes, I would give the edge to Totodile as the best starter due to more moveset flexibility.

As for suggestions, try giving Nidoran a shot. It definitely hasn't been tested to the extent of FR/LG Nidos. Remember to have your mom save money, and to keep checking with the Pokemart assistant for that Moon Stone (or get one at the Ruins of Alpha)

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 12:32 PM

I thought that Totodile had benefited quite nicely from the Physical/Special split of 4th gen. Can you explain to me why he's not considered the best starter? Did Cyndaquil receive a similar boost, because I have not used him (yet).

Edit: Sigurd Badge!


Being able to buy a Fire Blast TM in Goldenrod makes a huge difference. Choice Specs later on helps too.

Also, it looks like Pokemon are sorted alphabetically within tiers currently, so Cyndaquil vs. Totodile is still up for debate.

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 12:33 PM

Really now, where from? Cause if I remember correctly, the route to Mareep is blocked by some dude who wants you to beat Falkner really badly.


Generation 2.

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#18 Don Draper

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 12:34 PM

If trading is out, Machop shouldn't be so high on the list. Machoke's attack is kinda underwhelming unless it's able to evolve to Machamp.

I'd also like to know what Venonat does that puts it so high on the list.


Machop has crazy experience gain due to it being a trade which should keep it rolling for awhile. I'm just not sure when it starts slowing down.

I don't know what Venonat has going for it either. Must have been Colonel_M that put him there ;). I'll look into it. Most likely due to Tinted Lens.

Edited by Jogurt, 04 March 2012 - 12:36 PM.


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Posted 04 March 2012 - 12:37 PM

Pokeathlon is the most certain way to get a Moon Stone, I think. You could either wait for Monday, or just play around with the clock.

And yeah, you're actually able to access the route with Mareep and Ekans BEFORE Falkner in HG/SS.

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 12:38 PM

Really now, where from? Cause if I remember correctly, the route to Mareep is blocked by some dude who wants you to beat Falkner really badly.

Rt. 32 was blocked? I don't remember that happening. I even caught a Mareep without getting an egg before facing Faulkener at least once.




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