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[Levant Fortner]

I rate him a 1 so I can save the 0 for wendy.

That's why I gae him a 2. I wanted to save the 1s and 0 for worse.

[Renall]

Somehow, some way, he does less in free chapters than Wolt. He can't really chip, he moves slow as all hell, has mediocre durability, and gets doubled by a ton. The only thing he's actually good for is getting stuff from houses, which even Merlinus can do. 0/10.

I think people are rating some of these guys too highly, a lot of the cast in FE6 is incredibly worthless on HM. I understand that Wolt makes some minor contributions towards an efficient playthrough, so I can understand that, but Bors does nothing for almost any one. No clue how inaccurate and mediocre chip for 3 chapters is worth a 3.

Because there are ten numbers on the scale, and everything is relative. In a hypothetical FE where everyone has 0% growths and bases of 1 except one guy who has bases of 2 and 10% growths, the latter is Seth-tier, but one of the former could still rate a 7 if they were a Pegasus or Warper or something.

Rating both Wolt and Bors a 0 implies equivalence and equality of uselessness between them. This simply isn't true. 2-3 is still an aggressively sub-par score. 1-2 is considered terrible. 0-1 is basically reserved for the absolute worst units in the game, and as shitty as they are, Wolt and Bors are somehow not as bad as those units.

[Onmi]

2/10, I've always managed to find a use for him on Chapter 6 plugging up one of the corridors (but not the main battle ground because the dedicated tank unit can't fucking tank) so he has a semblance of a use. He also gets minor use in Laus during the initial charge... when the enemy don't all head north and target the cavaliers anyway. but none of that makes up for map upon map of sucking shit.

ARMOR KNIGHTS NEED REGULAR MOVEMENT! I will keep screaming this fact until it happens, but IntSys still doesn't know what the fuck they are doing. In their minds it makes sense right? Strong unit hampered by movement, useful for chokepoints and breeches. But there are so few choke points and they can be plugged better by a unit not going to miss 90% of his attacks, while the poor old AK is still desperately trying to keep up. Bors wouldn't be a good unit by far (Lance locked during Axes which make up most of the early game) but having 5 movement when everyone else does would make him suck a lot less

[Aethereal]

Because there are ten numbers on the scale, and everything is relative. In a hypothetical FE where everyone has 0% growths and bases of 1 except one guy who has bases of 2 and 10% growths, the latter is Seth-tier, but one of the former could still rate a 7 if they were a Pegasus or Warper or something.

Rating both Wolt and Bors a 0 implies equivalence and equality of uselessness between them. This simply isn't true. 2-3 is still an aggressively sub-par score. 1-2 is considered terrible. 0-1 is basically reserved for the absolute worst units in the game, and as shitty as they are, Wolt and Bors are somehow not as bad as those units.

My point was that a 3 implies that he is about 1/3 as useful as Lance, Marcus, or Allen (Actually more than that.) which I think is incredibly generous. I can understand a rating of 1, if you think that being a smaller liability is better. But, while he can contribute a little more than Wendy and Sophia, it's very close to nothing contributed at all. This is all just my opinion of course. Maybe I don't know of strategies that effectively utilize him

[Raven]

I think Wendy'd have about the same score as Bors really. She at least helps break down that wall.

But my opinion on Wendy is reserved for the correct topic, when it eventually comes.

[Recondite]

Well, the problem is that people think the ratings mean different things. I was thinking about this as it pertains to some of my later ratings. If it actually works that way ( a 3 is 1/3 as good as a 9), then even at a rating of 1, Bors still doesn't contribute a ninth of what Marcus does, so we'd have to give a lot of absurdly low ratings, and Sophia would have to get something like a 0.000004, which is ridiculous. So the only way this can really make sense is if the ratings are purely relative.

[Levant Fortner]

I think Wendy'd have about the same score as Bors really. She at least helps break down that wall.

But my opinion on Wendy is reserved for the correct topic, when it eventually comes.

I don't really consider that an argument, but this isn't the time or place, so I'm not going to pursue the subject further.

[Onmi]

I rate each unit as an individual and how much synergy they bring. Well except for Alance because they work as a duo.

[Epic Fail]

Bors. An armour with crap bases (to the point where he can't do his job outside of visiting that one village, but seriously, the village is a better unit than this prick) and growths that will never make up for them. 1/10, because if you are insane and do train him, he's still going to end up rubbish (unless you go COMPLETELY mad and stuff him full of boots and then you're doing it wrong).

EDIT: Grammar fail.

Edited by Epic Fail, 08 March 2012 - 04:55 PM.

[Florina Stark]

Boris/Bors. That one guy with the silly hairdo.

Pros:
Good base defense.

Cons:
Bad bases everywhere else.
Meh growths.
Bad move.
Can barely hit the broad side of a barn.

Actually, i almost forgot this guy even existed. Also whats up with all the shitty units in this game? Man...
This guy just isnt gonna contribute much to the team. He would make an ok meat shield during those first two chapters but other than that, i cant see any real use for this guy. Even Gilliam was better as an early game armor. Meh.

1/10.

[ShinRPGamer]

Oh Boris your low movement, crap speed (even by knight standards) and lance lock in an axe-fest amuse me so.

1/10

[Hamlet]

Ugh. Bors. Why.

He's pretty useless. Joins in axefest, and his only good factor is his defense. Everything else sucks.

1.15/10 because he at least has earlygame tanking.

[Culpa]

He is useful for visiting villages, and that is about it. His usefulness ends after chapter 3 once he visits the village with Lugh in it, but to take out the enemies on the way to that village he still needs a vulnerary. After chapter 3 he is just going around eating doubles from enemies that are far stronger then your troops not named Marcus, Dieck, or Rutger. That said if you can some how get him to promotion he can tank then ... maybe.

1.5/10 He is still more useful then some.

[Aversa]

1.5/10
What a scrub. At least he's around at the beginning.

[Duff Ostrich]

Fun fact: All of his support partners show up in chapter 8, of which Astol is the only decent unit.

He exists for five chapters no matter what, though he will be worse than Wolt, Dorothy, and Sue. It's difficult to imagine someone being worse than a slew of obscenely weak bowlocked people, but that's just how Bors does things. That's actually how all the armor knights do things. He's better than his sister and maybe on a par with Barth, but that's about it. If only the five worst units were sent to bottom tier he would still belong there.

Saved from a zero by participating in multiple chapters, a luxury many similarly abled characters are not likely to enjoy.

1.0

[Blasied]

His job is to tank. He can't do it and he fails even more at everything else.
.75/10 (at least archers and loldiers won't kill him instantly *cough cough*)

[tiff]

Wolt at least has standard infantry movement and relatively accurate chip damage. Bors can't even reach the brigands that destroy him and his bad parameters and lance-lock.

1/10

[Liquid Snake]

Well, he's got free chapters to do not much in and he's basically miserable all around.

1.5/10. His contributions are marginal, but he can at least fight swordlocks and archers. Sort of.

[eclipse]

I'd have to lug him around to be useful, but dropping him in the thick of things will end badly. At least Roy has the right weapon for the axefest that is the Western Isles.

1.5/10, because he's almost the worst there is

[dondon151]

1.5/10. His contributions are marginal, but he can at least fight swordlocks and archers. Sort of.

The funny thing is that due to the weapon hit and the weapon triangle in this game, you'd have more hit fighting an enemy sword user with an Iron or Steel Sword than with their lance equivalents.