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#41 Anouleth

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 05:27 AM

So did I. But more than that, I wanted to play the game.

Yes, and I'm happy to wait for a translation to be released.

The time you've spent remarking that you want the menus translated is likely less time than it would take for you to learn them yourself.

Except that I enjoy arguing, whereas I don't enjoy fumbling through menus.

Edited by Anouleth, 16 March 2012 - 05:27 AM.


#42 Othin

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 05:42 AM

Personally, I enjoy arguing with reality and winning so it doesn't force me to wait for people to do stuff they may or may not do. But to each his own.

#43 Anouleth

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 04:15 PM

Personally, I enjoy arguing with reality and winning so it doesn't force me to wait for people to do stuff they may or may not do.

I really don't understand what this means!

#44 Rin Nakai

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 10:33 AM

I think he says he has no problem with playing a game without understanding the story if it permits him to argue with you about it.

And I don't think you actually memorise the hieroglyphs unless you are able to read them or it's very necessary to distinguish between them - mostly you just remember that the first option is Wait, second is Heal, etc. We do already have a patch of this game with all character names and weapons/items translated, so it's not terribly confusing to play - you just miss out on the story.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 10:50 AM

Nah. To me, overcoming challenges like a language barrier is a lot like winning a good argument.

If you know approximately what will show up, you don't even need to know the exact positions to identify it. For example, if you know that the command you want has a longish name, and you know approximately where it'll show up on the menu, you can find it easily even if some unexpected options are around it. Also, the commands tend to not share symbols, so if you identify a noticeable symbol at the beginning of a command and just associate it with that command, you can find it easily. All in all, it's very, very easy. Takes five minutes to learn, tops, most of it right at the beginning.

#46 Anouleth

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 11:17 AM

We do already have a patch of this game with all character names and weapons/items translated, so it's not terribly confusing to play - you just miss out on the story.

And menus?

#47 Rin Nakai

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 11:29 AM

Nope, the menus are unaltered (at least in the patch that I applied to my ROM).

#48 RNG Princess

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 06:49 PM

I really want to play this game ^^' I just don't know how to get it

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 06:59 PM

I really want to play this game ^^' I just don't know how to get it


You could buy an imported copy and play it in japanese if you want.

#50 Othin

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 07:42 PM

You could buy an imported copy and play it in japanese if you want.

I tried that, but the disc that was supposed to bypass the region lock wouldn't work.

I wound up just playing through it on emulator and experiences no problems, although I still prefer playing games on the console.

#51 YayMarsha

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 10:00 PM

I tried that, but the disc that was supposed to bypass the region lock wouldn't work.

Yeah, the Breaker Pro doesn't work for this game for some odd reason. I gave you a working method though, so I'm not sure why you didn't use it. All you need is a Playstation game (Chrono Cross disc 1, in my case), a sensor mod of some kind, and uLaunchELF. Works like a charm and it doesn't cost much (if anything).

As for the topic, I'd just like to say that I'm kind of confused how Lionel could be any lower than #3 overall. I can't seem to grasp the concept.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 10:11 PM

I used the hot swap method to play and it works, although it's a little risky.

And yeah, Lionel should be #2 or #3, He is the best unit that on foot, while Raffin is the best for Flying unit, and Narron for Mounted unit.

#53 Rin Nakai

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 01:22 AM

Why should Lionel be that high? Because of Life or Death?

Edited by Espinosa, 24 March 2012 - 01:22 AM.


#54 Othin

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 05:08 AM

Yeah, the Breaker Pro doesn't work for this game for some odd reason. I gave you a working method though, so I'm not sure why you didn't use it. All you need is a Playstation game (Chrono Cross disc 1, in my case), a sensor mod of some kind, and uLaunchELF. Works like a charm and it doesn't cost much (if anything).

As for the topic, I'd just like to say that I'm kind of confused how Lionel could be any lower than #3 overall. I can't seem to grasp the concept.

Yeah, but it sounded difficult.

That and TRS and BS are my only PS/PS2 games.

#55 YayMarsha

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 08:11 PM

Why should Lionel be that high? Because of Life or Death?

That's most of it, yeah. He quickly becomes ridiculous if you stock up on a bunch of Piluims (which you obviously should anyway). If he manages to take damage, he just becomes a killing machine. His movement growth isn't much, but it's still nice to have. I don't remember him ever having trouble keeping up with the others, at least.

#56 Rin Nakai

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 03:29 AM

He also gets full weapon triangle control after promoting, and by weapon triangle control I mean just swords, lances and axes. I'm not sure if you get any benefits from the equipped weapon (I always attack axe users with lances because those hit harder and more accurately, and I haven't noticed my evade going down because of it).

I wonder though, on each of my runs I always choose Narron and then Lionel. Is Lionel really worth never recruiting Lee, who is a mobile mage and healer? You kinda get enough healers anyway, and plenty of mages too eventually.

On that note, there are other characters who get Life or Death, the noteworthy ones being Zeke, Loffaru and Mintz, and all three of those start with it. There are also Meriah, Roger, Estelle and both armoured knights, so I guess those could evaluated more highly?

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 05:40 AM

I don't think the Weapon Triangle works in this game. and Lionel is better off using Lances anyways, but if you want him to use Axes, then Master Axe would be perfect. With that weapon and the strength boost from Lyria's Power Staff, then he'll be taking out most enemies in 1-2 hits, which is great for Arena battles.

Also, the Life or Death skill can be taught to anyone that visits a certain house on Map 30.

#58 Othin

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 07:09 AM

Indeed, there is no weapon triangle, but the access to a wide selection of weapons is great regardless. The option to use swords to speed up and get various added effects or to use axes for the extra power can really be useful.




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