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God Tier

Narron
Krisheenu

High Tier

Zeek
Holmes
Sun
Frau
Vega
Shigen
Lionel
Xeno
Samson
Sierra
Plum
Sasha
Rishel
Rennie
Enteh
Katri
Mahter
Renee

Mid Tier

Raffin
Attrom
Raquel
Roger
Mintz
Alicia
Lionheart
Maruju
Julia
Barts
Loffaru
Runan
Yoda
Zachariah
Estelle
Mel
Lee
Bud
Billford
Lyria

Low Tier

Rebecca
Leteena
Verna
Meriah
Ezekiel
Arkis
Tia
Sennet
Alfred
Ruka
Kate
Shirou
Narsus
Yuni

Bottom Tier

Sharon
Garo
Norton
Kriess
Hagaru
Thomas
Rina
Maerhen

A tier list is being made because this is a great game and more people need to know about it and play it!

Edited by Elesa, 13 March 2012 - 05:36 PM.

[Holmes]

Raffin needs to be higher and Rishel as well.

Also, It saddens me that Tia is on low tier. ;(

Edited by Ronku, 11 March 2012 - 07:42 PM.

[EVE MID OR AFK]

Garo needs to be out of bottom tier, he is actually pretty clutch for some of the earlygame chapters.

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Raffin needs to be higher and Rishel as well.

Also, It saddens me that Tia is on low tier. ;(

Point taken.
Rishel's godlike defense with the Sunflame is more than enough to make it so that u might not ever need to repair the tome.

Rishel is in High Tier below Sasha and Raffin is on top of Mid Tier.

Edited by Elesa, 11 March 2012 - 07:49 PM.

[Doga Blockovich]

Krisheen down if you don't glitch. She's a horrible character, easily bottom tier.

Renee down, she's not available enough.

Frau way down. Unlike Sun she doesn't get Elite.

Raffin way up. Excellent flyer, uses lances indoors, promotion costs nothing, available for almost the entire game. Should be second behind Narron.

Billford way down. He has 3 base movement, what the hell.

Vega higher than Shigen. His sword is a bit better and he's available longer.

Lionel higher. Lances indoors, excellent skills.

Sasha lower. She's a pain to train and you already have Mather as an early flyer.

Marj down. Low movement and crap magic, despite the availability, makes him a mediocre character.

Raquel way down. She can't kill human enemies.

Bud down. Not available enough.

Sierra up. Warp is that good.

Roger up. Excellent skillset and movement makes him one of the best characters in the game IMO. Support with Mel is added gravy.

Mintz should follow Roger and settle for a few spots under him.

Yoda down a bit. Not available enough.

Loffaru higher. He's versatile and powerful enough I feel.

Alicia should be higher than Marj at least. Brenthunder is a lot better than what Marj can do.

Rina to dead bottom. Her strength is horrendous and her availability isn't better. Might be worse than Maerhen.

Arkis higher. He's not great, but he's certainly not this awful.

Lee higher. He's the next best choice after Narron and Lionel as a healer who can fight.

Garo higher. He's certainly fairly useful with those bases, though 4 Mov will kill him.

Kreiss should be near Arkis, if not higher.

Sharon is low tier material. She's not that horrendous.

Seriously this tier list is fucked up. Not that it's surprising.

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Renee

But she can warp your units to seize maps faster and that getting items from random chests will be far less of a pain to do with her around.

Raquel

What about her level lead abvoe everyone else upon her joining time?

Frau

Should go down a bit. But not much. What about her growths that are greater than most characters in the game and that she suffers no movement penalities anywhere?

Raffin

Lower dodge (Low Luck) doesn't make him deserving to go that high.

Sierra

Approved!

Sasha

Not really if u give her wood shields and have her fight off the Zombies in Chapter 8 to hopefully promote her then. And what about her Charisma and Elite skills? And she gets Canto for free as well as Ambush.

Maraju

Yes.

His shit magic and movement makes him worthy to go to mid tier.

Roger

His growths aren't that great though.

Lionel

Nihil can't be ignored. He shall arise higher.

Billford

Whoops. Forgot about his shit movement. He does get great growths though. Because he takes a toll on your tactics. Very well. Mid tier.

Vega

Shigen's revivals makes him more worthy.

Bud

Her dodge makes her worthy to open chests at endgame chapters and having Elite and Dragon Saint.

Mintz

k

Yoda

k

Loffaru

Shit growths and needing plus potions to be any good doesn't make him a good character to use.

Alicia

Yes. Because her Brenthunder has a bravelike effect making her better than Maraju.

Rina

k

Arkis

k

Lee

He also gives Plum the Defense Staff making him worthy to go higher.

Garo

Right. So he should go on top of Low Tier. Approved!

Kriess

Has shit dodge and denies you from getting Lionel or Narron unless u kill him off before Map 26 that is if u don't choose Ekreziel and trying to get Leetina. His low Agi also makes him shit.

Sharon

Well...ok.

[BBM]

I would play it if there were translation patches... I downloaded it, and briefly tried playing it in Japanese. Didn't work out...

[Doga Blockovich]

Renee

But she can warp your units to seize maps faster and that getting items from random chests will be far less of a pain to do with her around.

Raquel

What about her level lead abvoe everyone else upon her joining time?

Frau

Should go down a bit. But not much. What about her growths that are greater than most characters in the game and that she suffers no movement penalities anywhere?

Raffin

Lower dodge (Low Luck) doesn't make him deserving to go that high.

Sierra

Approved!

Sasha

Not really if u give her wood shields and have her fight off the Zombies in Chapter 8 to hopefully promote her then. And what about her Charisma and Elite skills? And she gets Canto for free as well as Ambush.

Maraju

Yes.

His shit magic and movement makes him worthy to go to mid tier.

Roger

His growths aren't that great though.

Lionel

Nihil can't be ignored. He shall arise higher.

Billford

Whoops. Forgot about his shit movement. He does get great growths though. Because he takes a toll on your tactics. Very well. Mid tier.

Vega

Shigen's revivals makes him more worthy.

Bud

Her dodge makes her worthy to open chests at endgame chapters and having Elite and Dragon Saint.

Mintz

k

Yoda

k

Loffaru

Shit growths and needing plus potions to be any good doesn't make him a good character to use.

Alicia

Yes. Because her Brenthunder has a bravelike effect making her better than Maraju.

Rina

k

Arkis

k

Lee

He also gives Plum the Defense Staff making him worthy to go higher.

Garo

Right. So he should go on top of Low Tier. Approved!

Kriess

Has shit dodge and denies you from getting Lionel or Narron unless u kill him off before Map 26 that is if u don't choose Ekreziel and trying to get Leetina. His low Agi also makes him shit.

Sharon

Well...ok.

Renee : Honestly she comes too late to be this high. You don't see Sara at the top of FE5 tier lists, do you?
Raquel : She'll only weaken enemies at best, but it's not like they're that problematic early on, especially if Narron is promoted, which can happen as early as chapter 3, before she even exists.
Frau : You already have Mahter and Raffin for that. She's not very special. Think of her as Eda when you have Karin and Dean on your team already.
Raffin : Who cares about Luck? The guy is available from chapter 2 and gets wings on chapter 10. He has a level and movement lead on nearly anyone and his skills are quite good. There's no way he deserves anything but 2nd place.
Sasha : You can't be serious when you want to leave her as a Princess until level 10. She can barely do anything at base.
Roger : His bases are excellent however. FE6 Marcus with Wrath+Ambush and weak enemies? I'd take that any day.
Billford : Mid is still too high. Even if he promotes nearly right away, he's still not reaching enemies.
Vega : Shigen only needs revivals because his sword kills his dodge. Vega's sword prevents damage to be done to him (seriously, it's a mini Lopt Sword AVAILABLE FROM CHAPTER FOUR) and kills monsters effortlessly. He deserves higher than Shigen.
Bud : Dragon Saint? Level FORTY skill that she needs a Super Proof to get? Yeah fuck that. If you need to open chests, at least use Holmes or your precious Renee.
Loffaru : He does have good bases to offset his low growths. The Life or Death skill makes him even better. So what if he needs potions? He makes better use of them with his high movement and versatility.
Kreiss : He doesn't deny you anything. Leteena is a character that requires too much efforts for the results she gives. If you think his Agility is low, you clearly don't see the enemies with their near constant negative Agility. He doesn't have much issues doubling.

If you actually want a decent reference before starting a list, you might want to take a look at this : http://fegenesis.for...-saga-tier-list

It's not perfect, but it's better than this one.

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Approved!!!!

Krisheenu didn't move because duplicating anything makes her one of the utmost best characters in the game and can rob weapons from enemies sometimes.
Renee didn't move. Warp makes her one of the most useful characters in the game!
Raquel shall move down because of that. But not much. Because of coming with the Master Bow and having a great level lead above everyone else upon her joining time. She is now down in Mid Tier below Attrom.
Frau below Sun
Raffin stays because of shit dodge (Luck)
Sierra below Samson
Sasha stays because of her availibility. Having Charisma, Elite, Canto, and Ambush
Maraju below Leonheart because Leonheart has a horse.
Roger stays because of his shit growths
Lionel moved to above Vega
Billford moved to low tier because of that
Vega stays because Shigen's Dullhan <3
Bud went down to Low tier
Yoda went down below Runan
Loffaru didn't move. Shit growths.
Alicia moved above Lionheart because of better availibility
Rina's at bottom above Marhen
Arkis went above Tia because of better availibility
Lee moved above Bud because he gives Plum the Defense staff and can fight with staves.
Garo moved above Norton
Kriess stays because of his shit agi and deniying u from getting Leetina if u don't choose Ekreziel and preventing u from choosing Narron, Lee or Lionel. That is if u don't kill him off before Map 26.
Sharon went above top of bottom tier for good availibility.

Edited by Elesa, 11 March 2012 - 09:52 PM.

[Othin]

The glitch doesn't entail using Krisheenu, does it? I never actually learned how to do it, but that's what it seems like, and if that's the case it shouldn't have any impact on her rating.

Availability should never be considered for tier lists. If Renee is amazing for the whole time she's available, which she is, she belongs right near the top to indicate that she's worth using for all of her time on the team. She's also the only character with the Warp staff, unlike FE5 Warpers which are interchangeable.

Lionel and Vega are monstrous. Sun and Frau do not belong ahead of them by any stretch of the imagination.

Sennet and Tia can't be rated.

Maerhen deserves his own tier. He's that bad.

This thread does not belong here. It belongs here. If we want people to care about this game, we should show that it belongs right alongside all the rest. And indeed, the board's description explicitly permits this.

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Regarding Kriess:

You say making it more difficult to recruit Leteena is a substantial point against Kriess. But you rate Leteena only one space above Rebecca, the tiniest of margins. The way I see it, there are three reasons why Leteena would be so close to Rebecca.

A) Leteena really isn't that much better than Rebecca anyway
B) Leteena is being (substantially) penalized for her non-Kriess recruitment requirements
C) Leteena is being (substantially) penalized for her Kriess-related recruitment requirements

If the reason is A, B, or some combination of the two, that means you don't get a whole lot out of sacrificing Kriess anyway, and therefore it shouldn't be much of a point against him. If the reason is C, that means Kriess must actually be good, in order for it to matter that much - probably better than Leteena.

Whatever the reason, your current ratings for Kriess, Leteena, and Rebecca, when looked at together, are utterly ridiculous. Unless Leteena can be moved up, Rebecca down, or both, then move Kriess up.

Edited by Othin, 12 March 2012 - 02:00 PM.

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Someone should move this over to the General Fire Emblem thread.

Shucks. Vega should go above Shigen because of longer availibility and having Sol and a Loptlike sword. Done! He is now above Shigen.

Leetina is above Kriess because she's another healbot and Kriess is lower because he prevents you from getting Narron, Lionel, or Lee if you don't kill him off. (That is if u don't have Ekreziel.) Because Ekreziel also prevents u from getting one of the three characters. Leetina is close to Rebecca, because she isn't much better than her. Rebecca also don't learn Elite till LV16 and Leetina has it automatically. In honest truth u only get Leetina only so you can get a healbot with automatic Elite start upon which Rebecca doesn't automatically start with and the Silence Staff which only she can use.

Rebecca may start with a Golem Wand. But u can already get that in the Morse Tower 2nd floor. I should put Rebecca above Leetina. Because she doesn't make any sacrifices to recruiting Lionel, Narron, or Lee by getting Ekreziel, or having to kill off Kriess in order to not have to give up one of the three characters of choice at count Merlon's stand to prevent her from leaving. Therefore, Rebecca goes up. Kriess shouldn't go up, because of having to raise him just to be able to recruit Leetina.

Edited by Elesa, 12 March 2012 - 03:10 PM.

[Espinosa]

AquiIae posted the most recent tier list here - http://serenesforest...showtopic=28003 - so it's a good idea to dispute some of the position in that thread if you feel something needs changing.

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Umm why the fuck isn't Holmes and Rebecca higher. -.-

[Doga Blockovich]

Umm why the fuck isn't Holmes and Rebecca higher. -.-

Holmes uses bows for most of the game and Rebecca sucks.

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Spoiler -

Zeek Should go higher because of his growths and can possibly be the best character in Strat /RPG history if he was permenent.

Meriah should go lower because she doesn't get availible enough and having to use some of your plus potions on her to possibly make her any good.

Rene should go higher because Warp is always a useful tool and making random chests quests far less of a pain.

Sierra should go above Samson because she can Warp.

Frau should go above Barts because she has better growths.

Rennie should go higher because she has Elite and having good growths and is one of the only few characters in the game that CAN actually grow movement.

Estelle should go above Kate because of having a horse and can grow fast with Elite later upon which kate cannot do.

Sasha should go higher because of not suffering any movement penalities upon her class changes. But not much because she gets bad movement upon indoor chapters.

Why is Marshen above everyone else in the bottom tier list? In honest truth he is better off dead.

Holmes uses bows for most of the game and Rebecca sucks.

He makes great bait for troops by meatshielding and luring enemies away from their posts due to his good defenses. I always find that useful in him.

Edited by Elesa, 12 March 2012 - 03:43 PM.

[Othin]

AquiIae posted the most recent tier list here - http://serenesforest...showtopic=28003 - so it's a good idea to dispute some of the position in that thread if you feel something needs changing.

He also hasn't been online in over a month and a half. No point in bumping a tier list that can't be updated.

[Narga_Rocks]

He also hasn't been online in over a month and a half. No point in bumping a tier list that can't be updated.

Well, technically it can be updated. It's just...have any of us mods even played this game enough to properly run a tier list? I suppose I could grab a post by one of you that was made before Aquilae's post there and stick it there so one of you can run the list, but who? Anyway, moving to general fe because the rules say tear ring saga stuff goes there.

Edited by Narga_Rocks, 12 March 2012 - 08:43 PM.

[Othin]

It would definitely be a hassle to update, I'm sure. Given how little actually happened there, I think sticking with this thread is probably best for now.

[Anouleth]

Availability should never be considered for tier lists. If Renee is amazing for the whole time she's available, which she is, she belongs right near the top to indicate that she's worth using for all of her time on the team. She's also the only character with the Warp staff, unlike FE5 Warpers which are interchangeable.

That's not how most tier lists work. You're free to try and make this list work that way if you think it's better, but it's rather arrogant to suggest that it's "wrong" to run a tier list in a particular way.

You say making it more difficult to recruit Leteena is a substantial point against Kriess. But you rate Leteena only one space above Rebecca, the tiniest of margins. The way I see it, there are three reasons why Leteena would be so close to Rebecca.

In general, tier lists don't take recruitment costs into account. If this tier list is doing otherwise, it should be noted in the original post to avoid confusion. The OP should set down any other ground rules. Is the player assumed to recruit all characters? Is the target ranks or turn counts? If there are split routes or gaidens, are we going there? Is the player going to make use of any glitches? In many tier lists, the criteria are implicit but because there is a lack of precedent for TRS tiering, that can't really be applied here.

[Othin]

The fact that this place tends to have tier lists that focus overly on availability does not change the fact that that is wrong. Renee's lack of availability earlier does not change that she is a fantastic choice for the time she's available, and should be used for that reason, and the tier list should reflect the advantages of using her while she's available.

I was disputing Kriess being penalized for existing. If recruitment cost isn't being considered (it should be), then the small cost of keeping Kriess alive must similarly not be considered.