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[Jediabiwan]

Indeed. FE11/12 had a class system with all combinations of the physical weapons; I get the idea this game is expanding on that, using all the combinations of melee weapons and magic. We have Battle Monk/Battle Cleric with axes/staffs; we'll probably have a Troubadour promotion with swords/staffs and a Pegasus Knight promotion with lances/staffs. Meanwhile, we have Strategist and its promotion(s) with swords/magic, and we'll likely see Mage Knights with lances/magic and some other class with axes/magic.

Also, regarding Mage Knights, their FE8 map and battle sprites never showed them with staffs, just like other primarily offensive magic-using classes like Sage and Druid. So it's a safe bet that this class is some Troubadour promotion rather than Mage Knight anyway. Of course, then there's the question of what Troubadour will promote to, since it certainly has two options. It may have a Valkyrie-like class with staffs/magic; as a primarily staff user and promoting from a different class, it could have the opportunity to differentiate itself from Sage well enough to work.

Odd that this seems to project Cleric, Priest, and probably some Dark Mage class all having axes with one promotion option, while only Mages would gain lances and only Troubadours would get swords.

There's also the question of one remaining space to fill, if they're going this route. We have Paladin and Horseman confirmed, and probably Hero, Warrior, and Dracoknight for five of the six two physical weapon combinations. But what's going to use lances/bows? I doubt it'll be Generals again. Of course, it's also possible that they might have lances/axes/bows or swords/lances/bows instead of swords/lances/axes like in FE8 and like Great Knights, which just raises more questions about possible three-weapon classes and whether or not they could be understood as a substitute.

I wouldn't count too much on having every combination possible. Mage knights will probably be using swords and magic as they had in FE4/5, the lances guess doesn't really have any previous class to base it on (but it could still happen, I'm sure they're will be plenty of new classes). Hopefully soldiers will return as playable and they can have a bow/lance using class as their promotion. And yeah, great knights will very likely be using three weapons unless they lose a weapon on promotion.

Also, wyvern riders are using primarily axes again. That's all they are shown using in the trailers and that's what their map sprite has equipped. Also, I'm pretty doubtful on seeing some crazy new combinations like mage pegasus or wyvern rider or something.

Edited by Jediabiwan, 19 March 2012 - 12:15 PM.

[Othin]

I would have agreed until we saw Clerics swinging around axes - then Priests. If multiple caster classes can use axes, surely some can use lances as well.

Mage Pegasus might quality as a "crazy new" combination, but healer Pegasus wouldn't; it's the same as FE4 Falcon Knights. (And FE5 Falcon Knights, but those never appeared in the game.)

Edited by Othin, 19 March 2012 - 12:19 PM.

[Jediabiwan]

I would have agreed until we saw Clerics swinging around axes - then Priests. If multiple caster classes can use axes, surely some can use lances as well.

Mage Pegasus might quality as a "crazy new" combination, but healer Pegasus wouldn't; it's the same as FE4 Falcon Knights. (And FE5 Falcon Knights, but those never appeared in the game.)

Yeah, I'm hoping for a pegasus healer. Especially since we had elincia in 9/10. Hopefully this game offers a bit better choices than FE8 for branched promotions. And please let Krom have multiple promotions, especially if one of those is a knight lord/lord knight.

[Velth]

And yeah, great knights will very likely be using three weapons unless they lose a weapon on promotion.

great knights use the weapon triangle it has been shown frederick's stat sheet near the middle shows swords lances and axes

Edited by Velth, 19 March 2012 - 12:42 PM.

[The Awesomest]

Lances/bows could be a Dracoknight promotion if they go back to using lances primarily, but it seems like it would be redundant with Pegasus Knights. I liked the flip in FE10 so they used axes --> lances, personally, but I'm not sure what else they might get for a promotion in that case. If they get a skill, hopefully it's a better one than Pierce.

A Soldier promotion might work.

Generals in FE11/12 used lances and bows, maybe they'll do the same here. Soldiers and Halberdiers just strike me as Lance specialists, but maybe Soldier could get another promotion with some cool combination.

Edited by The Awesomest, 19 March 2012 - 01:21 PM.

[Othin]

great knights use the weapon triangle it has been shown frederick's stat sheet near the middle shows swords lances and axes

Good find. Frederick's screen also confirms that Great Knights are indeed classified as an armored class, and therefore confirms them as a Knight promotion.

Looking at that scan again, I noticed two odd things with Sumia's scan. First, she has the Pegasus icon, but also a horse icon. So perhaps this means flying characters are now also vulnerable to Horseslayers and related weapons? Odd.

The other is the stat bonuses. Her screen shows her with +3 Str, +2 Spd, and +5 Def from fighting alongside Callum. The Str and Def make sense; those are his best stats, and in fact the bonuses are the difference between Sumia's Str/Def and Callum's. The Spd is just odd, but looking at the screen to the left of it where Sumia is first teaming up with Callum, only the Str and Def bonuses are shown. So it seems the Spd bonus may be coming from somewhere else. Also, both of their overall bonuses add up to 10, and aside from the similar anomaly of Callum's +2 Def, his bonuses seem just as much aimed at closing the gap between their best stats, only not as completely.

Generals in FE11/12 used lances and bows, maybe they'll do the same here. Soldiers and Halberdiers just strike me as Lance specialists, but maybe Soldier could get another promotion with some cool combination.

Well, I don't think they could get away with just lances/bows here. Consider that they'll almost certainly have the choice of promoting to Great Knight, which offers the gain of swords, axes, and +3 Move. General couldn't compete with that by offering just +1 Move and bows, especially when it appears General will not be able to boast a higher Def stat. General will almost certainly need three weapons (or more) to compete, although I'm becoming increasingly convinced that with all of this wackiness, bows will be one of those three to further help set the class apart.

If Soldiers are playable, which certainly seems to be the case with Donny, they'll need two promotions, and I doubt they'll both be entirely lance-dedicated. Of course, they might just have one promotion to Halberdier and the other to Paladin or General.

Edited by Othin, 19 March 2012 - 01:40 PM.

[CrashGordon94]

Looking at that scan again, I noticed two odd things with Sumia's scan. First, she has the Pegasus icon, but also a horse icon. So perhaps this means flying characters are now also vulnerable to Horseslayers and related weapons? Odd.

Or just Pegasi. I always thought that should be the case personally since pegasi are flying horses.

[Othin]

Or just Pegasi. I always thought that should be the case personally since pegasi are flying horses.

True. If they're getting that weakness, though, I hope Dracoknights stay weak to bows unlike in FE10; otherwise it would be getting really imbalanced against Pegasi in favor of Dragons. Not that it wasn't already with that system. The low damage Ziharcher does to one Dracoknight seems a bit concerning for that reason. On the other hand, it would make sense if this is just meant to balance them so they both have slayer weapons as a weakness in addition to bows and magic; in the GBA games, they all had the same weaknesses except dragon-slaying weapons.

Say, didn't someone say something about Dragons looking more like Wyverns, like in FE8? Has there been any clear difference between some "dragons" and others as to indicate the possibility of a wyvern class?

Edited by Othin, 19 March 2012 - 02:15 PM.

[Sakusa]

Wyverns are typically smaller dragons with no arms or just stubby arms. FE8 wyvern riders and wyvern lords had actual arms on the sprite, but the wyvern knight got it right by having an armless, serpentine look.

[L95]

Looks tier one to me.

[Othin]

Okay, that seems to be the standard, then, maybe just to differentiate from dragon enemies.

This is from one of the videos, right? Which one?

[L95]

The 6min one.Uhhh,

http://www.youtube.c...AnZ40dgI#t=226s

at 3:46

So, is Tiamo the one with the black peggy? I know the black pegasus has a rider with red hair.

Edited by L95, 19 March 2012 - 02:50 PM.

[arvilino]

The 6min one.Uhhh,

http://www.youtube.c...AnZ40dgI#t=226s

at 3:46

So, is Tiamo the one with the black peggy? I know the black pegasus has a rider with red hair.

It looks like it which probably means she gets the black pegasus may be the result of a promotion branch. Though there's always the chance there's another red haired Pegasus Knight/Falco Knight since there are usually 3 per game for the triangle attack.(Though there is also FE2's Claire as a DLC charcter)

[L95]

A recolor for a promotion would suck. Even with new weapons or something.

:(

I really don't think she's promoted, anyway.

Edited by L95, 19 March 2012 - 05:44 PM.

[Thor Odinson]

It looks like it which probably means she gets the black pegasus may be the result of a promotion branch. Though there's always the chance there's another red haired Pegasus Knight/Falco Knight since there are usually 3 per game for the triangle attack.(Though there is also FE2's Claire as a DLC charcter)

It's more likely Tiamo, though. If you look carefully on her model, there's the small white clips in her hair as well. I don't think IS will make another peg with the same exact hairstyle down to position of hairclips.