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#1 Helswath

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 04:21 PM

Hey all. This thread was made to advise beginners and correct common mistakes. Since I (and other) newbies often make these kinds of errors, I thought it would be helpful to have them all in one place.

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Edited by Flock of Geese, 16 March 2012 - 10:19 AM.


#2 VincentASM

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 04:28 PM

Sounds like it could be fun. I've written about a few misconceptions before, but I'm afraid I don't have any ideas right now. Maybe something about not ignoring all promoted units or Jagens?

Actually, I think it would be nice to point out that Normal mode isn't always the mode you think it is. See the last section of this page for instance. FE10's Normal mode is actually an Easy mode, but even more confusingly they renamed the modes in the English version so the Japanese Normal mode is now called Easy mode, which fits with what it was designed to be. But now the Japanese Hard mode is our Normal mode...

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 04:33 PM

Never assume that a unit's 20/20 stats showcase their performance. Else you will be ridiculed and mocked to all degrees of stuff.

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 04:36 PM

12-15 is a little high, I prefer 8-10, 12 at the extreme. You can't even deploy 15 characters in many Fire Emblems.

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 04:47 PM

:awesome: I was going to say that^^.

Be clear on who do you want to use, don't use tons of characters because they are cool. It's better to have a small strong army than a vast army full of lulzy units, like the enemies in most FE games. As a consequence, do tons of playthroughs to gain more EXP and make by yourself conclusions as well as considering new strategies, etc.

The idea of a newbie is to gain bases and construct his/her own path *to dawn XD*

#6 Baldrick

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 04:56 PM

Don't be afraid to use stuff up, especially healing items.

"But what if we need it later?"
"I'm bleeding to death NOW!"

#7 Helswath

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 05:03 PM

Thanks for all the suggestions! I've modified the original post with the tips everyone's given.

#8 General Banzai

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 05:12 PM

Most of these are more like "common misconceptions made by people at least somewhat good at the game".

Telling a beginner to use Dagda all game is not doing them any favors.

A proper guide would not say "Macrus es #1 huehuehue" but should explain specifically how these units should be used in conjunction with your weaker units so that beginners don't have shit endgames.

Giving a beginner proper Jagen advice would be "Use the Jagen sometimes but try to give your weaker guys most of the kills. Most Jagens should be dropped around midgame. Some exceptional Jagens, such as Seth and Titania, can be used the whole game--but still don't abuse them early game or you'll have to rely on them at the endgame."

Remember that much of the backlash against Marcus in the early days of FE in America came because people used him too much and weren't good enough at the game to rely on him like a crutch by the end of the game when they had few other good units to compensate. The hatred came from their personal experience of being screwed over by him, not by an inherent fear of prepromoted units. Seth is the same way. People say "lol Seth can even solo endgame!" but he can't if you're a beginner, and advising a beginner to do so is a surefire way to make them ragequit the game.

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 09:07 PM

Telling a beginner to use Dagda all game is not doing them any favors.


why?

#10 Thor Odinson

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 09:17 PM

I dunno man, my first time playing FE8 was basically everyone prepromotes

And Seth saved my entire team from obliteration

#11 Celice

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 11:43 PM

why?

The rest of the post seems to explicate it pretty well :/

My only suggestion for avoiding a misconception is to never assume what people say about units is true, both good and bad.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 03:29 AM

why?


because understanding the proper applications of a unit is not the same as using a unit?

Also PEMN yet PEME

Personal Experience Means Nothing (Just because a unit turned out alright for you, does not, statistically make them a good unit) yet Personal Experience Means Everything (If you have a unit who's been blessed that the tier lists say suck, or a cursed unit that's supposed to be top tier, use common sense.)

Edited by Onmi, 15 March 2012 - 03:30 AM.


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Posted 15 March 2012 - 03:58 AM

Well, it's not a misconception but I think it might be useful to tell them how double attacking is determined, since the games never do. For an actual mistake I made in that regard: "Don't set the pre-battle window to "detailed" or it won't display any double attacks."

Edited by BrightBow, 15 March 2012 - 03:58 AM.


#14 Renall

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 09:32 AM

A unit gaining only a few stats per level is normal. It may not look like progress is being made but it is. If you're worried a unit is underperfoming, go check their "Average Stats" on the SF pages. Chances are they're actually right where they're supposed to be. A lot of people see eight stats and "random growths" and think gaining 1-3 stats at a level-up is bad. Actually, that's usually a pretty normal level.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 12:40 PM

I would comment that focusing on 8-10 units in FE5 will mean fatigue will get you fast (made this mistake the first time I played it...never again). For that game it should be 15-20.

Also, maybe tell them to avoid Est archetype units? A lot of beginners I know only look at the growths and expect most Ests to be amazing without taking into consideration the annoyance it is to raise them (especially with Nino).

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 02:09 PM

2. You do NOT have to wait until level 20 to promote! You can do so earlier, even as low as level 10.

Well no you dont. But ive seen very bad things happen to units who promote TOO early. So i suggest middle ground. Level 15.

(also number 5...well people still mock those who play anything less than hard mode.)

Here's one: (since Banzai already covered Jeigans) Prepromote =/= mediocre unit. Just because a guy comes in already promoted and junk, does not mean hes going to be inferior. In ways, he may be superior. I see a lot of prepromote hate still going on even here. (a few random members) and GameFAQs. I mean, those guys really need to update character FAQs. Holy shit.

Another one regarding RD: Pumping a character full of BEXP before they reached caps is not that great of an idea. (this one i learned myself, just recently) Wait until a unit hits some caps and THEN do it. Because of how BEXP works in RD, you are only gonna get three stat ups each time. (and in some cases, the same three stats) So yeah. Or just use the BEXP trick with giving a unit about 99 exp and then have them level with Combat experience. Rinse and repeat.


Also, maybe tell them to avoid Est archetype units? A lot of beginners I know only look at the growths and expect most Ests to be amazing without taking into consideration the annoyance it is to raise them (especially with Nino).

That kinda boils down to personal preference though. I would say "Avoid Est types until you are familiar with the game(s)." Because seasoned players can make Est types work. It takes a lot of patience and whether or not they really want to mess with it.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 02:53 PM

A unit gaining only a few stats per level is normal. It may not look like progress is being made but it is. If you're worried a unit is underperfoming, go check their "Average Stats" on the SF pages. Chances are they're actually right where they're supposed to be. A lot of people see eight stats and "random growths" and think gaining 1-3 stats at a level-up is bad. Actually, that's usually a pretty normal level.

That use to screw me up alot I was so pissed with how little my characters would gain turns out almost all if them were actually blessed not screwed .

Also the est think really is a game by game basis niņo is a bitch in any mode, Miranda in fe5 also sucks outside of elite mode. Est , Sara and zeiss are quite easy to train up . I think alot of the est hate comes from hardmode players which is quite understandable . I can admit I love est with passion but I didn't have the cash or the resources to train her in manic mode of fe12 so difficulty is a huge factor in whether or not an est is worth it . On easy mode go nuts it doesn't really matter.

Edited by The_Purple_Knight, 15 March 2012 - 03:03 PM.


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Posted 15 March 2012 - 10:42 PM

This is basically just adding onto the 'prepremotes dont suck' notion, but don't be afraid to use units you might drop later. So many people don't deploy or use their best units, and end up making the game a lot harder for themselves in the process. All this to feed a little more experience to bad units; this kind of thing may end up getting those units like half an extra level, at the expense of tons of time and energy. Disclaimer about playing however you want blahblahblah

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 11:58 PM

Here's one: if you're wondering why you're always running out of weapons, beat the maps faster.

EDIT: As much as I am a dick about LTC play, you'd be surprised at how long you can make a 20-use weapon last.

Edited by dondon151, 16 March 2012 - 12:48 AM.


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Posted 16 March 2012 - 12:44 AM

Here's one: if you're wondering why you're always running out of weapons, beat the maps faster.


This is incredible advice. I can't believe it.




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