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[Baby Bonnie Hood]

I've been wondering. Do people watch 1-hour TV shows at double speed if they only have 30 minutes to spare?

[Raven]

Ch.28x

Haha, bloody hell. I turned battle animations off and this chapter still took me an hour. But don't worry, because there are no animations, I think doubling the video's speed like before is justified. So 30 minutes of your time is all that's needed, assuming you want to watch my progress.

It would have taken less time if I wasn't planning to get all the chests. A flier would have been pretty useful, too. I was pretty much blind for half the chapter since I don't remember the order in which the bridges appear and disappear. The amount of times I had to restart because of a single thing going wrong resulting in death... That number is definitely in double digits.

Unit stats:
Name--------Lv.-HP-Str-Skl-Spd-Luc-Def-Res-BTL-WIN----------------Weapon-------------Support
Marcus----18.77-42--21-*26--15--14--16--13-453-298-Sword A-Axe A-Lance S-Isadora C----------
Isadora---11.01-42--18--17--24--18--12--10-144--87-Sword S-Axe C-Lance B--Marcus C--Harken C
Hawkeye---13.18-54--22--18--13--18--17--14-179-117---------Axe S----------------------------
Wallace---10.50-41--20--19--10--14--24---7-144--61---------Axe C-Lance S--------------------
Louise----10.05-32--16--17--18--17---9--14--52--33-----------------Bow S----Pent A----------
Pent------14.03-35--22--23--22--18--12--19--58--45-------Anima S-Staff A--Louise A----------
Harken----11.06-45--24--23--19--13--16--11--34--25-Sword B-Axe B-------------------Isadora C
Jaffar----13.65-34--19--25--24--10--15--11--15--11-Sword A----------------------------------

Items used - Marcus: 1xDracoshield, 1xSpeedwings. Isadora: 1xAngelicRobe, 1xBodyRing, 1xAfasDrops, 2xGoddessIcon. Wallace: 2xSecretBook. Harken: 1xBoots. Pent: 1xAngelicRobe.

I gave the boots to Harken as stated in my last update, I also gave the Speedwings obtained in this chapter to Marcus because I noticed he's had some doubling problems. I would have given them to Wallace, but Marcus could use them more, I reckon. Wallace is fine as a he is - a defensive wall. I also think giving the Angelic Robe to Pent is the best idea.

Oh Cog of Destiny, how I've /missed/ you.

I'll be using Wars of Dragons to get me through with minimum effort. Bottom path looks to be the most efficient. Charge!

[General Horace]

Cog is really much easier if you avoid triggering (most of) the reinforcements.

That being said, you have Harken to help you out, so you should be fine.

[Raven]

Cog is really much easier if you avoid triggering (most of) the reinforcements.

That being said, you have Harken to help you out, so you should be fine.

That's my plan. There's 4 triggers according to WoD, and the one that triggers Vaida and the other Dragon Rider reinforcements is unavoidable - and at least one other trigger must be set in order to advance in the first place. The bottom route is the best since it also allows direct access to the village and much-needed shops. I'm more or less out of ranged weapons. And focusing all my units in one path is better than spreading them all out to face even more unnecessary enemy reinforcements.

[Raven]

Ch.29

The first time I tried this, I got owned due to trying to rush forward, and Pent ended up getting Silenced while Harken got Berserked and ended up killing Louise. This time I turtled and pushed forward cautiously. Efficiency is second priority to survival so meh.

At one point in the video I had to pause recording and playing because I needed to check up Wars of Dragons to remember where the trigger zones were so I could avoid them. The videos took 1 hour and 30 minutes to record, so I sped them up so it's only 45 minutes worth of viewing.

Part 1:
Part 2:
Part 3:

Unit stats:
Name--------Lv.-HP-Str-Skl-Spd-Luc-Def-Res-BTL-WIN----------------Weapon-------------Support
Marcus---*20----44--23-*26--18--15--17--16-489-324-Sword A-Axe A-Lance S-Isadora B----------
Isadora---12.88-43--18--17-*25--18--13--10-172-102-Sword S-Axe C-Lance B--Marcus B--Harken C
Hawkeye---13.23-54--22--18--13--18--17--14-185-117---------Axe S----------------------------
Wallace---11.45-42--21--19--10--14--24---7-178--68---------Axe B-Lance S--------------------
Louise----12.36-34--16--17--18--18--10--15--81--45-----------------Bow S----Pent A----------
Pent------16.17-42--23--24--22--19--12--20--67--50-------Anima S-Staff A--Louise A----------
Harken----11.40-45--24--23--19--13--16--11--48--30-Sword B-Axe A-------------------Isadora C
Jaffar----14.05-35--19--25--25--10--15--12--25--15-Sword A----------------------------------
Vaida------9.40-47--22--21--13--11--22---7---8---6-Sword A-------Lance A--------------------

Items used - Marcus: 1xDracoshield, 1xSpeedwings. Isadora: 1xAngelicRobe, 1xBodyRing, 1xAfasDrops, 2xGoddessIcon. Wallace: 2xSecretBook. Harken: 1xBoots. Pent: 1xAngelicRobe.

Lol, who should I take into this chapter? I'm considering Harken just to give him more of a chance to get his Axe rank to S.

[Raven]

Ch.30

Deployed Harken for this relatively pisseasy chapter that was intended to give the late promoted Hector a boost before shit got hard again. Because the video was so yawntastic I decided to fuck about with it and the boss fight. Still slightly boring, however.

At least Harken's gotten that much closer to that S rank in axes. I really want him wielding that Basilikos in Final.

Unit stats:
Name--------Lv.-HP-Str-Skl-Spd-Luc-Def-Res-BTL-WIN----------------Weapon-------------Support
Marcus---*20----44--23-*26--18--15--17--16-489-324-Sword A-Axe A-Lance S-Isadora B----------
Isadora---12.88-43--18--17-*25--18--13--10-172-102-Sword S-Axe C-Lance B--Marcus B--Harken C
Hawkeye---13.23-54--22--18--13--18--17--14-185-117---------Axe S----------------------------
Wallace---11.45-42--21--19--10--14--24---7-178--68---------Axe B-Lance S--------------------
Louise----12.36-34--16--17--18--18--10--15--81--45-----------------Bow S----Pent A----------
Pent------16.17-42--23--24--22--19--12--20--67--50-------Anima S-Staff A--Louise A----------
Harken----13.04-45-*25--23--19--13--17--13--72--51-Sword B-Axe A-------------------Isadora C
Jaffar----14.05-35--19--25--25--10--15--12--25--15-Sword A----------------------------------
Vaida------9.40-47--22--21--13--11--22---7---8---6-Sword A-------Lance A--------------------

Items used - Marcus: 1xDracoshield, 1xSpeedwings. Isadora: 1xAngelicRobe, 1xBodyRing, 1xAfasDrops, 2xGoddessIcon. Wallace: 2xSecretBook. Harken: 1xBoots. Pent: 1xAngelicRobe.

In case you can't be bothered to look at the stats, I feel like listing each unit's rank in order of each stat. So here goze:

HP: 1. Hawkeye (54) 2. Vaida (47) 3. Harken (45) 4. Marcus (44) 5. Isadora (43) 6. Wallace (42) 6. Pent (42) 8. Jaffar (35) 9. Louise (34)
Str/Mag: 1. Harken (25) 2. Marcus (23) 2. Pent (23) 4. Hawkeye (22) 4. Vaida (22) 6. Wallace (21) 7. Jaffar (19) 8. Isadora (18) 9. Louise (16)
Skill: 1. Marcus (26) 2. Jaffar (25) 3. Pent (24) 4. Harken (23) 5. Vaida (21) 6. Wallace (19) 7. Hawkeye (18) 8. Isadora (17) 8. Louise (17)
Speed: 1. Isadora (25) 1. Jaffar (25) 3. Pent (22) 4. Harken (19) 5. Marcus (18) 5. Louise (18) 7. Hawkeye (13) 7. Vaida (13) 9. Wallace (10)
Loluck: 1. Pent (19) 2. Isadora (18) 2. Hawkeye (18) 2. Louise (18) 5. Marcus (15) 6. Wallace (14) 7. Harken (13) 8. Vaida (11) 9. Jaffar (10)
Defence: 1. Wallace (24) 2. Vaida (22) 3. Marcus (17) 3. Hawkeye (17) 3. Harken (17) 6. Jaffar (15) 7. Isadora (13) 8. Pent (12) 9. Louise (10)
Resistance: 1. Pent (20) 2. Marcus (16) 3. Louise (15) 4. Hawkeye (14) 5. Harken (13) 6. Jaffar (12) 7. Isadora (10) 8. Wallace (7) 8. Vaida (7)

After all that, I do some shit with the numbers and come out with an overal rank for them:

1. Marcus (3.14) 2. Pent (3.43) 3. Harken (3.86) 4. Hawkeye (4.00) 5. Vaida (5.14) 6. Isadora (5.43) 7. Jaffar (5.57) 8. Wallace (6.00) 9. Louise (6.43)

So Louise is pretty much my worst unit in terms of raw stats (and class), although I would argue that her support with Pent should be enough to raise her up above Wallace.

Next chapter should be fun. I have a thing for indoor castle/throne maps.

Edited by Raven, 25 April 2012 - 07:56 AM.

[chococoke]

I hope your have a lot of pure water. The Druids are going to fuck with you, or any unit you put in the slots near Denning

[Raven]

I actually don't have any (I should have kept the one from Chapter 30), but I will suffice with Pent's Restore and Barrier staves, all the while making those Druids my primary targets. Hopefully Pent can avoid getting Silenced.

Everything is under control.

[Raven]

Ch.31

This one made me restart about 5 times, but I finally got a good outcome. The video was about 28 minutes originally so I decided to speed it up to get the whole thing into a single upload.

Vaida got 2 good levels, Isadora got 2 shit levels, Wallace and Pent got 1 okish level each.

Unit stats:
Name--------Lv.-HP-Str-Skl-Spd-Luc-Def-Res-BTL-WIN----------------Weapon-------------Support
Marcus---*20----44--23-*26--18--15--17--16-497-332-Sword A-Axe A-Lance S-Isadora B----------
Isadora---14.48-43--18--17-*25--18--13--10-172-102-Sword S-Axe C-Lance B--Marcus B--Harken C
Hawkeye---13.96-54--22--18--13--18--17--14-193-121---------Axe S----------------------------
Wallace---12.04-43--22--19--10--15--24---8-185--73---------Axe B-Lance S--------------------
Louise----12.85-34--16--17--18--18--10--15--92--52-----------------Bow S----Pent A----------
Pent------17.54-43--24--24--22--19--12--20--73--56-------Anima S-Staff A--Louise A----------
Harken----13.75-45-*25--23--19--13--19--13--83--61-Sword B-Axe S-------------------Isadora C
Jaffar----14.48-35--19--25--25--10--15--12--28--18-Sword A----------------------------------
Vaida-----11.05-49--24--21--15--11--22---7--16--12-Sword A-------Lance A--------------------

Items used - Marcus: 1xDracoshield, 1xSpeedwings. Isadora: 1xAngelicRobe, 1xBodyRing, 1xAfasDrops, 2xGoddessIcon. Wallace: 2xSecretBook. Harken: 1xBoots, 1xBodyRing, 1xDracoshield. Pent: 1xAngelicRobe.

I gave both the Body Ring and Dracoshield to Harken.

It's time to go shopping. I've sold all E and D ranked weapons amongst other stuff like vulneraries, and anything else which is even slightly used and can be re-purchased in this chapter. Avoiding the arena. Don't expect a video for this one. Next will be Ch.32.

[Raven]

As a 31x filler I'm gonna re-do those rank things I did back at the end of Ch.30.

Unit stats:
Name--------Lv.-HP-Str-Skl-Spd-Luc-Def-Res-BTL-WIN----------------Weapon-------------Support
Marcus---*20----44--23-*26--18--15--17--16-497-332-Sword A-Axe A-Lance S-Isadora B----------
Isadora---14.48-43--18--17-*25--18--13--10-172-102-Sword S-Axe C-Lance B--Marcus B--Harken C
Hawkeye---13.96-54--22--18--13--18--17--14-193-121---------Axe S----------------------------
Wallace---12.04-43--22--19--10--15--24---8-185--73---------Axe B-Lance S--------------------
Louise----12.85-34--16--17--18--18--10--15--92--52-----------------Bow S----Pent A----------
Pent------17.54-43--24--24--22--19--12--20--73--56-------Anima S-Staff A--Louise A----------
Harken----13.75-45-*25--23--19--13--19--13--83--61-Sword B-Axe S-------------------Isadora C
Jaffar----14.48-35--19--25--25--10--15--12--28--18-Sword A----------------------------------
Vaida-----11.05-49--24--21--15--11--22---7--16--12-Sword A-------Lance A--------------------

HP: 1. Hawkeye (54) 2. Vaida (49) 3. Harken (45) 4. Marcus (44) 5. Isadora (43) 6. Wallace (43) 6. Pent (43) 8. Jaffar (35) 9. Louise (34)
Str/Mag: 1. Harken (25) 2. Pent (24) 2. Vaida (24) 4. Marcus (23) 5. Hawkeye (22) 5. Wallace (22) 7. Jaffar (19) 8. Isadora (18) 9. Louise (16)
Skill: 1. Marcus (26) 2. Jaffar (25) 3. Pent (24) 4. Harken (23) 5. Vaida (21) 6. Wallace (19) 7. Hawkeye (18) 8. Isadora (17) 8. Louise (17)
Speed: 1. Isadora (25) 1. Jaffar (25) 3. Pent (22) 4. Harken (19) 5. Marcus (18) 5. Louise (18) 7. Vaida (15) 8. Hawkeye (13) 9. Wallace (10)
Loluck: 1. Pent (19) 2. Isadora (18) 2. Hawkeye (18) 2. Louise (18) 5. Marcus (15) 5. Wallace (15) 7. Harken (13) 8. Vaida (11) 9. Jaffar (10)
Defence: 1. Wallace (24) 2. Vaida (22) 3. Harken (19) 4. Marcus (17) 4. Hawkeye (17) 6. Jaffar (15) 7. Isadora (13) 8. Pent (12) 9. Louise (10)
Resistance: 1. Pent (20) 2. Marcus (16) 3. Louise (15) 4. Hawkeye (14) 5. Harken (13) 6. Jaffar (12) 7. Isadora (10) 8. Wallace (8) 9. Vaida (7)

Ranks:


1. Pent (3.43) /\
2. Marcus (3.57) \/
3. Harken (3.86) --
4. Hawkeye (4.43) --
5. Vaida (5.00) --
6. Isadora (5.43) --
7. Jaffar (5.57) --
7. Wallace (5.57) /\
9. Louise (6.43) --

This chapter has seen Marcus drop into 2nd position and is now behind Pent. When you've reached Lv20 and can't gain any more stats unless a stat booster is used, that is going to keep happening right up to the end. Pent's position is also well deserved considering his warping and physicing within Ch31.
Wallace has also gone up a rank, on par with that of Jaffar. He did get a decent level-up, well deserved considering his contribution towards taking down those knights and generals in Ch31.
Louise is doing shittastic as usual, although she did perform well in Ch31 with killing the majority of Archers/Snipers that started on the right side.

[Progenitus]

If this is a challenge run, the fact that you're allowed marcus destroys the whole difficulty of liek the first 90% of the game.

[Raven]

If this is a challenge run, the fact that you're allowed marcus destroys the whole difficulty of liek the first 90% of the game.

It's a pre-promote run (or challenge, as you put it). I use pre-promoted units and see what happens. Considering Marcus is the only pre-promote for the first 11 or so chapters, there's not a whole lot I can do about that, is there?

[I don't play for turns]

Ch.26

This was quite fun, especially since I accidentally placed Pent in range of Vaida on that fort up by the castle on the last-but-one turn. Saved the village. Merlinus survived. The Lords didn't get attacked at all. The 6 pre-promote units performed exceedingly well. Tried to use less of Marcus and more of everyone else, since Marcus is pretty close to Lv.20. A couple of level-ups involved Str and Spd for some units, which can never be a bad thing.

Unit stats:
Name--------Lv.-HP-Str-Skl-Spd-Luc-Def-Res-BTL-WIN----------------Weapon---Support
Marcus----17.40-41--21-*26--14--14--16--13-402-268-Sword A-Axe A-Lance S-Isadora C
Isadora----7.66-40--16--14--22--17--10---7--80--51-Sword S-Axe C-Lance B--Marcus C
Hawkeye----7.55-51--19--16--13--14--14--11--83--54---------Axe S------------------
Wallace----5.10-37--18--15--10--12--21---5--65--21---------Axe C-Lance A----------
Louise-----4.33-28--12--14--17--16---9--12---8---5-----------------Bow A----Pent A
Pent-------7.04-33--19--21--18--15--11--16--19--15-------Anima S-Staff A--Louise A

Items used - Marcus: 1xDracoshield. Isadora: 1xAngelicRobe, 1xBodyRing, 1xAfasDrops, 2xGoddessIcon. Wallace: 2xSecretBook

Typical - I always end up on Jerme's chapter. I prefer Kenneth's. Oh well. Time to pick up Harken.

I love how Pent was already the best offensive unit only right after the joining chapter.

(By that, I mean he's faster than Marcus, Hawkeye, and Wallace, and more powerful than Louise and Isadora)

Edited by I don't play for turns, 28 April 2012 - 01:40 PM.

[Progenitus]

It's a pre-promote run (or challenge, as you put it). I use pre-promoted units and see what happens. Considering Marcus is the only pre-promote for the first 11 or so chapters, there's not a whole lot I can do about that, is there?

I'm just saying that Marcus breaks the game in half if you allow him to rampage maps for the first half of the game (and because of that, the exp/stats he gains along with stat boosters will be enough to let him keep doing that). If you are trying to make a playthrough and be stricter on yourself (as your OP says), then using Marcus defeats the point of that, and you may want to add another rule that limits your usage of him in some way. For example you could not use Marcus until Isadora joins (play normally until that point). That way Marcus isn't like level 15.

[Colonel M]

I love how Pent was already the best offensive unit only right after the joining chapter.

(By that, I mean he's faster than Marcus, Hawkeye, and Wallace, and more powerful than Louise and Isadora)

Now if only Pent had a horse...

...and the Spd stat actually mattered a whole lot.

Edited by Colonel M, 29 April 2012 - 08:14 AM.

[Magnus Blade]

I'm just saying that Marcus breaks the game in half if you allow him to rampage maps for the first half of the game (and because of that, the exp/stats he gains along with stat boosters will be enough to let him keep doing that). If you are trying to make a playthrough and be stricter on yourself (as your OP says), then using Marcus defeats the point of that, and you may want to add another rule that limits your usage of him in some way. For example you could not use Marcus until Isadora joins (play normally until that point). That way Marcus isn't like level 15.

If he did that, then there would be no point in doing the run in the first place. Isadora doesn't come around until Ch. 22, which is already mid game. His entire early game would have consisted of non-promoted units, which was one of the restrictions he set for himself. There's not much he can do about Marcus.

[Progenitus]

The point is, using Marcus liberally until Isadora joins is actually easier than relying solely on unpromoted units until that point, because Marcus is that good. Hence if he's going for a challenge run, he should try to not do that.

If he also used the suggestion I made (do not use Marcus at all until isadora joins), he would also have a more challenging run, because when she joins marcus is base level instead of level 15.

Edited by Progenitus, 29 April 2012 - 07:52 PM.

[Magnus Blade]

I understand where you're coming from and I'm fully aware of how great Marcus is (who doesn't?). But it's just the mere fact that you only have about half of the game of how you wanted to play. If I'm not mistaken, it's intended to be a pre-promote 'only'...meaning no matter what, anyone who isn't second class already is banned period, no matter what...no exceptions. Plus, there are more ways other than banning Marcus entirely from early game to make it more challenging later on. Pretty much reverse your idea and rely on him rarely (Or not at all by keeping him not deployed) when you get more pre-promotes until say...BBD or CoD? He could be stripped from his equipment and be used as a rescue bot or something for the duration of his 'chill time'. They get more levels while he sits out and take his break, hopefully long enough for them to catch up or get closer to him statistically.

But the run is over and done with anyway (And it was quite enjoying at that), so it's kinda pointless to worry about such things now... XD

Edited by Magnus Blade, 29 April 2012 - 11:04 PM.

[Raven]

While that would indeed increase the challenge (from ch.22 onwards), I really don't see the point of doing that - withholding the use of a pre-promote just because he is much stronger by the time a second pre-promote rolls in. To me that's comparable to keeping Pent benched until Renault comes along just because he's the only pre-promoted staff unit until Renault appears. And using only the two Paladins on Ch.22 at base level isn't exactly a great idea, considering the sheer numbers of initial enemy units, as well as the reinforcements. I struggled on that chapter to keep Isadora alive even though Marcus had his level lead. There's a line between being challenging and being stupid, and I think this crosses that line.

It's safe to assume Marcus would have had the Dracoshield even if he were at base in Ch.22, however he entered Ch22 at level 14, with +8 HP, +3 Str, +9 Skl, +2 Spd, +3 Luc, +4 Def (-2 because Dracoshield would give base Marcus 12 Def), and +5 Res over his base stats. Despite these gains, Ch22 is still a bitch when using only Marcus and Isadora, simply because Isadora gets pounded by the Dracoknights and the Fighters. I'm sure base Marcus would struggle just as bad with his worse evade and only slighter better defences at base compared to Isadora. So in a sense, not raising Marcus in preparation for pretty much soloing Ch.22 and helping Isadora stay alive in the clusterfuck of enemy units is more or less suicide.

I understand where you're coming from and I'm fully aware of how great Marcus is (who doesn't?). But it's just the mere fact that you only have about half of the game of how you wanted to play. If I'm not mistaken, it's intended to be a pre-promote 'only'...meaning no matter what, anyone who isn't second class already is banned period, no matter what...no exceptions. Plus, there are more ways other than banning Marcus entirely from early game to make it more challenging later on. Pretty much reverse your idea and rely on him rarely (Or not at all by keeping him not deployed) when you get more pre-promotes until say...BBD or CoD? He could be stripped from his equipment and be used as a rescue bot or something for the duration of his 'chill time'. They get more levels while he sits out and take his break, hopefully long enough for them to catch up or get closer to him statistically.

But the run is over and done with anyway (And it was quite enjoying at that), so it's kinda pointless to worry about such things now... XD

Actually I need to upload Ch.32, as well as complete 32x and Final.

Edited by Raven, 29 April 2012 - 11:26 PM.

[Magnus Blade]

Huh...I must have misread 31x for 32x. No wonder something looked a little strange. XD