Rate the Unit, Day 26: WENDY!
Posted 29 March 2012 - 06:22 AM
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+/- ≤1 point extra regarding personality/appearance is encouraged, but no more. If you exercise your bias privileges, please do so explicitly.
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- Characters should be rated for their performance on all possible routes (A/B / Sacae/Ilia) but should not be penalized for routes they physically cannot exist on (z.B Juno in Sacae).
- "Recruits X" or "takes you to X chapter" arguments are explicitly banned. C'mon, people, this shouldn't need to be a rule. That's not gameplay performance.
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On this day, 10 years ago, Sword of Seals was launched. Does a more fitting day to rate Wendy exist?
Also it's LUKA'S BIRTHDAY and this was irresistible.
side note: bullshit vote that i decided to keep left oujay > treck. what the hell
Posted 29 March 2012 - 06:30 AM
Because she's so pitiful... This is a perfect time to use this.
0/10 (With all due respect, I'd actually go for a negative rating if possible, but as that wouldn't be allowed, a 0 is the next best thing.)
Edited by Metal King Slime, 29 March 2012 - 07:14 AM.
Posted 29 March 2012 - 06:41 AM
Armor Knight in a game where Armor Knights suck
Lance Locked going into the Western Isles
Bases so poor that Nino looks mighty usable
No con, no defense, no anything
And can you believe someone requested I make her a 'Trainee' unit for my hack?
I refuse to give her a flat 0 because that's just who I am
Posted 29 March 2012 - 06:50 AM
This post has one too many extra 0s. Ah well.
Anyways, 0, +1 bias.
Edited by Crashman_Alpha, 29 March 2012 - 06:51 AM.
Posted 29 March 2012 - 06:55 AM
Anyway, do I seriously need to elaborate on this one?
Low level, bad bases, bad joining situation, bad class. And bad growths just in case you are masochistic enough to actually use her. The only reason she is not the bottom of the barrel is that Sophia exist.
Edited by BrightBow, 29 March 2012 - 07:21 AM.
Posted 29 March 2012 - 07:05 AM
Edited by Integrity, 29 March 2012 - 09:19 AM.
Posted 29 March 2012 - 07:10 AM
Edited by PKL, 29 March 2012 - 10:26 AM.
Posted 29 March 2012 - 07:11 AM
Yet one day, I was proven wrong.
But Grandjackal wasn't the only person to hype Wendy up into something that's supposedly "beautiful". Lest we not forget our best friend, Inui, who even attempted to completely justify Wendy and her "awesomeness".
Which means Sophia is the worst, which whatever - arguable, but no one cares.
If you are under the impression that I view Wendy as anything but the second worst unit in the game, you are mistaken.
Also you guys assumed too much stuff and misinterpreted me, which made this annoying.
Edit: I just had Wendy gain one level as soon as she joined. Zealot didn't one-round the loldier with a hand axe, then it attacked Wendy as soon as she came out, and it died. Oujay lured in the Archer, Marcus hit it and didn't kill it, and then Wendy killed it. HOW CAN YOU EVER DO THAT WITH SOPHIA!? I don't understand, lol.
If she misses that Mage, she dies, and the kill needs to be set up for her. Wendy doesn't need kills set up. She can putz around and poke things since she has Hit that is over 50.
Wendy actually can be leveled to promotion. Sophia can't because she can't hit things and dies instantly from anything.
Why can't she be rescued and then dropped like everyone else? Also, she can fight the enemies to the left or something. Merc and a Myrm she can actually hit. Then she can just catch up eventually or never. Thany can get her. Whatever. The point is, she can gain EXP, Sophia can't.
There is none. Wendy is horrible.
My point, as it has been from the start, is that Wendy can gain EXP and Sophia can't, at least nowhere near reliably at all. Sophia needs to fight to get to 10/0 before promoting. How does she do this?
Okay, cherry-picking and maybe slight strawmans, but I never understood why people love to argue Wendy vs. Sophia. It's like taking two bricks, smashing them against your head, and attempting to determine which one hurts more. FFS, Treck vs. Sophia had more legitimacy and (minor) entertainment value than the clusterfuck the former argument had.
In the next chapter, there are Mercs. Even if the Mercs are rockin' 30 Evd, she has 46 Hit with a Javelin. Just tossing Javelins here and there and poking things with Slim/Iron like loldiers and Archers lets her gain EXP and weapon levels. She can eventually use an Axereaver.
There was also our good friend Trueblade, who posted this in the FE6 Tier List.
Also a random note... I didn't realize bblader made a return one day. Hmm... hopefully we can let the whole "bygones be bygones"? Who knows.
The 2nd person of the class group you get is often the best of the set, but there are always abnormalities. In order of superiority in the common class trios and duos or more in FE6:
Percival>Marcus>Zealot (Yes, Marcus is SECOND! Zealot is pretty much Sigurd, as in good starting stats, but ATROCIOUS growths)
Dieck>Oujay>Echidna (of course, Echidna's best in axes, but she's still a hero)
Thany>Tate>Yuno (In my opinion, Yuno should NEVER be used)
Chad>Astol>Cath (Graded in dodge rate and ability to take a hit. Cath is best in the 1st, and Astol is best in the 2nd, but Chad has both in between)
Lilina>Lugh>Hugh (Hugh would be 2nd if not for his variable starting stats)
Clarine>Cecilia (FTLOG, Cecilia starts in a DESERT FOW LEVEL!!!)
Karel>Fir>Rutger (Karel is a Gotoh that gets an addition to all stats upon level up, so that makes him an automatic 1st)
Sophia>Ray>Niime (Sophia's an Est, meaning automatic 1st)
Miledy>Zeiss (Miledy is balanced, while Zeiss is a winged General)
I don't think I need to really state more with this rating. Terrible unit, terrible growths, terrible bases, terrible class, terrible weapon ranks, terrible join time. Anyone who rates her above a 1/10 has to be an obnoxious dumb ass. I'm sorry, but I only speak the truth here. I would even dock her a point if I could... but she's already at a 0/10 and I don't think negative scores work so well.
0/10. Arguably the worst Fire Emblem character in the series.
Edited by Colonel M, 29 March 2012 - 11:30 AM.
Posted 29 March 2012 - 07:19 AM
But the truth hurts. You know what else hurts? Anything that attacks Wendy. For a class whose entire deal is "takes hits," not being able to do that is already a massive failure of role. Her base SPD is 3, her base HP is 19, her base DEF is 8. That means it takes a whopping 10 net Mt and 7 SPD to ORKO her. This is hardly an impossible feat, even for GBA-era enemies, especially in FE6 HM. She does get a little better... but only a little, and only if she gets every level she can, because an early promote just makes her that much more of a joke. And she won't gain any levels, because she's lance-locked, has 4 base STR and 3 base SKL, and her crap-ass durability.
If she were some kind of more balanced SPD/RES tank she might have a minor niche over Barth and Bors, but she can't even do that right; her RES is just as terrible as theirs and goes nowhere fast. She's almost impossible to raise, actively detrimental and endangered on her own forced map, and even if you do stick with her, you end up with a mediocre unit that has no movement.
0/10 is the only fair thing I can give her. I suppose you could try to argue Sophia is worse, but at least Sophia's not pretending to be a class that's supposed to be durable. You expect a girl in full plate armor to be able to eat a couple arrows.
Posted 29 March 2012 - 07:46 AM
I don't even need to describe this atrocity.
She's just shit in HM, and shit in NM.
Posted 29 March 2012 - 07:47 AM
Her bases are absolutely atrocioius. 8Def is on par with base Treck, and he comes with a horse, joins a chapter earlier, and has better stats in everything else. And yet, her class is supposed to be tankin'. It may be her non-hp best base stat, but that's not saying much as every one of her bases is absolutely shit. Her growths are mediocre, while they're fairly average by FE6's standards, they are not helping her get out of that rut any time soon. It doesn't help that she has 4 move, either, so she can't even keep up. On top of that, she can't even hit the fuckers accurately.
I've tried training her once. It was an all-girls playthrough and by my own arbitrary rules I had to use every female unit at least at some point. So maaaaaybe Wendy could be useful, since at that point I didn't have many combat units? WRONG. I painstakingly trained her to 10/2 and it was the biggest waste of a crest ever (although, at least she was the only female crest user so eh). Lilina, whom I trained alongside her, was twice easier. That should be saying something. It was full of pain, and even as a growth unit if you baby her to death, she's not worth it.
Wendy, I really like you as a character. I like how you are the first female captain of an Ostian AK squad, and that's pretty cool in my books. But why do you just suck so fucking much?
0/10. +.5 bias. Would be 1 bias usually on character but the pain it took me to get her to 10/2 takes that down half a point.
Edited by Luminescent Blade, 29 March 2012 - 07:47 AM.
Posted 29 March 2012 - 08:09 AM
It's called "spend as many turns as needed on chapter 8 to get Wendy to level 20, promote her, then treat her like another Jeigan". She actually turns out not terrible. Decent, even.
I guess it's a 1/10 if you only accept non-absurd styles.
Posted 29 March 2012 - 08:27 AM
Posted 29 March 2012 - 08:30 AM
0/10 (I find her better than Sophia, at least Sophia eats sleep staves and gets you a ring)
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