78 replies to this topic

[Duff Ostrich]

She is as much better than Oujay as she is worse than anyone worth actually using. Her offensive bases are good, but her defense is bad. Still she's fast and gets 30 critical on promotion. God knows when she'll ever manage a promotion but the results are better than what you get with a lot of people.

4.5

[Sasori]

I used Fir in my previous playtrough to see what all the fuss was about. She was speed screwed so I'll already start with a -0.5 bias point.

25% strenght growth, 15% defense growth and 5 con are all horrible.

Her bases are alright and starting in axe land makes it a little easier to train her, but she won't round anything one her own unless your wasting the wo doa.

In my opinion she's a mediocre unit who's saved by the swordmasters awesome critical bonus.

3.5/10

[dondon151]

overrated as all fuck 2/10

[-Cynthia-]

Unlike a lot of the units in FE6 that join underleveled, Fir actually gets a decent payoff. She can double with high accuracy and has high natural crit after promotion. Too bad she has fairly low durability and her Str growth isn't so good.

5/10

[Bee]

4/10

I like her, but her strength growth is kinda terrible. She also lacks a horse so that is annoying. But she is a critical machine, so she can at least do something... and she has a cute pairing with Noah.

[Pitbuller26]

I give Fir a 6/10

Excellent base stats for her level, which is 1. 9 strength as a level 1 myrmidon!? Skill and speed, she's expected to cap those. I agree with everyone saying she's "Not Quite Rutger". She's certainly better than most people in FE6 and joins at a time where everything that's trying to kill her will have a hard time killing her. She certainly isn't necessary like how the cavs, pals, and Rutger are but she certainly isn't a waste either. In short she can sit on the bench or be used actively without much detriment.

[Venusaur]

Fir... she kinda plays second fiddle to Rutger, as she's in essence a worse version of him. Even then, she's quite useful, as like Rutger she can reliably double, has access to the Wo Dao, is quite accurate, makes a great boss-killer... Not too useful in efficient play due to her low starting level, infantry move and being generally outclassed, but she works great as a second, though lesser, Rutger in casual play.

6/10

[Colonel M]

I just want to point out to the people that say she "reliably doubles" that she loses 5 AS with a Steel Sword and that once Wo Dao breaks she's stuck with Iron to double with, which constantly fails to ORKO.

Furthermore, Wo Dao can also be used with Rutger to conserve Killing Edges.

Finally, those that say Fir is Rutger lite are dead wrong. Rutger is already promoted and slaying bosses like they're nothing. Rutger is in a league of his own. The gods fear him. The gods constantly mock Fir with needing a heavily competed promotion item, Killing Edges out of reach for a while, heavy AS loss with a semibasic weapon, her shittacular durability, and a slew of other things already mentioned. She has to be promoted to even touch Rutger, and even then he's probably blowing her away. I hate doing X is better than Y, but Rutger is a rare case in general.

Edited by Colonel M, 30 March 2012 - 04:36 PM.

[Narga_Rocks]

overrated as all fuck 2/10

Should be tossed because there is no justification.


if not, then my vote is

underrated by way too many 8/10

Narga stop overrating her.......... come to the dark side with me.

I'll stop overrating when you stop underrating. 5/10 minimum, kthx.

Edited by Narga_Rocks, 30 March 2012 - 04:40 PM.

[Integrity]

Should be tossed because there is no justification.

As it should be, as it is. Haven't been watching this thread.

dondon, put more words in please

[Tyrant Sage]

can get exp from axe users on the isles then runs into a roadblock in all subsequent chapters (read, she's really bad in them until promotion) and never gets out of her hole.

2.5/10

[Orange Crush]

Finally, those that say Fir is Rutger lite are dead wrong. Rutger is already promoted and slaying bosses like they're nothing. Rutger is in a league of his own. The gods fear him.

As awesome as Rutger is, he isn't anywhere near Glass' level of swordplay.

[Florina Stark]

Fir....


Pros:
Can be speedy.
Wo Dao.
Has some fun on the Isles.

Cons:

Starts at level one.
kinda squishy.
sword lock of doom.

I dont like this chick at all. Im not a fan of female myrms i noticed. I kinda like Marisa despite sucking though. Her face just....bothers me! D:< She joins way underleveled and ugh. Most of your guys are hitting the promotion range right around now and shes all being D:. I dunno. She grows better than a lot of other units, so training her isnt terrible. But would you? Rutger is already promoted and raping everything. One of the cavs you've been using is promoted or promoting..Dieck exists for more sword fun...The question is, is there room on your team for Fir? There's no room on mine.
Little brat gets 5/10. 3/10 bias cuz i freaking dont like her.

[Raven]

I just want to point out to the people that say she "reliably doubles" that she loses 5 AS with a Steel Sword and that once Wo Dao breaks she's stuck with Iron to double with, which constantly fails to ORKO.

Furthermore, Wo Dao can also be used with Rutger to conserve Killing Edges.

Finally, those that say Fir is Rutger lite are dead wrong. Rutger is already promoted and slaying bosses like they're nothing. Rutger is in a league of his own. The gods fear him. The gods constantly mock Fir with needing a heavily competed promotion item, Killing Edges out of reach for a while, heavy AS loss with a semibasic weapon, her shittacular durability, and a slew of other things already mentioned. She has to be promoted to even touch Rutger, and even then he's probably blowing her away. I hate doing X is better than Y, but Rutger is a rare case in general.

There are many units who consistently fail to ORKO, so don't hold it against Fir just because she can bring many enemy units down to single-digit HP with a mere Iron Sword. And it's not as if Fir is going to be the only unit on the field - she will be taking some enemies on alone, as well as finishing off units that have already been damaged. Just because Rutger is better when Fir joins, that's no reason to stamp Fir into the dirt. This whole thing should be done on Fir, and Fir alone. Comparing units to other units in their topics really skews the whole thing up.

[Thor Odinson]

Florina, please remember that bias only accounts for ONE point and not two.

[Sangyul]

I think Florina has mentioned before that she doesn't want her bias score counted in the votes.

[Florina Stark]

I think Florina has mentioned before that she doesn't want her bias score counted in the votes.

Exactly. Its why its a separate score altogether. Its how ive been doing it since the very beginning. Because the real worth of a unit is often lower or higher than my opinion of them.

[Duff Ostrich]

There are many units who consistently fail to ORKO, so don't hold it against Fir just because she can bring many enemy units down to single-digit HP with a mere Iron Sword. And it's not as if Fir is going to be the only unit on the field - she will be taking some enemies on alone, as well as finishing off units that have already been damaged. Just because Rutger is better when Fir joins, that's no reason to stamp Fir into the dirt. This whole thing should be done on Fir, and Fir alone. Comparing units to other units in their topics really skews the whole thing up.

Fir isn't bringing everyone down to single digit hp with an iron sword when she joins, which is why her combat is being held against her. All she's even doubling at base are steel axemen. She gets fast pretty quick, but she's hurt by poor constitution and the need to be fed kills until her speed gets good, and she is always frail. Rutger could not exist and she would still be sub par.

[-Cynthia-]

All she's even doubling at base are steel axemen.

Not a very accurate statement. Fir's 13 base AS doubles everything with 9 AS or lower, which seems to be most of the enemies in C9, excluding the boss, mercs, and the odd pirate.

[Duff Ostrich]

And here I look like a fool for checking chapter 11's enemy stats :/ Sorry about that. Cynthia is correct.

EDIT: I'm just noticing how bad c9 and c10 enemies are. Base Marcus looks great here.

Edited by Duff Ostrich, 30 March 2012 - 07:33 PM.