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[Skyward]

Bold: So he claims this power role that's pretty amazing, but mysteriously 'fails' whenever he can prove it. So, if we believe him, we can't lynch him due to the factor of bringing back the dead. Thus, we lynch other people. Which is exactly what the mafia wants.

Now, here's my theory of what happened. Manix is not actually a reviver, and just claimed roleblocked to last longer. The reason he did this was for WIFOM purposes. Namely, to bring up comments like the one bolded. I mean, apparently we now have three methods of revival, if we are to believe Spike and Manix. I find it highly likely that one or the other is lying.

Except there's nothing preventing us from rooting out and lynching other members of the mafia, if we can manage it, of course. IMO, it's best to leave Manix alone until he either proves his role or we're positive he's mafia. His roleclaim was begging for a roleblock or redirector or whatever; It's very possible he is indeed town and got blocked. And, again, would mafia REALLY let their fellow mafia member claim Reviver (regardless of whether or not that is their real role), when it's universally recognised as a stupid move?

Scum would never have let something like that slip, and again, we can ignore him for now; If he's town, awesome for us, ties up scum roleblocker/redirector/whatever too if he exists. If he's mafia, once he revives Marth he's dead and gone.


also impressions and shit


me - amazing activity

Eclipse - I... can't pull anything for this. I guess it's because she's taken more of a back seat in this game, so it's a lot more difficult to read her compared to previous games.

Kay - Leaning slightly towards town, because of the post restriction. I also agree with her view WRT Manix, which I explained earlier, so nyeh.

BBM - Neutral now. Haven't seen anything from him WRT Manix and who to lynch since the first day of this cycle, needs to stop talking about characters and also start being more active around... now. (I'm aware of how hypocritical this is.)

Shinori - Gut feeling is town, though I don't really see much from him. Bleh.

StSS - Due to the nature of Ether's post restriction (on a not-so-active townie wut), don't think the PR says anything about that. Also neutral on this, don't have many impressions of him WRT this game.

Snike - IDK, man, Paperblade had kinda shitty/inactive play when he was around. Also not really feeling your argument for voting Manix.

Iris - stop being busy =(

Kaoz - Can't get over your constant pushing of Manix during C2 and early part of this cycle. Again, you seemed a little too forceful in the way you've been trying to get him lynched, and that doesn't sit well with me.

Manix - I do believe he's town, and again, can be ignored as a lynch candidate for now. Stupid move was stupid, but he's been able to convince me, at least.

Spike - You're basically Iris who whines about not being given info on C2.


##Vote Spike

I don't care that you were kidnapped; that would have given you 5 days to look over all of C2 and form an opinion on it. Also, all your posts this cycle have been you whining about "why won't anyone give me info i should have found myself =(" with one post about Manix... where you also whined about a lack of GS knowledge. It's almost 7pm your time, and I'm sure you can get your ass in here and contribute something.

Also, WRT popcorn!character claiming, I'm good with the idea once we go into C4.

[Stahlypin]

My intention never was too whine, and stop fucking doing the thing where you put things between quotes and make try to make it look silly.

"Spike you suck "lol i dunno about gs =(" haha vote"

Anyway, I'm trying to sub out. I asked Proto if there was any available subs and he hasn't answered yet.

[Manix]

I heard that I should be voting, so here I am.

##Vote: Snike

Mostly because I didn't like Paperblade's arguments when he was around, and seems to be pushing the fact that I could be mafia reviver too far. Kaoz pushed it, but not even this far. Makes me think he's mafia, and he already knows this, but is being very vocal about it to try and avoid having to NK me, and safely use the NK on someone else, meaning we lose two town anyway, if I get lynched.

Opinions can be later, this was a cameo appearance. Manix out~

[Manix]

"and he already knows this"

To clarify that, I meant that he already knows I'm not mafia, and wants me gone.

[BBM]

Here are more detailed impressions. It's not really ordered in any way.

Shinori- Bizz wasn't mafia and was presumably not lying about receiving a gift. It's possible he gave the gift to make himself seem more townie, but I don't think he's mafia.

Aurora- Meh. I don't have much of a read here.

Strawman- He's seemed fairly townie to me in past cycles, although he's been a bit inactive this one.

Eclipse- I'll borrow a phrase that Kay used to describe me: "He's said some suspicious things, some pro-town things, and he's I'm too new for me to use meta." The main thing I find suspicious is how adamant you are that claiming characters will help only mafia. If we're to believe what Manix said about him being Garet, I would never think of Garet being a Reviver because anyone can use the Tomegathericon, and IIRC, none of Garet's actual class options can learn Revive. Nor would I have pegged Felix as a Tracker.

Manix- Eh... I still don't think we can rule out the possibility of it being a trick yet. I agree with Snike in that however stupid the move might be, he's survived. We didn't lynch him last cycle, and we're probably not lynching him this cycle.

Iris- What a couple people have been saying is true; Iris has mostly just stayed on the sidelines this whole game. I hear that she's got a busy real life atm, but she hasn't requested for a sub either.

Spike- Hasn't said anything much this whole cycle. He's said that that's because he didn't read the C2 posts, but hell, there's pretty much as many in C0. We didn't talk much in C2. Am I the only one who feels it's an excuse? How hard would it have been to just keep up with the thread and not post?

Snike- I'm getting lazy after typing all these impressions and all, and I think I've said enough last cycle about why I found Paperblade's actions suspicious. To reiterate, his last post on C1 seemed like he was trying to distance himself from Marth. To be fair though, all my suspicions on Snike are based off Paperblade. Nothing he himself has done has seemed wrong.

Kaoz- He pushed kind of hard for Manix C2... But he was also the one who suggested we claim characters, and he was fine with saying his character name first if people thought him one of the scummiest- that doesn't seem very scummy to me. It would put him at a pretty serious disadvantage if he was mafia.

[Kaoz]

I believe more people have brought this up, but I'm only quoting one to keep it cleaner.

Kaoz - Can't get over your constant pushing of Manix during C2 and early part of this cycle.

I'm not quite sure what you're talking about here to be honest. My actual argument went on for a bit more than 20 (I believe 23) posts, every comment I made after that was in response to someone else bringing it up again, either clarifying something or putting things into what I felt was a proper relation.
Especially during this cycle I didn't push for his lynch at all.

 

That being said, I won't really be around tomorow, I'll try to post elaborate opinions on everyone before leaving though. Partly because of that, I will also

##Vote: Spike

for now since I'd really like to hear something from his slot, either from him or his sub.

[BBM]

Oh yeah, I forgot- ##Unvote Manix

Not quite sure about who to vote for yet. Split between Spike, Snike, and Eclipse.

[Manix]

Also, while I remember; The mafia is likely to target me for their nightkill. And I'm ready for it.

Twas fun while it lasted, I guess.

[Manix]

also, I won't be around for the deadline in ~5 hours (if you all forgot about the deadline).

School time.

[Snike]

Mostly because I didn't like Paperblade's arguments when he was around, and seems to be pushing the fact that I could be mafia reviver too far.

Now, here's my theory of what happened. Manix is not actually a reviver, and just claimed roleblocked to last longer. The reason he did this was for WIFOM purposes. Namely, to bring up comments like the one bolded. I mean, apparently we now have three methods of revival, if we are to believe Spike and Manix. I find it highly likely that one or the other is lying.

RTFT. I am skeptical of the claims that there are 2-3 revivers in this game. You're not helping your case.

[Manix]

And guess what? I know what I am, and I know what results I got. There was NO flavor as to why my result didn't work, and I was pretty annoyed that it didn't work.

And also, with the amount of djinn present, it's entirely possible that multiple revive possibilities could be present. Ever considered that possibility? I highly doubt it. I'm sure I made a comment earlier (like, in C0) about the possible setup being completely skewed because of all the possible djinn. Think about what you're saying before you say it, please.

Also, as a note: I'm not reviving this cycle, I'm using my djinn. So if anything gets revived, it's not me.

Edited by Manix, 17 April 2012 - 05:48 PM.

[Snike]

And also, with the amount of djinn present, it's entirely possible that multiple revive possibilities could be present. Ever considered that possibility? I highly doubt it. I'm sure I made a comment earlier (like, in C0) about the possible setup being completely skewed because of all the possible djinn. Think about what you're saying before you say it, please.

Also, as a note: I'm not reviving this cycle, I'm using my djinn. So if anything gets revived, it's not me.

With all due respect, I doubt the host left it so laissez-faire as to have a town have 3 revives, djinns included. That's the ability to raise 20% of the players. Which is, you know, slightly ridiculous.

I don't necessarily understand why you're getting so testy when I'm not even pushing for an immediate lynch on you at the moment.

[Shinori]

Sorry i haven't been around much lately, life randomly got busy, if things don't slow down real soon, I'll request a sub out.

A smaller list of people who are town to mafia im gonna say is

BBM - Seems like noob town, like me, and has that way the whole game.
Manix - Seems town to me, i don't nescarilly believe the role claim but that's one ballsy move if he's mafia.
Strawman - Thinking he's town, As i'm thinking the people who were afflicted by the posting restriction are most likely town.
Kaoz - Seem's town to me. Also i believe since ehter had been targeted by the post restrictor he also looks fairly town.
Kay - Nuetral, leaning town i think, Has been helpful most of the game, I get more townie vibes from her more than anything.
JB - I'm neutral about Aurora, Seem's mostly town though.
eclipse - Neutral here, I don't know, Has been weirdly inactive for part of the game, more active than me this cycle and i believe cycle 2 as well. I'm bad at this reading thing.
Iris - I forget about iris, partially neutral - leaning mafia though.
Snike - Seems scummy, partially because of how paperblade was and how hea cted before coming into the game, which isn't his fault, but still a better of a bet on him than most people in this game to me.
Spike - Iono, Seems scummy to me, Rapier suspected him and he was town, has been suspected by other people, hasn't helped much this cycle, said he didn't read cycle 2. Also asking for a sub though so could swing any other way.

##Vote: Snike for now, Seem's like the best bet from my point of view, I'll do some quoting and post some other reasons when i get back from dinner MOST LIKELY.

[Lævateinn]

More subs

SPIKE/STOLYPIN NECKTIE HAS BEEN REPLACED BY EXCELLEN. IRIS HAS BEEN REPLACED BY THETINYIMP

Because of this, the phase has been extended by 22 hours. Cycle 3 will now end at 2 AM 19th April 2012

Also, votals

• Joshaymin/Aurora
• Clipsey!/eclipse
• Kay/Centurion (1) - Clipsey!
• BigBangMeteor
• Prims (died C1)
• Domu/Rapier (lynched C2)
• Shinori
• Strawman/StrawSloththeSawSlothStraw
• Snike (subbing in for Paperblade) (3) - Iris, Manix, Shinori
• Impy/TheTinyImp (subbing in for Iris~) (1) - Snike
• Kaoz (subbing in for Ether) (1) - Kay
• Manix (0) - Shinori, BigBangMeteor, Clipsey!, Snike
• Blues/Marth (lynched C1)
• Daigoji Excellen (subbing in for Spike/Stolypin Necktie) (2) - Kay, Joshaymin, Kaoz
• Bizz/Levantamos (died C2)

Edited by Luster Purge, 17 April 2012 - 07:14 PM.

[BBM]

So... many... extensions... Well, that one was actually good because I just got my internet connection back after three hours, and I was afraid I'd missed the voting deadline.

[Sawslothducksaucestrawman]

I should probably be quoting things and responding to them in this post, but its late and Im tired and I havent been on here recently and I just need to get stuff down on the internet.
Sorry for my crappy activity, Last two weeks of school means I have tons of crap due and almost no free time.

BBM - noob town
Shinori - crazy town.
Manix - prior reviver claim logic
Kay - neutral, decent posts imo
Aurora - almost too neutral imo. Don't really have a strong read on you.
Excellen - Spike was lower neutral, a little iffy though
Snike - Honestly not much of a read
TinyImp - Iris had like no activity so thats kinda sketchy, not that I can talk.
Kaoz - I gave my opinion on you fully earlier, doesn't seem like you.
Eclipse - Either I have you figured out as for sure town or I have you figured out as for sure mafia.

That is in order of popcorn character claim whatever too. Starting at bottom.

I'll try and contribute more tomorrow hopefully.

[Skyward]

strawman remember your post restriction

ALSO NOOOOOOOO IRIS ;~;

##Unvote

[eclipse]

BBM, JUST FOR YOU!

It's far too early to be doing it, and I can't see the town gaining anything useful from it.

Repeat this to yourself until it sinks in. What use are a bunch of character names to the town?

Clips - Null read, which worries me.

Because I didn't vote for you seriously? I apologize for not ACTIVELY PUSHING for a lynch, but there's a reason for this.

Clipsey!/eclipse - asdf something really doesn't seem right about her. She's not doing much at all to actually create discussion, and this isn't even "Oh, Clipsey's not half the game" not creating discussion, it's that she's doing nothing but occasionally sniping at a few things and pressuring people early in the phase. I'm just not getting the sense that she has much of an actual opinion on anything, either. Plus I don't like how suspicious she seemed to be of Paperblade combined with her scumlist making it sound like Snike hasn't done anything of note. Which he hasn't, but as much as I wanted to hear what he has to say, it doesn't mean he gets a blank slate.

As opposed to parking my vote on the wagon du jour right before phase ends, right? Or otherwise echoing everyone's opinions about everyone else?

Snike has his hands full with RL stuff, so that's why I want to wait and see what he says. I think I know what was up with Paperblade, but I'm not saying it here, later, postgame, or ever. If he wants to talk about it, he can (which has nothing to do with this game, and thus does not constitute as OC). Those of you who hang out regularly in the mafia channel might know what I'm talking about.

Eclipse - I... can't pull anything for this. I guess it's because she's taken more of a back seat in this game, so it's a lot more difficult to read her compared to previous games.

I guess this is my cue to be more aggressive? Hell, I can start with the next person.

Eclipse- I'll borrow a phrase that Kay used to describe me: "He's said some suspicious things, some pro-town things, and he's I'm too new for me to use meta." The main thing I find suspicious is how adamant you are that claiming characters will help only mafia. If we're to believe what Manix said about him being Garet, I would never think of Garet being a Reviver because anyone can use the Tomegathericon, and IIRC, none of Garet's actual class options can learn Revive. Nor would I have pegged Felix as a Tracker.

What did YOU learn from Manix's claim?

This information neither helps nor hurts me. I don't know is what other tricks the mafia has. What may seem like useless information to you (assuming you're town) may be extremely useful to someone else, and you'd best hope that "someone else" is on your side.

eclipse - Neutral here, I don't know, Has been weirdly inactive for part of the game, more active than me this cycle and i believe cycle 2 as well. I'm bad at this reading thing.

. . .and if everything goes according to RL plans, I'm gonna be inactive for the next couple of days. My laundry is more important than this game.

I'm strongly objecting to something (the popcorn claim), and this means that I don't have an opinion. I'd like it if people were to read what I'm trying to do, even if I'm not constantly objecting to every little thing and then some.

Eclipse - Either I have you figured out as for sure town or I have you figured out as for sure mafia.

Make up your mind.

If I must claim, I will, but I'd rather not. . .but if I do claim, you guys had best listen to what I say afterwards, because we're running out of time.

[Kay]

Kaoz- He pushed kind of hard for Manix C2... But he was also the one who suggested we claim characters, and he was fine with saying his character name first if people thought him one of the scummiest- that doesn't seem very scummy to me. It would put him at a pretty serious disadvantage if he was mafia.

Wait, did I miss something? I don't remember Kaoz suggesting that. You do have a point about that not being very scummy of him, though.

RTFT. I am skeptical of the claims that there are 2-3 revivers in this game. You're not helping your case.

Well, what do you think Flash, Dew, Quartz, and Tinder would do, then? Balance aside, I think it's quite likely that a lot of Djinn had reviver abilities. The question is just how many got picked. A better argument would be that it's strange for anyone to have Reviver as their role in addition to that. And I do think the flavor for that is sorta odd-sounding.


##Unvote (Kaoz) because he's starting to look somewhat more okay.
##Vote: Snike because I still don't like him either, and there's not much of anywhere else that my vote would help right now, and I don't want the mafia to be able to mess with the lynch with any vote changing stuff.


Excellen, make yourself useful as soon as possible, please. If you have time to post that you need to read the thread, you probably have time to skim a page or two and give us a few initial opinions.

[eclipse]

Oh crap invisible posts!

Excellen has two modes: Fall off the face of the planet and post in the next three hours. I hope he's not in the former mode.