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[Peekayell]

Dat Rules (borrowed/stolen from Integrity)
- Ratings are assumed to be on Hard Mode+Fixed Mode.
- Votes need some explanation regarding their gameplay performance to be counted. If somebody else said what you want to already, quote them explicitly.
+/- ≤1 point extra regarding personality/appearance is encouraged, but no more. If you exercise your bias privileges, please do so explicitly.
- Numerical votes out of 10, or something proportional to it. Make it easy to calculate for my sake.
- Every ranking phase ends whenever I get out of bed, between 0700 and 0800 EST. Do the math for your timezone, Brits.
- I will insist you do not use the "Not X" reason on any character, where X is another unit. If you do, your vote will be thrown out.
- "Recruits X" or "takes you to X chapter" arguments are explicitly banned. C'mon, people, this shouldn't need to be a rule. That's not gameplay performance.
- Assume that the character in question is being recruited.
- Similar to the "Recruits X" rule, do not use "she brings a Knight Ward to the team" as an argument.
- BEXP is free to be used in any quantity on any character.
- I withhold the privilege to tell you your rating is bogus and demand you revise it if it breaks any of the above. I will not throw out votes anonymously, you will be informed and given a chance to revise.

Averages:
Shinon: 3
Soren: 5.152
Rhys: 5.315
Gatrie: 5.463
Mia: 5.708
Boyd: 8.293
Ike: 8.567
Oscar: 9.075
Titania: 9.91

[ポーラ]

Failure in Spd. Averaging no more than 13.2 in her first class. She does get great Res though. My recommendations for supporting her is either with Zihark, or Mordecai. Lucia comes too late and Mia's support affinity will give her extra boosts that she don't need. It is advised to forge her a tome with less weight to have her double better. She might need one of the two Seraph Robes too. (Recommended) She also better get Adapt too to get her to double some enemies that normally she can't ever double. Shade is useful, especially for fetish fanboys of her. =) Also having good Str growth in the game than any other Mag user but Calill is going to guarantee to get her to use any tome later on without any Spd loss.

So.....

NM
8/10

HM
7.5/10

[Zeem]

I love using Ilyana, but there are some bad things about her.

She doesn't attack you in her joining chapter unless you attack her, which is nice, but it's not like she poses a threat. Her bases are...not the best at this point in the game. The main problems with her are her SPD, DEF, and HP, and it doesn't help that thunder tomes are heavy. Her 30% SPD growth, 45% HP growth, and 15% DEF growth (her base is 3, for Christ's sake!) will not help her in the long run at all.

Now onto the good stuff: Ilyana has Shade, so enemies will probably not attack her, which is helpful.. Aside from the earlier complaints about her growths, the rest of them are competent.

Soren may have the availability lead over her, which makes him more usable. But thunder magic > wind magic. If Ilyana's SPD gets better, she'll be a killing machine.

4/10, +.5 bias for:

4.5/10

Edited by ZM456, 05 April 2012 - 01:53 PM.

[Elieson]

Considering I'm recruiting her now, I can't say. She has lower growths than Soren in everything, barring luck, str, and tied HP. That str means she won't be roughed down by better spells later on, like her Elthunder.

She prefers a better magic type over Soren, but still seems like a lesser unit IMO.

Also, as delicious as her Light support is, giving her unneeded accuracy, it does, Morde gives her much appreciated Def, and Zihark/Lucia give her huge avoid.

Also, dat Shade increases her survivability, given her low defensive parameters.

6 for me. It's all theorycraft, but I think it makes sense.

Edited by Elieson, 05 April 2012 - 08:04 AM.

[Rejected Lifeform]

The thing that I love about Ilyana is her access to Thunder tomes which is nice to fry down those pesky Dragons and crit the crap out of anything unfortunate.

Oh, sure... She may be an inferior unit; but she does have a better Support pool which comes in the form of Zihark (She wants that AVOID) and Mordecai (Full DEF bonuses) in my books that is...

Add the Shade to her survivability parameters; since her low DEF is a magnet for enemies; Ugh.

Oh, and remember to feed her a Speedwing just in case if her stomach is being a meanie.

5.5

But with OM NOM NOM BIAS POWERS and the BLESSINGS OF PACMAN AND KIRBY DEVOURING EVERYTHING...

6.5

Edited by Frostbite, 05 April 2012 - 08:23 AM.

[Aquaman]

3/10

+.5 bias.

Well, lower spd/magic than Soren.

But heck, she has a higher THunder rank and comes with elthunder.
Also, her str growth is high for a mage

[CrashGordon94]

Okay, most every fibre of me wants to mark her down for being like Soren but worse. However that's against the rules.

Right, first off, she's a pain to recruit. Secondly she seems to have pretty weak stats overall, with high Strength for a Mage being the biggest thing she has going for her, and even that's not particularly high (Especially since 90% it just makes your Thunder forges cheaper). D Thunder is handy but not particularly mind-blowing. Also, Shade is a bit of a dubious Skill too, you might be better off WITHOUT it. Or maybe not, but even then it's not the best and it won't be a super duper lifesaver anyway since there seems to be a huge amount of doubt on how it and Provoke works.

5/10 -1 bias for the hype she gets over *ahem* a certain other Mage which just seems to be powered by her miniskirt = 4/10

[Snowy_One]

Ilyana is a REALLY underrated unit in my eyes. Her speed issues, while bad, are not beyond fixable and people place far too much value on high movement and enemy counters in general. She has a better early-game than Soren and, in my eyes, having a second sage is invaluable no matter the segment of the game. Powerful ranged strikes, a great weapon type (possibly the best weapon-type in the game in a vacuum) and just... amazing in general. Not to mention how outright adorable she is.

7/10 from me.

[Hawk King]

Illyana is not as good as Soren, but I have a feeling she will score higher.


PROS:

-Ummm, she has Shade? As far as I know, it is still unknown/unclear EXACTLY how Shade works, and it is certainly not something that can be relied on.
-she has a high STR growth (for a mage)


CONS:

-Her MAG, SKL, SPD growths are all 10% lower than the mage who is around for 4 Chapters before the Chapter she is recruited in.
-She is pretty fragile.


She is basically an inferior Soren. The only thing she does better is weild seige tomes, and because of her low SPD it is really not that much better. I gave Soren a 7.5 so Illyana gets a....


6.25/10 - She is flexible like Soren and has basically the same utility but... Adept > Shade

[Levant Fortner]

5.5. Uses a better magic type than that guy does, and can actually avoid getting weighed down by magic later on. A shame about the jointime (though IMO a certain other mage was even worse in that regard, considering he joined in a chapter that was inefficient for training him) and speed, however... Also, +1 bias for not being a damn near unlikable prick like a certain other mage personality wise.

Edited by Metal King Slime, 05 April 2012 - 08:59 AM.

[Hawk King]

Funny, I thought we were supposed to rate on GAMEPLAY PERFORMANCE, not PERSONALITY.... Oh wait, we are.



@Snowy- Illyana has a better earlygame than Soren? What do you consider earlygame? I always thought of earlygame as Prologue-Chapter 8-10 ish.

[Rejected Lifeform]

Funny, I thought we were supposed to rate on GAMEPLAY PERFORMANCE, not PERSONALITY.... Oh wait, we are.

@Snowy- Illyana has a better earlygame than Soren? What do you consider earlygame? I always thought of earlygame as Prologue-Chapter 8-10 ish.

IIRC it has something to do with her joining situation.

It's Ilyana joining in a Defense chapter where she can kill/chip stuff V.S Soren's joining chapter where he's already screwed due to the bad timing; and a crapton of enemies that can kill him easy!

Edited by Frostbite, 05 April 2012 - 09:19 AM.

[Hawk King]

Its 8 turns of defense. How soon can you recruit her, like turn 4? Also, are you trying to say that enemies cant kill Illyana in her joining Chapter? She is just as squishy for hers as Soren is for his.

It doesnt take a genious to get just one enemy to attack Soren on his join Chapter, and he has 3 other Chapters (one of which happens to be defend) to get Cexp. Also, he can get Bexp in the Chapter 8 base.

[tiff]

Has a lot of the same problems as Soren, namely poor movement and bad durability. Her joining chapter is better for her than Soren's because of the choke-points and you can't beat it in two turns but eh. Her growths are pretty average for a mage outside of her oddly low Spd, so she'll never be able to double faster enemies. Overall Soren's better but it's not a particularly significant difference.

On the other hand unlike Soren Ilyana's cute and wears a miniskirt so +1 bias.

4/10

Edited by tiff, 05 April 2012 - 10:09 AM.

[Levant Fortner]

Its 8 turns of defense. How soon can you recruit her, like turn 4? Also, are you trying to say that enemies cant kill Illyana in her joining Chapter? She is just as squishy for hers as Soren is for his.

It doesnt take a genious to get just one enemy to attack Soren on his join Chapter, and he has 3 other Chapters (one of which happens to be defend) to get Cexp. Also, he can get Bexp in the Chapter 8 base.

Soren joins in a chapter that's easily 2 turnable, in addition to being a wide open field. That doesn't really sound like a good joining situation to me IMO.

[aku chi]

Soren joins in a chapter that's easily 2 turnable, in addition to being a wide open field. That doesn't really sound like a good joining situation to me IMO.

What's your point? It's not like Soren doesn't have the entirety of C8 (unlike Ilyana) and C5 to get easy Cexp. Soren can also positively contribute in C7's rout. It takes some strange logic to penalize Soren for contributions he can make before Ilyana joins. And it's pretty easy (if you make it a goal) to have a level 6 Soren before Ilyana is recruited, even in the most speedy of playthroughs.

[Levant Fortner]

What's your point? It's not like Soren doesn't have the entirety of C8 (unlike Ilyana) and C5 to get easy Cexp. Soren can also positively contribute in C7's rout. It takes some strange logic to penalize Soren for contributions he can make before Ilyana joins. And it's pretty easy (if you make it a goal) to have a level 6 Soren before Ilyana is recruited, even in the most speedy of playthroughs.

Uhhh, I don't have one? I'm just calling it as I see it. I'm not contesting your other claims though.

[The Big Kazam]

Uh... She arrives at a higher base level than Soren so you can give her a Master Seal and make her a staffbot. 5/10

[Gyarados]

Basically a worse version of Soren with more (useless) Str.

4/10 but that might be too nice.

[Hamlet]

Her main magic is the best magic in the game, which is good. But she's kind of frail. Typical squishy mage, except Soren's better. She's decent for earlygame chipping and whatnot. And 1~2 Range always.

4/10