Caliban of Sycorax Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 (edited) Rules (Borrowed from whomever made them first with modifications) - Ratings to be assumed from when a unit is first available. - Votes need some explanation regarding their gameplay performance to be counted (unless they fall into the general parameters of the average rating, but reasoning is still strongly encouraged on those even if you just wanna quote people) — incredibly low scores or high scores without proper justification will not be counted. Don't put in some random text thinking it'd count as justification. Put in at least a little thought and give REAL reasoning. - Numbers for votes, please - not something like "Sigurd/10", etc. - Personality / Appearance may be taken into account, but only +/- 1 point at the most. - Votes out of 10, or something proportional to it, please! - Make votes easily visible, please and thank you! - Every ranking phase will end on the next day at approximately 10:00 PM (or 22:00), EST. -Second Generation Note: Assume that Substitutes are done on a Subs-only run. Any "not ________" will not be accepted. Units and Ranking (Least to Greatest): First Generation Diadora: 1.19 Ardan: 1.39 Tiltyu: 2.00 Briggid: 3.71 Claude: 4.42 Azel: 4.63 Jamka: 5.25 Midir: 5.47 Dew: 5.68 Holyn: 5.90 Lachesis: 6.13 Noish: 6.15 Alec: 6.17 Beowulf: 6.40 Aideen: 6.57 Ayra: 6.79 Levin: 7.87 Fin (First Generation): 7.88 Fury: 8.25 Cuan: 8.41 Lex: 8.83 Ethlin: 9.15 Sylvia: 9.50 Sigurd: 9.96 Second Generation Roddlevan: 3.33 Radney: 3.44 Johalva: 3.93 Amid: 4.85 Dimna: 4.89 Mana: 4.98 Tristan: 5.00 Skasaher: 6.00 Lakche: 6.35 Femina: 6.50 Lester: 6.59 Julia: 7.12 Lana: 8.24 Delmud: 8.45 Oifaye: 8.58 Arthur: 8.67 Fee: 8.86 Celice: 9.54 DAY 43: JOHAN __ He's the hotter and better personality of the Neir duo. +1 bias! He's on a horse, making him much more viable already. Because this is FE4, where horses are extremely important. Johan has the lesser Ambush, which sucks, because he should have something better like Continue or Charge. He is the only axe user so the Hero Axe and most of the decent axes belong to him anyway, since your only other axe user is Promoted Leaf. He has decent bases with spectacular growths. 50% Speed growth and 40% Strength growth rock. His measly 20% Skill growth will hurt him in lategame, but he starts with 10 Skill, 3 ahead of Johalva at base. At the least, he'll be hitting for a while. Of course, if you want to nab Resire for Julia, which you do, he costs some turns and doesn't make them up that easily. At the least, he's more worth it than Johalva. 7/10, this includes the bias point from earlier. Edited April 11, 2012 by Laurence Olivier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 what did I give Johalva 3.5 not counting bias, alright so Johan gets a 6.5 to start because I take a flat rate of 3 points for not having a horse. He's stuck with axes forever though and, well, Hero Axe is good and is basically his saving grace but he just... isn't that great, especially considering that team children are mostly a bunch of juggernauts. Not terrible either, but gonna take a .5 for axelock so that brings him down to a 6/10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Horace Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 hes kind of underwhelming unless the hero axe has a fuckton of kills on it in gen 1, and he's reliant on it to get kills later on. A 50 kill hero axe with ambush is actually pretty deadly. he falls off sharply like most units in chapter 10 though. 5/10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Starwind Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 (edited) He's funny and I like that. Anywho he's on a horse which honesty it helps but not much. Of course he gets the hero axe which really helps too. I say he's mostly good for the first two chapters after that he's hanging in the back or defending a castle when needs be. I like his death quote too. 5/10 + 1 bias of being funny. So 6/10 Edited April 11, 2012 by Guy Starwind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasori Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 (edited) Unfortunately for Johan I like the human crab better then him. Still Johan is probably the better unit of the two because he has a horse. IS thought that if they gave Johalva better bases that it would balance out, unfortunately FE4 is the one game that doesn't work that way. I would gladly take a horse over 2 hp, 1 str, 4 speed and 2 defense. Like his brother Johan is a bit mediocre, but he can help with his brave axe and he's better then his bro with it. 5/10 -1 bias because I like crabman better, so his score will be a 4/10 Edited April 11, 2012 by Sasori Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 joe han 1: he's hilarious. He gets bias. 2: he's on a pony and doesn't suck. He gets a modest rating. 3: there really aren't any other pros. 6/10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slootwindow Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 Mediocre horse that costs turns to recruit that he will never make up. 2/10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renall Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 He's an average horse unit in a game filled with godly ones, but that horse and an effective Hero Axe monopoly keep him relevant. Is it perfect? No. But it works. Sometimes having a warm body on a horse with a Hero weapon is good enough. 5/10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biabarr Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 He's an average horse unit in a game filled with godly ones, but that horse and an effective Hero Axe monopoly keep him relevant. Is it perfect? No. But it works. Sometimes having a warm body on a horse with a Hero weapon is good enough. 5/10 This is pretty much what I was going to say. So count it for my vote too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shin Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 For love, for Lakche! Johan's a fast but otherwise worse version of Lex. He wants that Hero Axe, and doesn't do too badly. His hit's pretty poor and that skill growth isn't helping. Still, he has a horse and passable offense until around chapter 10. 5.5/10 - He's not amazing, but he'll get some stuff done. I had to give him that extra .5 for being one of my favourite FE4 characters. All he needs now is a turban! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 50% Speed growth and 40% Strength growth rock. why does spd growth matter when johan doesn't have pursuit and he's probably suck at doubling anyway with the pursuit ring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacLovin Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 For love, for Lakche! Johan's a fast but otherwise worse version of Lex. He wants that Hero Axe, and doesn't do too badly. His hit's pretty poor and that skill growth isn't helping. Still, he has a horse and passable offense until around chapter 10. 5.5/10 - He's not amazing, but he'll get some stuff done. I had to give him that extra .5 for being one of my favourite FE4 characters. All he needs now is a turban! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT075 Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 hes kind of underwhelming unless the hero axe has a fuckton of kills on it in gen 1, and he's reliant on it to get kills later on. A 50 kill hero axe with ambush is actually pretty deadly. he falls off sharply like most units in chapter 10 though. 5/10 -1 because he doesn't get horns like his brother 4/10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caliban of Sycorax Posted April 12, 2012 Author Share Posted April 12, 2012 why does spd growth matter when johan doesn't have pursuit and he's probably suck at doubling anyway with the pursuit ring Speed still increases Dodge, which, you know, is kind of important. Johan gets a 5.08 and we're finally fuckin' done with Chapter 6. Jesus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT075 Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 johan would suck at dodging too, his base is ass and lolaxes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 (edited) Hero Axe brings is AS down to 0 at base gg dodging with that and that's the lightest axe too Edited April 12, 2012 by Luminescent Blade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Speed still increases Dodge, which, you know, is kind of important. saying at spd is important for avo is like saying that skl is an important stat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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