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#21 Silith

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 01:09 AM

He's probably best off as Myrmiadon and then Sniper or Dracoknight after promotion.

HIs already unimpressive str takes a hit uppon reclassing and his growth wasn't all THAT great either. At least he won't be stuck with 20% speed growth.

#22 a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 07:29 PM

4/10

With billion bad units in this game the ballzy Matthis seems much more ok than he really is. At least Matthis can throw Javelins with 9 Mov. That alone is better than anything Darros will ever do. Roshe/Vyland rarely see use in their starting map because their bad position, so That gives Matthis 1,5 chapters availability lead to become 9 mov Ridersbane just a wee bit earlier. (Usage of said weapon is justified on Matthis by enemy cavaliers going in groups and trade existing) Let us not forget all those B set units like Roger who really are clearly worse than Matthis by the factor of 3-4 mov and at times needing to chip forever to become 1-2 range. All in all with the amount of crap units in this game, 1/10 is far too low for someone as average as Matthis

#23 Colonel M

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 09:59 AM

His rank might be justified if I actually gave two shits about whacking someone with a weapon 23 times to get to C Lances. With possibly Abel, Jeigan, and Hardin (don't forget Caeda) nearly set on C Lances and the low enemy density, I don't see why I need to crank effort into Matthis. Being able to use Ridersbane is nice, but chances are you will more than likely not need more than 3 people on that department for a while. Chapter 9 has a slew of Cavaliers, but most can be distracted with Sedgar as a General on a fort (Warp).

Also, to be fair on Roger, he has access to Fighter to ORKO Pirates in Chapter 9. I don't think Matthis is ever doing that, either. Not that it gives him a complete pass either, and Castor can help with DracoKnights in a rare instance and.still fights from 2 range with modest accuracy.

The main thing that slams a gavel against Matthis is he's mediocre to shit outside of Ridersbane, which takes effort to get him there, and to what end? If we Warpskip, he's likely not going to do what he was trained to do often, if at all. I might be able to justify upping his rank to a 2, maybe 2.5 tops, but beyond that you would have to argue never Warpskipping.

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 11:35 AM

I think you're thinking of Chapter 8 or 10? Chapter 9 is the pirate one.

EDIT: Matthis would be waiting until Chapter 14 for his own Ridersbane, since I don't intend on breaking my first one right away.

Edited by eclipse, 01 May 2012 - 11:38 AM.


#25 Colonel M

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 09:25 PM

Okay, kind of glancing at this thread... I'm a little leery with some of the votes descriptions. I get that I sort of followed the trend but I did try to at least throw key points about it later on with other posts. Not to say that no one else did (frat, eclipse as examples), but I guess what I'm saying is this:

If your name is

- PKL
- Alpha
- Dark Sage
- BRShooter
- Gmls

I think your votes are a little... questionable (or really don't have much of a description). I get that Matthis is a joke, but come on - these should only be allowed with true scrubs like Est. So, I hate being the ass, but I'm going to ask for small descriptions else we throw out the votes. You don't have to break your back over it - just remember the rules of the thread.

Also, because frat did sort of convince me, I will change my vote to a 2.5/10. That might be a little high, but I'll kind of assume that in non-Warpskip play we could use him.

Edited by Colonel M, 01 May 2012 - 09:26 PM.


#26 Revenant

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 12:13 AM

Wait. Now hold on just a minute! Matthis is a class set A character with early availability! This means he can do the Curate -> Sniper path. We all know this is an acceptable option and warrants at least mid-tier placement. Well, if it was still 2009. Mage Caeda/Shiida to high tier! Woo!

#27 Colonel M

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 11:26 AM

Wait. Now hold on just a minute! Matthis is a class set A character with early availability! This means he can do the Curate -> Sniper path. We all know this is an acceptable option and warrants at least mid-tier placement. Well, if it was still 2009. Mage Caeda/Shiida to high tier! Woo!

And if Warp didn't exist.

#28 Revenant

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 12:06 PM

I always assume Warp doesn't exist. I also like to pretend forging doesn't exist. I am also dead-set on getting the Killing Edge in chapter 6 which is quite... interesting when both Warp and forging are mentally blocked from my conscious mind. Then I don't use said Killing Edge since I don't like the randomness factor of using Killer weapons (except for that chapter 3 asshole boss). But then I am a hypocrite for not wanting to rely on randomness since getting that Killing Edge involves me resetting until one of the Archers has 8 speed so Wendell can double him.

Err... anyways. At least the Hunter -> General path for class set B people seems a little more tolerable than Curate -> Sniper... I think?

#29 frat_tastic

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Posted 19 May 2012 - 08:09 PM

I'm looking at the other rating topics and noticed how terribad Matthis's rating was and I'm pretty sure his rating is higher than what has been listed. I did a quick tally and I got 1.6, and that was counting all of the votes (it sounded like Colonel was questionable on counting some votes).

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 07:03 AM

5/10

Forged javelins, only one rank away from forged Ridersbanes, high move, decent durability.

4/10

With billion bad units in this game the ballzy Matthis seems much more ok than he really is. At least Matthis can throw Javelins with 9 Mov. That alone is better than anything Darros will ever do. Roshe/Vyland rarely see use in their starting map because their bad position, so That gives Matthis 1,5 chapters availability lead to become 9 mov Ridersbane just a wee bit earlier. (Usage of said weapon is justified on Matthis by enemy cavaliers going in groups and trade existing) Let us not forget all those B set units like Roger who really are clearly worse than Matthis by the factor of 3-4 mov and at times needing to chip forever to become 1-2 range. All in all with the amount of crap units in this game, 1/10 is far too low for someone as average as Matthis


Throwing these votes out for the people complaining about Matthis's score!
I got 1.07 When retallying though so that score will change!

Edited by Richter Abend, 22 May 2012 - 07:04 AM.


#31 a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 09:03 AM

- Votes need some explanation regarding their gameplay performance to be counted. If somebody else said what you want to already, quote them explicitly
Hey look a vote that follows the rules. Lets throw it out. Lets instead keep out all those that did not

Yeah fuck you too

Edited by Shoptimus Prime, 22 May 2012 - 09:04 AM.


#32 eclipse

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 11:31 AM

I may not agree with frat/Sho, but I believe they explained themselves well. The votes I was thinking of were on the lower end, which had no explanation whatsoever.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 11:52 AM

For real, we both gave explanations that I think justified the scores we gave, but you're dropping them? Especially when there's a ton of 1/10s and 0/10s with no justification other than LOLMATTHIS?

What the hell bro?

#34 Revenant

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 01:01 PM

Ugh... C'mon.

I don't think their votes should be thrown out. No need to escalate things.
On the other hand, frat/Sho, you guys are also not helping the situation with your posts in the Minerva topic.

Blah.

I mean, I don't take these rating topics too seriously. At the end of the day, I really don't care if Matthis got a 0, 1, 2, 3 or whatever.

#35 a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 01:08 PM

Well excuuuuuuuse me for finding myself annoyed by injustice.

Besides as these topics are not to be taken seriously I don't see how one or 2 votes in one topic with Reasoning based on one's hair color is such a big deal. Besides I just follow the unwritten rule that I see in action.

No one likes rule sharks am I right :smug:

#36 Revenant

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 01:59 PM

You should be annoyed with your vote be thrown out. That was uncool. I think the 4/10 and 5/10 votes should stay. I have no opinion on the LOLMATTHIS votes. I'm just saying making a 10/10 Minerva rating (after the voting period ended) with the obvious intent to annoy/pester is also uncool. Unnecessary drama just makes me sad. NOW EVERYONE HUG AND BE FRIENDS!!

#37 a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 02:07 PM

I don't mind the LOLMatthis votes that much but they are clearly against the rules and they were allowed in while the votes that actually put in the effort got thrown out. I do not like the smell of bullshit in my nose.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 02:19 PM

Did a Retally to Include Sho's and Frat's votes and to throw out the Bullshit votes...

1.87 is the Final Result!




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