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[General James]

I'm creating this list because Venusaur's tier list is long since dead.

Trade evos will be considered, but that is all trading will be used for. With this in mind, all trade evo Pokes are tiered with the assumption that they reach their final form. This may change, in which case, I will add '(no evo)', to the Poke's name and give him a lower placement.

While this is supposed to be an 'efficient' tier list, this is not one for a speedrun. There is a difference, you know. However, you know the (Exca)drill: Pokemon that help you beat the game faster go up higher.

Unlike in Pokemon B/W, TM's are not infinite, so obviously, the more demand a certain TM has, the less likely a Pokemon has of obtaining said TM. Of course, TM's that can be gotten in infinite supply(i.e. Those bought at the Veilstone Department Store)may always be considered. Also, tutored moves may be considered, since they are not single use, but they require shards, so there is some doubt on their usefulness in an efficient setting. Also, HM utility is of more value in this game than it is in B/W, so Pokes that normally would be lower are higher thanks to their HM utility(e.g. Bibarel and Tropius)

Tier List is now ordered.

SS Tier:
Chimchar
Starly

S Tier:
Piplup
Scyther
Rotom
Gible

A Tier:
Azelf
Giratina
Turtwig
Machop
Shinx
Buizel
Meditite

B Tier:
Abra
Bidoof
Ralts (Gallade)
Shellos
Gligar
Ponyta
Houndour
Croagunk
Cranidos
Ralts (Gardevoir)
Magikarp

C Tier:
Psyduck
Eevee (Jolteon)
Geodude
Gastly
Drifloon
Eevee (Vaporeon)
Hoothoot
Eevee (Espeon)
Zubat
Tropius
Pikachu
Clefairy
Budew
Bronzor
Barboach
Eevee (Glaceon)
Snorunt (Froslass)
Wooper

D Tier:
Aipom
Porygon
Eevee (Leafeon)
Heracross
Girafarig
Magnemite
Mesprit
Uxie
Sneasel
Snover
Magmar
Eevee (Flareon)
Wingull
Tentacool
Marill
Tangela
Absol
Goldeen
Rhyhorn
Electabuzz
Buneary

E Tier:
Bonsly
Onix
Carnivine
Chingling
Duskull
Swinub
Eevee (Umbreon)
Shieldon
Mime Jr
Skorupi
Spiritomb
Nosepass
Lickitung
Snorunt (Glalie)
Hippopotas
Chansey
Kricketot

F Tier:
Riolu
Togepi
Burmy
Cherubi
Mantyke
Munchlax
Finneon
Wurmple
Combee
Unown
Feebas

Current Arguments:
Tropius Down.
Glaceon Up.
Budew Up.
Gligar Up.

Have at it.

Also, follow my PT if you want. I did it because of the tier list dealie.

Edited by Mercenary James, 13 May 2012 - 05:39 AM.

[eclipse]

Can you make the B-Tier yellow a bit darker? I hate having to guess what it says.

[grandjackal]

Shynx is basically an electric Starly, but with faster evolutions. Why is it two tiers below it, much less a tier below Rotom? They're practically two sides of the same coin, one being special offensive while hte other hits harder physically and bulkier despite bieng slower (though Shynx isn't so slow that he's getting outrunned by everything).

[Helios]

My first thoughts looking at this are that Shinx needs to move up as well as Riolu (I don't think he should be that low, seeing as I used him in-game before and he's not too bad). Also maybe Piplup above Gible because of availability? I don't have much of a case for any of these yet, but maybe others can think for me since I haven't played Platinum in years (but I'll get to it for the sake of a draft soon enough).

[eclipse]

How do you guys feel about the 30 Speed difference between Staraptor and Luxray?

Given that I forgot just about everything in Platinum, I can't take a side.

[Manix]

How do you guys feel about the 30 Speed difference between Staraptor and Luxray?

It's not that bad, but it's still noticeable in some cases. I don't think the speed difference comprises the entire gap between them, imo. The gap needs to be closed a bit.

[Helios]

How do you guys feel about the 30 Speed difference between Staraptor and Luxray?

Given that I forgot just about everything in Platinum, I can't take a side.

It's honestly not that bad, and you don't really notice it until later in the game (and even then it's not a big deal). I think he deserves to go at the top of A tier at least, or maybe just under Azelf. Higher than Buizel's Aqua jet for sure though.

[General James]

To those bitching about the tier list not being ordered:

I haven't exactly ordered the tier list as of yet, so just wait a while.

Have a nice day.

[Helios]

My bad, I totally missed that part. I apologize.

[grandjackal]

Next order of business, Ponyta needs to be B tier at minimum. Fast, is like your only other option for a fire type outside of Chimchar who comes early, and it's high Atk stat actually works for it since it gets Flame Wheel along with other potent physical attacks such as Stomp.

Shieldon needs to drop to E. It's offense is not only terrible statistically, it lacks any good STABS and any reliable damage moves it can get are all hampered by bad accuracy. It's slow and vulnerable to all the Confuse status moves this game has because of it. It's only benefit is that it has Metal Sound, and that's it. Hardly worth the time or effort. Did I also mention slow leveling speed?

I thin Glaceon is actually a viable lategame mon. Sure, you get it kinda low leveled, but Glaceon not only has a ludicrously fast leveling speed, it starts immediately with Ice Beam since the TM is found near the area you get it, and it has pretty nifty stats despite it's low base level.

Gotta try the other Eevee forms in this game...It's the only game that gives you an Eevee relatively early.

Edited by grandjackal, 28 April 2012 - 02:59 AM.

[Bluedoom]

So is Bidoof in B tier because its a HM slave? Honestly that'd be the only reason why its placement is there, IMO.

[dondon151]

Shynx is basically an electric Starly, but with faster evolutions. Why is it two tiers below it, much less a tier below Rotom?

shinx's STABs and coverage moves aren't nearly as good as starly's

also L9 wing attack vs. L18 spark

Edited by dondon151, 28 April 2012 - 03:20 AM.

[grandjackal]

shinx's STABs and coverage moves aren't nearly as good as starly's

Well...true. Kinda why I was stating it should be the same tier as Rotom rather than actually up with Starly itself.

[Serious Bananas]

Azelf and Giratina seem a bit high considering they don't exist until the 7th gym. Espeon>Jolteon seems a bit odd too considering it's a pain to get happiness up.

[eclipse]

TC needs to make this blink. The tiers are divided by section, but not ordered alphabetically.

[Espinosa]

Are we assuming Scyther gets promoted with a Metal Coat trade?

[General James]

Are we assuming Scyther gets promoted with a Metal Coat trade?

Firstly, Pokemon do not promote. They evolve.

Secondly, I did say that all trade evos would be assumed, but I might be adding a slot for no evolutions when applicable, if that's what the community wants.

In your specific case, Scyther is in S because not only of Scizor, but because he's quite clutch against Maylene as Scyther(wild Scyther can be caught on Route 210), whatnot with Technician STAB Wing Attack super effectiving Meditite and Machoke with significantly more power(110 vs 75)than Staravia(I highly doubt you are getting Staraptor by Veilstone unless you either grind or solo with it), as well as being overall good against Team Galactic.

Have a nice day.

P.S.: Shieldon is now E tier, and Ponyta is B tier. Have a nice day.

Edited by Mercenary James, 28 April 2012 - 10:16 AM.

[grandjackal]

Sooooo, no thoughts on this one?

http://serenesforest...dpost&p=1959045

Also, this playthrough and the next, I'mma be trying out Vaporeon and then Lefeon. Umbreon last time did not impress me.

[BBM]

I think Houndour should go down to top of C, or below Ponyta in B tier at least, once the list gets ordered. Their stats are basically the same, but Ponyta beats Gardenia and helps out against Fantina.

[Levant Fortner]

I think Houndour should go down to top of C, or below Ponyta in B tier at least, once the list gets ordered. Their stats are basically the same, but Ponyta beats Gardenia and helps out against Fantina.

I dunno... Houndour evolves a lot earlier than Ponyta (level 24 as opposed to level 40).

Edited by Metal King Slime, 29 April 2012 - 09:25 AM.