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#2261
Posted 11 August 2012 - 08:38 PM
#2262
Posted 11 August 2012 - 08:44 PM
Here you go. The Miriel x Sol CBAS Supports.Can anyone find MirielxSol S support? That's the support set I want to work on next after MirielxLoran. I have the support unlocked on my 3DS but obviously finding it online would make my life much easier. Thanks in advance for anyone who goes searching. ^^
#2264
Posted 11 August 2012 - 10:41 PM
#2265
Posted 11 August 2012 - 11:12 PM
That reaction seems to be typical of animu/mango. Kind of annoying really.Holy shit, MU is a homophobe
#2266
Posted 12 August 2012 - 01:51 AM
Time to be giddy, my friend. I must admit, this support was completely different from what I had expected. Without further ado, Rufure x Grego!
EDIT: Wow, it's almost identical to Grego's support with FeMU. That was disappointing but I suppose such a hilarious conversation deserves to be repeated.Spoiler - Rufure x Grego CSpoiler - Rufure x Grego BSpoiler - Rufure x Grego A
Thank you so much!
I'm actually glad it's similar to FeMU's version. Damnit MaMU, why do you have to be scared of your feelings?
...I'd be glad to be dreaming of Grego. -Rambles to self-
#2267
Posted 12 August 2012 - 05:36 AM
Holy shit, MU is a homophobe
Or, y'know, he's just straight. Some people can have no objection to homosexuality, but still be somewhat discomfited by it. Which I suppose technically is a form of homophobia, but a very mild and not uncommon one.
Not that it really matters. This support was obviously being played for humour.
Edited by Onestep, 12 August 2012 - 05:36 AM.
#2268
Posted 12 August 2012 - 08:25 PM
Thank you so much!
I'm actually glad it's similar to FeMU's version. Damnit MaMU, why do you have to be scared of your feelings?
...I'd be glad to be dreaming of Grego. -Rambles to self-
I know right?! I kind of wish there was a yaoi/gay support in this game but the chances of one ever being put into an FE game period are slim if that.... =/
I mean a few hinted-at gay relationships have been in the FE series before, sure, but none that were 100% gay, sadly... =(
#2269
Posted 12 August 2012 - 09:32 PM
I know right?! I kind of wish there was a yaoi/gay support in this game but the chances of one ever being put into an FE game period are slim if that.... =/
I mean a few hinted-at gay relationships have been in the FE series before, sure, but none that were 100% gay, sadly... =(
Well, we have to put into perspective that the FE series focuses mainly on the war [medieval, at that] and individual character development. And, ofttimes, the span of a war isn't the best time to pursue a romantic relationship. (Not to mention that most FE characters seem to be varying degrees of religious, e.g. Ashera's followers vaguely resemble how the Catholic church operates, but I digress.)
As for character development, I feel like even if the person is hinted to being gay, I'd like to at least see the psychology behind it than just "lul I'm gay guise~" flat characters.
That and Japan has a slightly different view of homosexuality than the West does. There's no laws against it, but no legal recognition of homosexual relationships either, and it really just isn't that big of a deal in Japan. It's not a major focus in Japanese politics, nor is it that heavily discussed. Contrast the US where you have the Chick-Fil-A scandal, pride parades and a whole other assortment of things... blah blah blah blah blah. But anyway, that's some of the main reasons you won't find gay relationships often if at all in FE... but then again, who knows what could happen.
#2270
Posted 12 August 2012 - 09:52 PM
As for character development, I feel like even if the person is hinted to being gay, I'd like to at least see the psychology behind it than just "lul I'm gay guise~" flat characters.
I mean, take Heather for example. Her 'attraction' toward girls actually stems from her father being a jerk, so she'd think that the majority of men would be like that. ...Doesn't help when there's people like Shinon & Gatrie around...
Didn't help that we got the abbrev form of FE:RD either, which gypped us of a LOT of info.
I find Heather to be the perfect example of a bad homosexual character. There is nothing to her beside her sexuality. I don't recall a single conversation from her where she doesn't hit on a girl or hate a man. She makes Gatrie look like a master of subtlety.
Then again, it was RD, not the best game for minor character development...
#2271
Posted 12 August 2012 - 10:00 PM
I find Heather to be the perfect example of a bad homosexual character. There is nothing to her beside her sexuality. I don't recall a single conversation from her where she doesn't hit on a girl or hate a man. She makes Gatrie look like a master of subtlety.
Then again, it was RD, not the best game for minor character development...
I think that's just called shit writing for RD characters. So, yes.
#2272
Posted 12 August 2012 - 10:14 PM
Well, we have to put into perspective that the FE series focuses mainly on the war [medieval, at that] and individual character development. And, ofttimes, the span of a war isn't the best time to pursue a romantic relationship. (Not to mention that most FE characters seem to be varying degrees of religious, e.g. Ashera's followers vaguely resemble how the Catholic church operates, but I digress.)
As for character development, I feel like even if the person is hinted to being gay, I'd like to at least see the psychology behind it than just "lul I'm gay guise~" flat characters.I mean, take Heather for example. Her 'attraction' toward girls actually stems from her father being a jerk, so she'd think that the majority of men would be like that. ...Doesn't help when there's people like Shinon & Gatrie around...
Didn't help that we got the abbrev form of FE:RD either, which gypped us of a LOT of info.
The only games that have anything beyond hints at romantic relationships are Genealogy and Awakening, and the main reason for the marriages were to get the children characters, which are a big help, admittedly, and for plot relevance/enhancement.
That and Japan has a slightly different view of homosexuality than the West does. There's no laws against it, but no legal recognition of homosexual relationships either, and it really just isn't that big of a deal in Japan. It's not a major focus in Japanese politics, nor is it that heavily discussed. Contrast the US where you have the Chick-Fil-A scandal, pride parades and a whole other assortment of things... blah blah blah blah blah. But anyway, that's some of the main reasons you won't find gay relationships often if at all in FE... but then again, who knows what could happen.
Yea, I know, I just wish there was at least one you know?
And I didn't neccesarily mean the stereotypical gay that you can spot right off the bat or anything like that., I mean I personally would like a more in-depth look as to why they are who they are myself....
Again, I just wished that they had one, or would make one sometime in the future.
It'd make the game more diverse, you know? I mean this is like one of their first games to have an actual Black person in it, isn't it? And this is the first one that introduces a culture similar to feudal Japan. So I mean it is getting more and more diverse, even if it just race-wise at the moment. =P
#2273
Posted 13 August 2012 - 12:19 AM
Yea, I know, I just wish there was at least one you know?
And I didn't neccesarily mean the stereotypical gay that you can spot right off the bat or anything like that., I mean I personally would like a more in-depth look as to why they are who they are myself....
Again, I just wished that they had one, or would make one sometime in the future.
It'd make the game more diverse, you know? I mean this is like one of their first games to have an actual Black person in it, isn't it? And this is the first one that introduces a culture similar to feudal Japan. So I mean it is getting more and more diverse, even if it just race-wise at the moment. =P
This is... at least the third one to have a black person, but it's the first to have "Asian" (Eastern Feudal Era) people. Still, I suppose it would be interesting for different orientations... then again, it's not like it's stopped the fandom before... [Agh... so many IkeSoren fics... argh... Though there's other issues I have with that one...] I mean, the most plausible one I see is nonsexual, which would just be not being interested in either gender.
I mean, yeah, it'd be more diverse, but given the tone of the game, I doubt they'd just give people the gay option unless it was plot relevant. I mean, in both marriageable games, the kids were plot relevant. Although for now, Heather is your best bet - she was actually down-toned for American audiences - and outright says she joined "for all the pretty girls" or something along those lines in the Japanese version.
I'm fine with whatever, as long as it's accurate. I mean, yay diversity, but if they go along with medieval history, most places weren't fond of homosexuality happening, especially in Europe, so that would be another thing to think about. Sure it would be nice, but it wouldn't be plausible for a character to be homosexual in most cases during medieval history, and if they were, dire consequences would be in place if anyone let the secret out.
I find Heather to be the perfect example of a bad homosexual character. There is nothing to her beside her sexuality. I don't recall a single conversation from her where she doesn't hit on a girl or hate a man. She makes Gatrie look like a master of subtlety.
Then again, it was RD, not the best game for minor character development...
Wait... I think that part about her dad was in the left-out part of the Japanese version... I think it was, anyway. Crappy translation once again!
Edited by Blumpen, 13 August 2012 - 12:35 AM.
#2274
Posted 13 August 2012 - 03:19 AM
Wait... I think that part about her dad was in the left-out part of the Japanese version... I think it was, anyway. Crappy translation once again!
[The "Extended" Japanese version had much more dialogue & way better backstory.] The American Heather was the bad version... because they left out the part about the reasons.
At the very least, the Japanese version was given a reason... but not a very good one as far as representing lesbians in general. The idea of Heather's sexuality coming from her less-than-stellar father has it's origins with Freud, who originated the idea that homosexuality came from parents who didn't fit gender roles. Without parents that fit gender roles, Freud claimed that children could never mature sexually and thus became sexually immature adults who could then turn to homosexuality. Freud is credited for many great things, but being right is not one of them by any means... During his time, this idea was the accepted one.
I learned all of this in an LGBTQIA film and literature course. In one of the novels we read, a pulp fiction novel from the 50's, the main character's big confrontation with her horrible father includes coming out, blaming it on him, him taking the blame and feeling like he's worth less than dirt, then the two never seeing each other again. Yeah... that was just the understanding of the people at the time. Since then, it has come to be a horrible stereotype that only the most bigoted cling to. Freud just didn't do research - he only made educated guesses, something that certainly does not fly in today's psychology world. That and other factors, like he never discussed what single parent and/or divorced parent families produce and other such things. Many today agree that sexuality is determined through a combination of nature and nurture that we don't know much of anything about yet - but Freud certainly was looking at it in the wrong way.
And so, in short, Heather having a jerk father is not a great way to represent her sexuality because it uses a stereotype long since seen as outdated and offensive to lesbians. Not exactly the best step in the right direction.
But hey, I don't know if many RD characters were meant to be taken that seriously. I will forever have my mixed feelings on RD.
Edited by four loose screws, 13 August 2012 - 03:22 AM.
#2275
Posted 13 August 2012 - 08:34 AM
At the very least, the Japanese version was given a reason... but not a very good one as far as representing lesbians in general. The idea of Heather's sexuality coming from her less-than-stellar father has it's origins with Freud, who originated the idea that homosexuality came from parents who didn't fit gender roles. Without parents that fit gender roles, Freud claimed that children could never mature sexually and thus became sexually immature adults who could then turn to homosexuality. Freud is credited for many great things, but being right is not one of them by any means... During his time, this idea was the accepted one.
I learned all of this in an LGBTQIA film and literature course. In one of the novels we read, a pulp fiction novel from the 50's, the main character's big confrontation with her horrible father includes coming out, blaming it on him, him taking the blame and feeling like he's worth less than dirt, then the two never seeing each other again. Yeah... that was just the understanding of the people at the time. Since then, it has come to be a horrible stereotype that only the most bigoted cling to. Freud just didn't do research - he only made educated guesses, something that certainly does not fly in today's psychology world. That and other factors, like he never discussed what single parent and/or divorced parent families produce and other such things. Many today agree that sexuality is determined through a combination of nature and nurture that we don't know much of anything about yet - but Freud certainly was looking at it in the wrong way.
And so, in short, Heather having a jerk father is not a great way to represent her sexuality because it uses a stereotype long since seen as outdated and offensive to lesbians. Not exactly the best step in the right direction.
But hey, I don't know if many RD characters were meant to be taken that seriously. I will forever have my mixed feelings on RD.
Well, I will give you that - yay for at least showing some kind of reasoning, but even with that it's not very good development. Then again like before, it's Japan, and they have a different view. It probably made more sense in Japanese than it did in English. ...That and well, it's RD... 73 canon characters isn't an easy number to give all good character development to, and the way they had it set up in-game, there isn't a lot of time to establish fleshed-out new characters...
...And while all this talk about sexuality is fun and all, I think we should put this to rest, or put it in a new thread. This is for support convos, not character dev/sexuality. [Just don't want to end up having a superlong page that doesn't have anything to do with supports, nonetheless focusing on RD when we're doing Awakening supports.]
Edited by Blumpen, 13 August 2012 - 08:38 AM.
#2276
Posted 13 August 2012 - 08:55 AM
Edited by NeonZ, 13 August 2012 - 08:57 AM.
#2277
Posted 13 August 2012 - 12:45 PM
Are the conversations of the new festival DLC getting posted online anywhere?
Doesn't look like we've gotten any yet, but I haven't checked in a while. If not it'll be up soon, I would bet. At least some of them anyway. We could denote them with a [R] for Resort, [U] for Ultimate (Training), and [D] for the Future of Despair or something like that. Also, the Resort ones come in pairs (Like the RD supports but with actual supports, not one-liners). Ex: Krom can talk to Fred on the 1st turn in the festival episode, and then Fred can talk to Krom on the 3rd or something like that.
IN OTHER NEWS. Got a conversation completed!
...Grego definitely places into the Cool Big Bro figure range for me...
Also a little fanart for you guys. Poor Grego. xD http://www.pixiv.net...ust_id=28460691
Edited by Blumpen, 14 August 2012 - 12:02 AM.
#2278
Posted 13 August 2012 - 01:48 PM
Doesn't look like we've gotten any yet, but I haven't checked in a while. If not it'll be up soon, I would bet. At least some of them anyway. We could denote them with a [R] for Resort, [U] for Ultimate (Training), and [D] for the Future of Despair or something like that. Also, the Resort ones come in pairs (Like the RD supports but with actual supports, not one-liners). Ex: Krom can talk to Fred on the 1st turn in the festival episode, and then Fred can talk to Krom on the 3rd or something like that.
IN OTHER NEWS. Got a conversation completed!GregoRonku, everyone!
Spoiler - Grego/Ronku
...Grego definitely places into the Cool Big Bro figure range for me...Soooo lulzy.
I liked this one. Seemed a lot shorter than the GregoxMaMu support, but it was nice. Nice, if brief, insight into the way King and Queen are determined... Though let's be honest, Grego would make an extremely lolsy king. Then again, from what little I've seen of Basilio he probably doesn't seem like a prime candidate either. Regardless, I love Grego. He's quickly becoming one of my favorite characters. I enjoyed the dialect you had him speaking with.
#2279
Posted 13 August 2012 - 02:34 PM
Definitley gonna use him when the game comes out. x)
#2280
Posted 14 August 2012 - 12:20 AM
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