Othin Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Confessions are cutscenes. They could just add voice acting for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Book of Ereshkigal Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 (edited) But the entire point of cutting out the Va-ing would be to cut out the number of people needed, so doing the confessions would make skipping out on dialogue and battle voicing pointless. By cutscenes, I meant the 3D animated ones, not the single images. Edited July 12, 2012 by L95 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted July 12, 2012 Author Share Posted July 12, 2012 (edited) Because she has a life, unlike SOME people. gosh. Can't wait to see how different the supports are in the English version :0 Yeah, I'm in art class for 9 hours a day with an additional 2 hour drive total. I'm only on after 7:30 pm p much at least for another week or so. wrt the female thing: While there is evidence that on average women have less strength, it is not true of all women for at least some are physically stronger than many of the men around them either through size or training their strength. It's not like female weightlifters aren't a thing. The averages only indicate the averages and it means nothing when it comes to individual performance if said individual trained very hard and can lift more/hit harder/whatever than the guys. They don't need to shove it in our face all the time. It's really annoying. Edited July 12, 2012 by Zhuge Liang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only My Unit Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Also agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four loose screws Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Before the Christmas Cake discussion becomes too old: "Christmas Cake" is not just an anime trope - it is a part of Japanese society. If a woman is not married by age 25 - although the age nowadays is 31 for women who are interested in college and jobs - everyone seriously thinks she will not be married. Men have a little bit more leeway than women do, but it really is in the culture that if a person is not married by a certain age, it's never going to happen. I like to think this franchise is medieval-type fantasy, but when it is created by Japanese people, the personalities will reflect the mindset of the average Japanese person. It can't really be helped. And here's my best explanation for the "weak" females: In Japan, to humble yourself is to be polite. I think the females are always saying they aren't that strong or "belittling" themselves because that's just what Japanese people do to be polite. It does not at all mean she thinks that she's weak and useless. She just wants to be polite, and that's a way to do so in Japan. Meanwhile, male characters won't do it, because it's more important that they fit into the trope of "cool anime/video game guy" than reflect real people. Hope that clears some stuff up in a relatively concise manner and to the best of my understanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Othin Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 (edited) Which also makes sense as the sort of stuff to hope localization will toss out for a non-Japanese audience. Edited July 13, 2012 by Othin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ein Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Before the Christmas Cake discussion becomes too old: "Christmas Cake" is not just an anime trope - it is a part of Japanese society. If a woman is not married by age 25 - although the age nowadays is 31 for women who are interested in college and jobs - everyone seriously thinks she will not be married. Men have a little bit more leeway than women do, but it really is in the culture that if a person is not married by a certain age, it's never going to happen. I like to think this franchise is medieval-type fantasy, but when it is created by Japanese people, the personalities will reflect the mindset of the average Japanese person. It can't really be helped. And here's my best explanation for the "weak" females: In Japan, to humble yourself is to be polite. I think the females are always saying they aren't that strong or "belittling" themselves because that's just what Japanese people do to be polite. It does not at all mean she thinks that she's weak and useless. She just wants to be polite, and that's a way to do so in Japan. Meanwhile, male characters won't do it, because it's more important that they fit into the trope of "cool anime/video game guy" than reflect real people. Hope that clears some stuff up in a relatively concise manner and to the best of my understanding. Oh~ This is actually quite interesting. Culture's are funny aren't they? >w> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four loose screws Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 (edited) Oh~ This is actually quite interesting. Culture's are funny aren't they? >w> The Japanese culture is just so different from that of the West. Many times, people complain about Japanese anime, video games, etc. when really all we have is a misunderstanding. I'm happy to see my college studies being put to good use~. And here's to hoping that the localization team(s) can do a great job balancing the intent of the original Japanese and the culture of the "incoming" country. Until then, enjoy some LizxVake. I thought they were very enjoyable because they did much to characterize both Vake and Liz, but especially Vake. Enjoy what is, at least for now, probably my personal favorite pairing. :3 [spoiler=Supports (LizxVake)] [spoiler=Supports (LizxVake C)] Vake: Crap... that guy... Where did he go?! Ah, Liz. Do you know where Krom went? Liz: I'm not going to tell. Vake: What? You're taking sides with that guy, aren't you? Liz: Yeah. it's because he's my brother. Vake, you probably intend to fight with him again. Vake: It's not a fight! It's a match between two men! Liz: Hey... Why is it that you have to compete with Brother? I want you two to get along better. Vake: Hey, our relationship isn't bad! That guy is just my rival. Liz: Why is it that Brother is your rival? Vake: Huh? Uhh... It's that... That guy, that's... Isn't it fine like this? Liz: I knew you two had a bad relationship. You hate Brother, don't you?! Vake: I don't hate him! It's that I acknowledge that guy more than I acknowledge anyone else! Because of that, I have to surpass him to become the best man in the country! Liz: Vake... Vake: Crap... Absolutely do not tell Krom what I just said! Liz: Yeah... I get it. It's a secret, right? [spoiler=Supports (LizxVake B)] Liz: Vake, I've heard some things from Brother. He says you are a friend whose ability he recognizes and improves with. Vake: That guy... He went ahead and said something stupid. Liz: Well, Vake, didn't you say something similar before? Vake: I-idiot! Don't be so loud! I said it's a secret, didn't I? Liz: Ha ha... sorry. Vake: ...Long ago, that guy snuck into the slums. Even when I provoked a fight, he didn't speak a single word about his lineage. Up until then, I thought royalty was a group full of pride but with no spirit. But that guy was different. Liz: Brother is full of spirit, and doesn't think he's better than anyone else. Vake: But when I chased that guy and joined his vigilante group, I said various things. "A boy from the slums wouldn't approach royalty." "It is improper for me to join the vigilantes." But he didn't think things like that in the slightest. He recognized me and always accepted the matches as equals. He's that kind of guy, so... Liz: Ha ha. Vake, you really li~ke Brother. Vake: Th-that's not it! Don't say something that strange! Ah, anyway! You can't tell this story to that guy, either! Liz: Ye~s. Little by little, this secret is getting bigger, Vake. Vake: Crap... I said too much... Liz: I am Brother's ally, however, I am cheering for Vake, too. After this, won't you be good friends with Brother? Vake: W-we will not be good friends! [spoiler=Supports (LizxVake A)] [TN: Make sure you read the footnotes exactly when they come up!! They are extremely important in this conversation!!] Liz: And then, Brother... *omnom* Isn't that cool? *omnom* Vake: Either eat or talk... No, just concentrate on eating. Liz: Yeah... *omnomnom* Vake: Ha... By the way, you really like Krom, don't you? Liz: Ha ha... *omnom* Vake does too, right? Vake: I keep telling you that's wrong! Jeez, why did I treat you to a meal? Liz: To keep me quiet, to keep me quiet... *omnom* Ah, thank you for the meal. Vake: Yeah. But the more I talk to you, the more amazing I think that guy is. Liz: Because it's true! Brother and Sister are my pride! But I'm different from Brother and everyone else and I don't have much worth, so... Vake: ...Huh? Liz: Ju... just kidding. Vake: Jeez, what are you talking about? You have a lot of worth! Liz: R...really? Vake: You believe the words of stupid, depressing people,1 and once you make a decision, you stubbornly stick with it. You're royalty, but you're not too full of yourself, and any time something shocking happens, you always face forward. You have gentleness and beauty like Queen Emelina's... Well, you have quite a bit of it.2 Anyone looking from anywhere can see that you have merit. Liz: Ha ha. There were also times when we ran into troubles, but... thank you. Vake: You don't know anything about yourself. Instead of having an inferiority complex, you should be more self-satisfied and find more good things about yourself. Liz: Va... Vake also doesn't know much about himself. You say you will win against Brother,3 but... There are times when you are gentle and there are times when you are very helpful... There are times when you are greater than Brother... and there's more than that. Vake: Is... is that so... 1 "You believe the words of stupid, depressing people..." - The context of this is not shown at all in English - but what Vake is really saying is that Liz has a lot of trust and purity, enough to even believe the words of those who say untrue, negative things about her. He's both complimenting her on her trust and purity and expressing his dislike for people like that. 2 "Well, you have quite a bit of it." - The true connotation of this is lost in English. It's basically a way to be really polite while Vake compliments Liz. He's humbling himself by saying this. I like to think of it as "well, not that I'm saying I know everything" but that's just what I personally took this sentence to mean 3 "You say that you will win against Brother..." - I think this is Liz being polite, instead of just outright saying that Vake appears to be a bumbling street rat always looking to pick a fight. [spoiler=Supports (LizxVake S)] Vake: Liz... have you seen that guy? Liz: I haven't seen Brother. I wonder where he is. Is it that you're going to fight again? Vake: No, it's not that... Well, I wanted to talk to you. Liz: Eh... to me? Vake: This... Will you accept this? Liz: Is this.... ring...? Vake: I requested it be made to order at a tool shop. It's a little cheap for royalty like you, but... I want you to accept it. Liz: I... If I marry, Vake and Brother will be called 'brothers-in-law,' but is it still okay? Vake: Don't ever call me that! Krom is Krom! But I still want to marry you! Liz: Awww, you're selfish. But... I like that part about you, too. This ring... is very valuable. Vake: ...Thanks. Liz: Y... yeah. We have to go tell Brother... Vake: Yes, we do. That's why I was searching for him before. Liz: Do you want to go look for him together? Vake: Yeah... Let's go. Edited July 19, 2012 by four loose screws Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misticsan Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Here we go again. Olivia x Krom, everyone! [spoiler=Olivia x Krom C]Krom: Ah, Olivia. What are you doing all alone in a place like this? Olivia: Ah, Lord Krom...! ...Y, y, yes! I, it's because I'm able to relax better when I'm by myself...! Krom: ... So you were trying to relax. Sorry for interrupting. Olivia: N, no...! I, it's alright. Please don't worry about that... Krom: Is that so... Alright then. Olivia: ........ Krom: .......... Olivia: ........ Krom: .......... I give up... I just can't seem to keep this conversation going, can I? After all, I never was all that talkative... Olivia: U, Ummm... Please excuse me! [Olivia exits stage left] Krom: Ah... Olivia!? ... Jeez. And I'm supposed to be royalty and the commander of this whole army? I'm the one who's always at the head of the vanguard, leading everyone around me, and yet I can't even hold a single conversation with one of my comrades? What the heck am I supposed to do about that...? Especially with someone like Olivia who seems to have closed off her heart. Man, this just makes me want to talk to her even more. [spoiler=Olivia x Krom B]Krom: Olivia's over there... Alright then, today I will hold a conversation with her until she opens up to me...! This is yet another of my duties as royalty and as the commander! [T/N: Yeah right] [Theatrical Blackout] Krom: I, if it isn't Olivia. What are you doing by yourself today? Olivia: Ahh! L... Lord Krom!... No, ummm, I was just... practicing my dancing... After all, dancing is the only thing I can do for the army... So it's only natural that I'd keep practicing it... Krom: ...You, you shouldn't sell yourself short like that. It's not like you'll be dismissed from the army if you stop dancing, you know? Olivia: ... I, I'm sorry... Krom: N, no... I wasn't trying to criticize you. ...Anyway, that's quite admirable, Olivia. If you hadn't practiced day in, day out, we would have all missed out on your wonderful dancing. Olivia: N, no... I'm still just a rookie... Krom: There you go beating yourself up again. Olivia: Eh... Um... I'm sorry~ ... Krom: No... it's fine. Having the desire to improve is certainly good... Well, I've gotta follow your lead, Olivia, and start working even more on my swordsmanship. Olivia: P, please don't praise me so much... I, it's embarrassing~ !! Krom: Ehh!? S, sorry...! Olivia: U, ummm... Krom: What is it, Olivia? Why do you keep staring over there...? Olivia: No, it's... just...! ... P, please excuse me! Krom: Ah, hey, Olivia!? [Olivia disappears] Krom: ... She ran off, huh? Olivia was still... a bit nervous. Oh well, today's conversation lasted a lot longer than yesterday's. Guess I'll just have to keep trying. [spoiler=Olivia x Krom A]Krom: Olivia. Olivia: L, Lord Krom! Krom: So you're practicing your dancing again today? Olivia: Ah... yes. I just finished actually. Krom: Is that so. And here I was looking forward to seeing it. Olivia: N, no way... I, I can't practice at all with someone looking at me... Krom: Eh...? But don't you show everybody your dancing on the battlefield? Olivia: T, there's no helping it when on stage or on the battlefield because it's my job... I, if possible, I like to practice by myself... Krom: Wow, you're really shy, aren't you, Olivia? And despite that, you still continue your work as a traveling entertainer. That's actually very impressive. Olivia: Lord Basilio said the same thing to me before. He'd say "It'd be another story if you were a bad dancer, but there's nothing for you to be embarrassed about if you're this good at it." ... B, but I still have a long way to go... Krom: Speaking of which, you and Basilio go back a long way, don't you? How did you get to know each other? Olivia: ... Lord Basilio saved me once. Long ago, when I was still with my troupe, a certain influential man came to our show. Unfortunately, he was a bit taken with me... He just kept trying to woo and flirt with me until Lord Basilio stepped in. Krom: To be honest, Basilio strikes me as the kind who'd also try to flirt with you, Olivia. Olivia: L, Lord Basilio once said... "A man who'd use threats or influence to try and claim a woman is not someone I can forgive!" ... Krom: I see... Sounds like something Basilio would say. He is the kind of guy who'd want to make his own charm well known in order to get people to fall for him. Olivia: *Giggle* Ufufu... Well, I'm glad the misunderstanding about Lord Basilio has been taken care of. Krom: ...Eh? Olivia: Huh...? U, um, did I do something odd? Krom: A, actually... No, Olivia. I was just thinking about how you were smiling. Olivia: Eh...? Ah, I, did I... smile? Krom: Yeah. You have a very nice smile, Olivia. Olivia: Eh!? N... no way! It's embarrassing when you say stuff like that!! Krom: I, is that so? My bad, my bad. But thanks for telling me such interesting stuff today. It also feels like I've... gotten a bit closer to you now. See you soon, Olivia. Olivia: Y... yes. I hope to see you again soon... [Krom disappears] Olivia: I was able to talk this much with Lord Krom... He looked scary at first, but he's actually a really nice guy... [spoiler=Olivia x Krom S]Olivia: ...Lord Krom. H, hello... Krom: Olivia... It's rather unusual that you're the one coming to talk to me. Olivia: ...Y, yes. Well, Lord Krom's always going out of his way to come talk to me, so I thought I'd just... Krom: I see. That makes me glad. Seeing you now, it's hard to imagine how scared and nervous you used to be around me. Olivia: Y, yes... It's taken me by surprise too... ... I never thought I'd ever go up to talk to someone or reminisce... ... The old me would have just ran off before any of that could have happened... Krom: In that case... Looks like we owe Basilio a thank-you. After all, it's because of him that we met and got this close to each other. Olivia: Y, you're right about that... Thank goodness that I got to know you, Lord Krom... Krom: Indeed... If I hadn't met you, I wouldn't have had the chance to see your smiling face. Olivia: ... I, I too never thought I'd smile like that. Because... unlike all the other guys, when I talk to you, Lord Krom, it feels like courage is filling my heart. Krom: Eh? Is that because you still think I'm scary? Olivia: U... Ummm, that is... Lord Krom is our leader and,... when you go to battle, you get this really scary expression on your face and the air around you becomes very unapproachable... Krom: ...I, I see. Olivia: Yes... But I don't think Lord Krom is scary anymore. ... Ufufu *giggling* Krom: Hahaha. Olivia... You're laughing again. And just like before, your smiling face looks great... Olivia: Yeah... I, I just can't seem to stop smiling around you, Lord Krom...! Besides... you're smiling too... You never show it during your battles but you have a really kind smile, Lord Krom. Krom: You're the one who's making me smile like that, Olivia. That's why... Olivia: Eh...? Krom: ... Hey, Olivia? If it's alright with you, I'd like to keep gazing at you like this from now on... Olivia: L, Lord Krom...? Krom: And it's not just while you're dancing either... I want to always be able to look at you and protect you. ... I want to make you happy. Olivia: Eeeh!? Y, you mean~ ... Krom: I... like you...! Won't you please... be my wife? Olivia: Uh... I, I'm so embarrassed... But, if you're fine with me! Krom: You... you really said yes! Olivia: Yes. I, whenever I talk with you, my heart feels at peace, Lord Krom. I always hoped to be with someone who made me feel like that. Krom: I feel the same way!...! A, Ah, that's right. I had this made just for this occasion. Here... This is proof of my feelings. Please... take it. Olivia: T... this is, a ring? And it has the crest of the Iris royal family engraved on it. Isn't it incredibly valuable? Krom: Yeah... Apparently, my parents had this made for me when I was born. I've always carried it around me. And, once I found a partner for me, I was to give it to her. So... that's why I'm giving it to you. Olivia: T... Thank you so much. I too... swear to always... love you forever and ever, Lord Krom. Krom: I'm glad, Olivia. From now on, we'll always be together. I'll do my very best so that I can always see your smile. Olivia: ...Yes. And, let's try to make everyone around us smile too. A world where everybody can smile... I think that'd be a wonderful place... Krom: A world where everyone can smile, huh. If the two of us are together... I'm sure we can do it. I love you, Olivia. I liked it. So far, Olivia and Soiree are my favourite candidates for Krom. Female MU was also funny. Now that I think about it, every possible marriage support has been translated already, hasn't it? Before the Christmas Cake discussion becomes too old: "Christmas Cake" is not just an anime trope - it is a part of Japanese society. If a woman is not married by age 25 - although the age nowadays is 31 for women who are interested in college and jobs - everyone seriously thinks she will not be married. Men have a little bit more leeway than women do, but it really is in the culture that if a person is not married by a certain age, it's never going to happen. I like to think this franchise is medieval-type fantasy, but when it is created by Japanese people, the personalities will reflect the mindset of the average Japanese person. It can't really be helped. And here's my best explanation for the "weak" females: In Japan, to humble yourself is to be polite. I think the females are always saying they aren't that strong or "belittling" themselves because that's just what Japanese people do to be polite. It does not at all mean she thinks that she's weak and useless. She just wants to be polite, and that's a way to do so in Japan. Meanwhile, male characters won't do it, because it's more important that they fit into the trope of "cool anime/video game guy" than reflect real people. Hope that clears some stuff up in a relatively concise manner and to the best of my understanding. Thanks, that's very interesting. And your explanation about weakness and politeness provides, at least for me, a new way of reading those scenes. However, be it from anime or from general Japanese culture, it's still a blatant case of Double Standard, so I don't like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexington Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Before the Christmas Cake discussion becomes too old: "Christmas Cake" is not just an anime trope - it is a part of Japanese society. If a woman is not married by age 25 - although the age nowadays is 31 for women who are interested in college and jobs - everyone seriously thinks she will not be married. Men have a little bit more leeway than women do, but it really is in the culture that if a person is not married by a certain age, it's never going to happen. I like to think this franchise is medieval-type fantasy, but when it is created by Japanese people, the personalities will reflect the mindset of the average Japanese person. It can't really be helped. We actually have something similar here in parts of Germany. When a woman turns 25 and isn't married, she gets the "Schachtelfest", lierally it would mean "box festival", but in this case "Schachtel" means something like "hag". She also gets lots of boxes as presents. It's more of a joke nowadays, because right now lots of women are not married by 25. Something similar exists for men too, depending on the region it can be at the 25th or 30th birthday. They, for example, have to sweep in front of the city hall, until a virgin gives them a kiss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karasz Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 (edited) The Japanese culture is just so different from that of the West. Many times, people complain about Japanese anime, video games, etc. when really all we have is a misunderstanding. I'm happy to see my college studies being put to good use~. And here's to hoping that the localization team(s) can do a great job balancing the intent of the original Japanese and the culture of the "incoming" country. Until then, enjoy some LizxVake. I thought they were very enjoyable because they did much to characterize both Vake and Liz, but especially Vake. Enjoy what is, at least for now, probably my personal favorite pairing. :3 [spoiler=Supports (LizxVake)] [spoiler=Supports (LizxVake C)] Vake: Crap... that guy... Where did he go?! Ah, Liz. Do you know where Krom went? Liz: I'm not going to tell. Vake: What? You're taking sides with that guy, aren't you? Liz: Yeah. it's because he's my brother. Vake, you probably intend to fight with him again. Vake: It's not a fight! It's a match between two men! Liz: Hey... Why is it that you have to compete with Brother? I want you two to get along better. Vake: Hey, our relationship isn't bad! That guy is just my rival. Liz: Why is it that Brother is your rival? Vake: Huh? Uhh... It's that... That guy, that's... Isn't it fine like this? Liz: I knew you two had a bad relationship. You hate Brother, don't you?! Vake: I don't hate him! It's that I acknowledge that guy more than I acknowledge anyone else! Because of that, I have to surpass him to become the best man in the country! Liz: Vake... Vake: Crap... Absolutely do not tell Krom what I just said! Liz: Yeah... I get it. It's a secret, right? [spoiler=Supports (LizxVake B)] Liz: Vake, I've heard some things from Brother. He says you are a friend whose ability he recognizes and improves with. Vake: That guy... He went ahead and said something stupid. Liz: Well, Vake, didn't you say something similar before? Vake: I-idiot! Don't be so loud! I said it's a secret, didn't I? Liz: Ha ha... sorry. Vake: ...Long ago, that guy snuck into the slums. Even when I provoked a fight, he didn't speak a single word about his lineage. Up until then, I thought royalty was a group full of pride but with no spirit. But that guy was different. Liz: Brother is full of spirit, and doesn't think he's better than anyone else. Vake: But when I chased that guy and joined his vigilante group, I said various things. "A boy from the slums wouldn't approach royalty." "It is improper for me to join the vigilantes." But he didn't think things like that in the slightest. He recognized me and always accepted the matches as equals. He's that kind of guy, so... Liz: Ha ha. Vake, you really li~ke Brother. Vake: Th-that's not it! Don't say something that strange! Ah, anyway! You can't tell this story to that guy, either! Liz: Ye~s. Little by little, this secret is getting bigger, Vake. Vake: Crap... I said too much... Liz: I am Brother's ally, however, I am cheering for Vake, too. After this, won't you be good friends with Brother? Vake: W-we will not be good friends! [spoiler=Supports (LizxVake A)] [TN: Make sure you read the footnotes exactly when they come up!! They are extremely important in this conversation!!] Liz: And then, Brother... *omnom* Isn't that cool? *omnom* Vake: Either eat or talk... No, just concentrate on eating. Liz: Yeah... *omnomnom* Vake: Ha... By the way, you really like Krom, don't you? Liz: Ha ha... *omnom* Vake does too, right? Vake: I keep telling you that's wrong! Jeez, why did I treat you to a meal? Liz: To keep me quiet, to keep me quiet... *omnom* Ah, thank you for the meal. Vake: Yeah. But the more I talk to you, the more amazing I think that guy is. Liz: Because it's true! Brother and Sister are my pride! But I'm different from Brother and everyone else and I don't have much worth, so... Vake: ...Huh? Liz: Ju... just kidding. Vake: Jeez, what are you talking about? You have a lot of worth! Liz: R...really? Vake: You believe the words of stupid, depressing people,1 and once you make a decision, you stubbornly stick with it. You're royalty, but you're not too full of yourself, and any time something shocking happens, you always face forward. You have gentleness and beauty like Queen Emelina's... Well, you have quite a bit of it.2 Anyone looking from anywhere can see that you have merit. Liz: Ha ha. There were also times when we ran into troubles, but... thank you. Vake: You don't know anything about yourself. Instead of having an inferiority complex, you should be more self-satisfied and find more good things about yourself. Liz: Va... Vake also doesn't know much about himself. You say you will win against Brother,3 but... There are times when you are gentle and there are times when you are very helpful... There are times when you are greater than Brother... and there's more than that. Vake: Is... is that so... 1 "You believe the words of stupid, depressing people..." - The context of this is not shown at all in English - but what Vake is really saying is that Liz has a lot of trust and purity, enough to even believe the words of those who say untrue, negative things about her. He's both complimenting her on her trust and purity and expressing his dislike for people like that. 2 "Well, you have quite a bit of it." - The true connotation of this is lost in English. It's basically a way to be really polite while Vake compliments Liz. He's humbling himself by saying this. I like to think of it as "well, not that I'm saying I know everything" but that's just what I personally took this sentence to mean 3 "You say that you will win against Brother..." - I think this is Liz being polite, instead of just outright saying that Vake appears to be a bumbling street rat always looking to pick a fight. [spoiler=Supports (LizxVake S)] Vake: Liz... have you seen that guy? Liz: I haven't seen Brother. I wonder where he is. Is it that you're going to fight again? Vake: No, it's not that... Well, I wanted to talk to you. Liz: Eh... to me? Vake: This... Will you accept this? Liz: Is this.... ring...? Vake: I requested it be made to order at a tool shop. It's a little cheap for royalty like you, but... I want you to accept it. Liz: I... If I marry, Vake and Brother will be called 'brothers-in-law,' but is it still okay? Vake: Don't ever call me that! Krom is Krom! But I still want to marry you! Liz: Awww, you're selfish. But... I like that part about you, too. This ring... is very valuable. Vake: ...Thanks. Liz: Y... yeah. We have to go tell Brother... Vake: Yes, we do. That's why I was searching for him before. Liz: Do you want to go look for him together? Vake: Yeah... Let's go. Even if it is incomplete, I'm starting to like this one a bit. Gives some insight into Vake's origins and why he and Krom are always fighting. I guess this further hits upon the mention from NonoXVake of him growing up in the slums. He and Ronku are more alike than we think. Haha Edited October 25, 2012 by Karaszure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluehairlord Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 From /feg/ MU/Paris C Paris: Oh MU, you came just in time. MU: Huh? Paris...w-what is it? Paris: ...If you want, I can teach you the theories behind my fighting. MU: Eh...Y-your theories!? S-sure! If Paris is going to teach me, I would definitely want to listen. Though, why me...? Paris: ...You are the tactician. It's not an exaggeration that you are holding the fate of the army in your hands. So, I think following my theories may be a little helpful. MU: I-I see..! Then, please teach me! Paris: First, breathing is the fundamentals of fighting. MU: Breathing...? Paris: That's right. To take the "Qi" that exists in the air into yourself, and harness the strength of Qi. Everything starts from here, and in the end there would also be areas with huge differences. Do you know...what you need to do for this? MU: Erm...get clean air? Paris: Impressive...you do understand. The air used for refining Qi is extremely important. In ancient times, the disciples would travel to the mountains for pure air. MU: ...This is getting pretty deep. Paris: ...Now that I think about it, how many years ago was it when I started my mountain training...I was still a kid when I fought that ferocious bear. MU: What!? A bear!? As a kid!? Paris: Yep. MU: ...D-did you win? Paris: ...If I lost, I wouldn't be standing here right now. MU: R-right... Paris: Yeah...It was because of the purified air of the mountains that made me stronger and led me victorious that battle against the bear. Taking the breath of the ancient trees that continuously stood their ground, surrounding it around the body, and then refining it. MU: ...Paris, you're different from usual, talking lively all the sudden. Though...when will you finish? Paris: Hm? ...MU, did you say something? MU: Ah, n-no...it's nothing. Paris: Then let's continue. By uniting the air, your physical strength, and Qi, you focus on your fighting spirit and release.... B MU: ...Well, I have some free time, so I might as well start cleaning everyone's weapons. Though the soldiers did a pretty good job...once you leave it alone for a bit, the weapons would already start to rust. Paris: ...That's right. Weapons are truly such delicate items. MU: Whoa! P-Paris! Paris: The beautiful blade of a sword...The sharp and polished thrusts of a spear...One one hand they hide the strength to defeat enemies, and on the other they are extremely fragile. Taking care of weapons is like taking care of one's life...If you neglect to do that, you may as well lose your very life. MU: That sounds harsh...as expected of Paris... Paris: Originally, the weapons you use should be forged with your own hands. MU: Eh? Really? Paris: Yeah. By making your own weapon, you become familiar with it throughout the process. All of this could be called the beginning of "My Weapon." MU: I see...Though in reality, it might be a little difficult for all the soldiers to perform this... Paris: That's true...I also do not wish to force this on others. This is only my unshakable belief...a difference of lifestyles. Though, getting used to weapons at their limits is as if you were constantly holding your life at risk... MU: Paris...You're pretty lively person when it comes to talking about fighting. You gave an impression of being quiet and cool-headed, but you're unexpectedly like a passionist. Though...this conversation is getting pretty long. Paris: Hm? ...Did you say something? MU: Ah, no. It's nothing. Paris: There's a legend from another world saying that if you continue to use the weapons with love, a soul will begin to form inside it. Surely this is the time when the weapon surpasses itself as a weapon, and it may even be called a miracle...A soul is born in the weapon, and forms a bond with its owner... A MU: It's been awhile since we had a warm meal today. I'm even starting to feel warm. Paris: ...Yep. Meals are certainly important to swordsman. Let us be grateful. MU: Ah, Paris! Paris: Just in time...then let us talk about the importance of meals today. MU: Eh? There's also specifics about meals? Paris: ...It's also another part of a warrior's knowledge. When we have meals, we are taking the life of another animal and consuming it in ourselves. So, wasting food is unacceptable. You must be grateful towards all things before you eat. MU: ...Paris, you're talking so lively again...I realized it recently but, Paris is unexpectedly a talkative person... Paris: ...Hm? What is it, did something happen? MU: Ah, no! Uh...Paris really likes to talk about his hobbies huh... Paris: ...Was I really talking that much? I didn't plan to...it seems like I'm changing little by little from hanging around you guys. Though...is this change really good? ...Maybe it's because I have simply become weak... MU: ...I don't think so. The fact that you are able to say "I may be weak" is proof. Your strength and the strict regimes you have towards yourself are the same as before. I can vouch for that. Paris: Hmm...you can vouch for it huh. Then, is there any value in believing you? MU: Yes, of course! ...I felt a feeling of kindness and gentleness from Paris before. For example, teaching me the theories of warriors is a sign of kindness, right? Paris: True, I thought...that my power would be useful to you. MU: Yes, that is a sign of kindness. ...So, I want to learn all the theories about warriors from Paris! You would still teach me those from now right!? Paris: Yeah...That's right. I will drill all the theories I have into you! ...Are you prepared, MU? MU: ...Yes, I look forward to it! Paris: Then, let us continue our conversation about meals. To eat...is nothing but to consume souls. MU: And then from here, it's going to get really long... Paris: That is in the food, connected with it and together they spin in an endless circle. You can say that they are surrounding each other. Hardening the body means sharing it with the souls of the living beings that you consume... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momo Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 The idea of Paris being some weirdo that just appears starts rambling on and on about stuff is way more appealing than the guy we saw in the Female MU support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four loose screws Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Even if it is incomplete, I'm starting to like this one a bit. Gives some insight into Vake's origins and why he and Krom are always fighting. I guess this further hits upon the mention from NonoXVake of him growing up in the slums. He and Ronku are more alike than we think. Haha Even though I haven't finished AS yet (Vake has gifted me with another large wall of text I haven't deciphered in the A support), I thought the B support was so important for Vake's character that I posted the first two. I took out my frustrations with LizxVake's A support by translating MariabellxRonku's S support (and it was bugging me that we have CBA here yet I can't find S), so enjoy. [spoiler=MariabellxRonku S support] Mariabell: Now go ahead... Mr. Ronku. Ronku: Y-yeah... Mariabell: Please hang in there for just a little bit longer... Ronku: ...Ah! Mariabell: Good job! You touched me properly! Fufu, your fingers were cold. Ronku: Your cheek... was warm... Mariabell: The distance between us is closing, little by little. This shall be the end of today's practice. Ronku: But the results of your practice may not last... Will I certainly be able to do things like speak and act normally around all women..? Mariabell: Ah, how impolite. My method of normal thinking is perfect, isn't it?1 Ronku: Yes, that's so... However, I have only just now gotten as far as touching your cheek... I'm sorry it took so long to associate like this. Mariabell: I don't mind. But is this really how things will be? Will I know soon that there are long term effects, or will our work together be taken away? Ronku: What do you mean...? Mariabell: I want to help you find someone to be with forever in marriage. Ronku:Y... you don't have to go that far... That's not your duty... Mariabell: You're so thickheaded. Do you think I'm saying this is about something like duty? Ronku: So that's not it... I'm sorry. Mariabell: That isn't what I've been saying up to this point. Are you speaking your feelings? Ronku: ...... I... love you... If I can... I want to protect you for years to come. But, if I can't be up front about something like touching you, I don't think I have what it takes to do it... Mariabell: Mr. Ronku... I'm not in a hurry. You have all the time in the world. I will wait until you have overcome your fear... even if it means forever. Ronku: Thanks... Mariabell. Let's... practice once more. I want to hold your hand. If I can hold your hand, we will go into town. I need to buy... a ring. Mariabell: Fufu, I understand. Please come over here quickly... 1 I think "method of normal thinking sounds a bit awkward in English, but I couldn't figure out a better way to word it, so I chose to go more on the literal side with my translation. Oh well. It's hard to find the balance between 'literal' and 'not awkward;' as I'm sure other points of my translations are a little odd-sounding as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samias Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 (edited) If only Wood and Paris had a support together. I have a strange feeling they would get along quite well... Mariabel coaxing out a confession from Ronku makes me pretty happy though. She's definitely one of my favs... I'm a sucker for ojou types. Edited July 14, 2012 by Samias Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunwoo Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Hahaha, I like Mariabel/Ronku even more now. I thought I liked Mariabel/Krom, but this one was even better. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archsage17 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 When Paris is talking about continuously using a weapon until it develops a soul...is that a reference to Genealogy of the Holy War? You know when you keep using a weapon in that game (get 50 kills) and eventually that weapon gets the critical skill. Dang that's a pretty good reference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ein Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Ronku is awesomely awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroknighticalFeats Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Hi guys, I'm back from Japan! Bad news is I got a cold right after getting back (this seems to be a repeat thing for me, sadly... ). REGARDLESS, I'll still try to translate supports. On my list right now: Chambrady (Chambray / Brady) - translating right now. Experimenting is fun, no? Grego x Nono - I have a feeling I know where this is going. Male Mark / Chambray - (Non-sibling from what I can tell) - Chambray is Chambray... yet again. Vake / Noire (Father/Daughter) - Probably after Vake x Sariya is up. If no one is doing that yet I might do that as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elhienn Hovercast Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Hi guys, I'm back from Japan! Bad news is I got a cold right after getting back (this seems to be a repeat thing for me, sadly... ). REGARDLESS, I'll still try to translate supports. On my list right now: Chambrady (Chambray / Brady) - translating right now. Experimenting is fun, no? Grego x Nono - I have a feeling I know where this is going. Male Mark / Chambray - (Non-sibling from what I can tell) - Chambray is Chambray... yet again. Vake / Noire (Father/Daughter) - Probably after Vake x Sariya is up. If no one is doing that yet I might do that as well. "Blinks", Oh, so Male Mark can support with all of the others guys in the second gen? I want to thank you in advance for translating all of these supports~THANK YOU!!~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Othin Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 "Blinks", Oh, so Male Mark can support with all of the others guys in the second gen? No; just Wood and Chambray. Similarly, female Mark's only supports with female Gen 2 characters are Noire and Nn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elhienn Hovercast Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 (edited) No; just Wood and Chambray. Similarly, female Mark's only supports with female Gen 2 characters are Noire and Nn. HE CAN'T SUPPORT WITH AZURE? NOOOOOOOOOOOO~there goes my dream to see Azure owned by all the guys in 2 gen in picking chicks *sobs in the corner* Ok, back to the topic, at first I was pretty much "Bleh" or "Don't give a phuck" about the support between Paris and FemMU, then I saw a fanart of Krom being jealous of FemMU for sewing Paris clothes, it was hilarious even if I didn't understand shit of japanese XD, now I support threesome FemMU x Paris 8D http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=manga&illust_id=28598917 Edited July 14, 2012 by Elhienn Hovercast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miscellany Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 (edited) Well, I guess this is a good a time as any to say what I'll be doing: More Degel! Specifically, her father supports with Callum, and then her conversations with Azure. Also, that comic is hilarious. Krom: My cape is frayed! FeMU: Frayed...isn't it brand new? Edited July 14, 2012 by Miscellany Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xeniferos Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Hi guys, I'm back from Japan! Bad news is I got a cold right after getting back (this seems to be a repeat thing for me, sadly... ). REGARDLESS, I'll still try to translate supports. On my list right now: Chambrady (Chambray / Brady) - translating right now. Experimenting is fun, no? Grego x Nono - I have a feeling I know where this is going. Male Mark / Chambray - (Non-sibling from what I can tell) - Chambray is Chambray... yet again. Vake / Noire (Father/Daughter) - Probably after Vake x Sariya is up. If no one is doing that yet I might do that as well. Chambrady sounds oddly... adorable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroknighticalFeats Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Chambrady sounds oddly... adorable. Trust me... it's hilarious. The punk priest and the cowardly rabbit... Should I spoil their support topic or should I just let you guys find out when I post the whole thing? *taking votes* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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