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[Colonel M]

Don't forget that Haar has the Brave Lance (I did mention it in Swordmaster scenario), which actually has +1 Mt / +5 Hit. Unless Haar goes into shitty bio phase, I doubt his Hit is that low. With WTA, Haar has 134 Hit to the Swordmaster's 47 (this is assuming my Haar levels). Haar at neutral has 87% displayed. I guess negative bio situations can knock it to 67% I think (well you gain +10 Avoid and -10 Hit I guess at worst), but that's assuming worst on Haar and Best on the Swordmaster.

I would also think that Aether / Sol is pretty fucking useful. Even if it is seen as "unnecessary" due to it falling to chance, you can't ignore a free heal whatsoever. It limits Mist needing to heal another unit possibly.

Edited by Colonel M, 12 May 2012 - 06:59 PM.

[eclipse]

Someone correct me if I've screwed up the numbers. Enemy stats from here.

Base Lucia has 15 STR and 21 SKL. That means she's got a whopping 24 ATK and 55% crit with a Killing Edge and a 10% chance to proc Astra. Given the situations that were outlined in the previous link, and replacing Silver Beatstick with Killing Edge:

- She will fail ORKO the strongest cats, even with double criticals (18 x 2 < 42) or an Astra (6 x 5 < 42). To ORKO that cat, she'd need to get Astra (10%), and get a crit (55%).

- She'll finally be able to ORKO the Ravens, but it'll require one of two 53% crits to hit. Astra will also kill, but that's still 10%.

- She'll also ORKO the Warriors, if you're willing to flip coins (exact 50% crit chance here). However, she can't ORKO the 13 DEF one unless Astra kicks in or she crits twice.

- She requires a crit, or she'll end up doing an amazing 13 damage to the Swordmaster.

- Thanks to WTD, Lucia cannot ORKO the Halberdier without Astra or double crits.

Single crits are iffy enough; requiring Astra or double crits is not to Lucia's advantage.

EDIT: I realized I screwed up the cat calcs, but I don't have time to fix them fully ATM.

Edited by eclipse, 12 May 2012 - 06:27 PM.

[aku chi]

Not rating anything but isn't Astra in this game strictly worse than a critical by half of your normal single-hit damage output and 4 weapon uses

No. Astra activates independently of crits. So if you crit once during an Astra, you deal 3.5x damage. If you crit more than once during an Astra (likely with the Killer Edge or Vague Katti), you deal at least 4.5x normal damage. Also, despite the animation, weapon uses are not expended beyond what it takes to kill your foe, so claims that Astra kills weapon durability are overstated. Astra is a decent enough skill. It's low activation rate makes it subpar, but occasionally useful.

The problem with Lucia and the Killer Edge is her poor Atk. It doesn't give her good odds to ORKO Generals, Cats, or Tigers. The other enemies are generally within her power to 2HKO with a Silver Sword forge (and perhaps some Bexp). If Lucia can 4HKO with the Killer Edge, she can 2HKO with a Silver Sword forge, so there's really no point to it.

Still, Lucia does have a smallish chance to crit with the Silver Sword forge, which is pretty cool, I guess. It gives her a slight edge against laguz that Haar can't double.

I still don't see how one could conclude that Lucia has better combat than Haar. Let's not forget that Haar can ORKO Sages, Snipers, Warriors, and Halberdiers at 1-2 range! Lucia does have a chance to pull off some decent 1-2 range combat with the Runesword - but only after C26 and only for 7-8 rounds of combat. Lucia is also weighed down some by the Runesword, which definitely jeopardizes her ability to double Swordmasters and might prevent her from doubling the fastest laguz, too.

[Thor Odinson]

I thought they didn't stack in Tellius

[aku chi]

I thought they didn't stack in Tellius

They do in FE9, they don't in FE10.

[Thor Odinson]

I see.

[Colonel M]

Yeah, the reason why Lucia misses some ORKOes in Chapter 25 with Brave Sword (well, being able to quad Cats) is because she loses 1 AS from the weapon. Kind of funny, actually.

[Snowy_One]

Astra is a poor choice for a SM anyways since any equal number of criticals with normal attacks would deal far more and, if Astra fails to critical on it's opening move, you're doomed to expend more weapon uses than you would have normally (and even if it does critical, unless the foe would die in that 1.5 attack, you have to waste another strike. A similar critical without Astra would deal more damage).

And the KE? Seriously? It has only 9 MT. There are other SM who get within 1 attack of that without even wielding a weapon. I mean, I like criticals and I think the killers can have a use, even that late in the game, but even if they were super-special-chocolately-awesome at that use, Lucia's not the one to hold them (Zihark/Mia/Stefan are).