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[Furetchen]

HELLO, WORTHY COMPANIONS!

I have seen the scarred battlefield of balance hacks. Nay, I have SURVEYED the CARNAGE! And it is good. It is also the reason for my 30% warn bar, but mostly it is good. And I have decided to give it a go for myself, because I figured why the fuck not?

CHANGES MAY INCLUDE

Spoiler (this is more or less completely unorganised)

GENERAL CHANGES
+ All promotions happen through earth seal, save the lords.
+ Pegasi use swords before promotion.
+ Isadora and Vaida use male aid formula.
+ Effective weapons buffed, because of crappy x2 effectiveness formula I can't change.
+ Units use HM average stats even outside of HM. Harken is the opposite.
+ Caps generally raised.
+ Enemy stats improved
+ Holy Weapons + Sol Katti buffed
+ Nerfs to javs/handaxen/hawks/short/spears

THE UNTOUCHED
Matthew
Legault
Jaffar
Lowen
Hawkeye
Hector
Florina
Fiora
Vaida
Geitz
Heath
Canas
Ninils
Serra
Oswin

THE BUFFS
Eliwood
Level 1 Fencer
HP: 20
Str: 7
Skl: 8
Spd: 8
Lck: 7
Def: 6
Res: 0
Con: 7

Wallace (as Knight)
HP: 36 (40) 100%
Str: 16 (18) 60%
Skl: 10 (12) 50%
Spd: 7 (10) 30%
Lck: 10 (10) 50%
Def: 15 (17) 60%
Res: 2 (5) 20%
Rejoins next to player units

Rath
HP: 28
Str: 10
Spd: 14
Con: 7
B Bows

Karel
HP: 36
Spd: 25
Con: 11
Starts with a Lightbrand as well as his Wo Dao.

Lyn
HP: 18
Str: 6
Skl: 7
Def: 4
Con: 6

Erk
HP: 18
Mag: 7
Skl: 7
Spd: 8
Def: 4
Con: 6

Louise
HP: 32
Str: 15
Skl: 18
Def: 11
Con: 8

Nino
Level 10 Mage
HP: 25
Mag: 10
Skl: 12
Spd: 15
Lck: 15
Def: 6
Res: 11
Con: 5

Karla
Level 5 Swordmaster
HP: 35
Str: 18
Skl: 26
Spd: 24
Lck: 26
Def: 14
Res: 14
Con: 9

Lucius
Lck: 6/30

Isadora
Con: 9

Wil
Level 4 Archer
HP: 22/85
Str: 10/40
Skl: 10/60
Spd: 8/40
Lck: 8/40
Def: 7/30
Res: 0/15
Con: 8

Rebecca
Level 3 Archer
HP: 20
Str: 8/40
Skl: 9/60
Spd: 9/60
Lck: 6/50
Def: 6/25
Res: 2/25
Con: 7

Guy
As base but with 7 Con.

Dorcas
Str: 9
Spd: 6/30

Bartre
Str: 7
Spd: 7

Dart
Spd: 10
Con: 12

Farina is free.

THE NERFS
Sain
HP: 20
Str: 7
Spd: 5

Kent
Spd: 6
Res: 0

Marcus
HP: 30/50
Str: 12/30
Skl: 12/30
Spd: 11/15
Lck: 6/25
Def: 10/15
Res: 0/15
Con: 11
Class: Hero
Weapon Ranks: A Sword, D Axe
Starting Weapons: Silver Blade, Iron Blade

Raven
HP: 28
Str: 11
Skl: 13
Spd: 11
Lck: 2
Def: 6
Res: 0
Con: 8

Priscilla
E Staves

Pent
Mag: 15
Spd: 13
Lck: 10
Def: 8
C Staves

Athos
Can no longer use Dark Magic.

Harken starts with a Killing Edge and a Handaxe. The Brave Sword drops off Jerme or a random hero.

This is more or less a first draft, so feel free to flame the shit out of it.

EDIT: okay maybe the title doesn't need to be ALL-CAPS

also yeah [spoiler][/quote] I wish I didn't do this all the fucking time

Edited by Furetchen, 17 May 2012 - 03:48 PM.

[HeroMaster47]

Heh, not only a week after I start a FE7 balance hack, there is another.

A lot of the changes you've put forward look really nice. Marcus may be nerfed, but I do approve of him being a hero. Thank God you haven't made the Short Bow 1-2 range.

But Priscilla having 1 base def... why? Also, I think Karla and Nino should be listed under buffs, not nerfs, and why must you nerf Pent's awesomeness???

Eliwood's a Lv. 1... Fencer? Are you pulling an Yggdra Union on us? Or is that something weird in the localisation?

Otherwise, these current changes are not bad at all. I'll betatest if you need me to.

You're reason for making a hack is the same as mine: why the fuck not?

Edited by HeroMaster47, 17 May 2012 - 04:17 AM.

[Furetchen]

But Priscilla having 1 base def... why?

Nothing more than that I felt she needed to take a hit, but I just thought of lowering her staff rank to E. Which would probably work a ton better so I'll put that into the OP.

Also, I think Karla and Nino should be listed under buffs, not nerfs

... I'm organised!

i mean

NO NINO NEEDED THOSE FIVE MORE LEVELS TO ACHIEVE TRUE JUSTICE AT LEVEL 20/20

and why must you nerf Pent's awesomeness???

"Ah, just promoted Erk, have we? WELL SOZ BRAH"

Eliwood's a Lv. 1... Fencer? Are you pulling an Yggdra Union on us? Or is that something weird in the localisation?

I just like to differentiate the class names of the lords. Hector's a Gallant, Lyn's a ... something.

Otherwise, these current changes are not bad at all. I'll betatest if you need me to.

You're reason for making a hack is the same as mine: why the fuck not?

pretty much

[HeroMaster47]

NO NINO NEEDED THOSE FIVE MORE LEVELS TO ACHIEVE TRUE JUSTICE AT LEVEL 20/20

YES! That's exactly what was needed!

Priscilla having E-rank staves is probably better than her having 1 base Def. In vanilla FE7, her base is only 3, and her growth is 15% or something, so she'll be taking a hit if you're stupid enough to let her get in range of an attack anyway.

Now it makes sense why Eliwood's called that now. Thanks for clearing that up.

Edited by HeroMaster47, 17 May 2012 - 04:38 AM.

[Baldrick]

Farina in EM? (Dunno how the hell it'd work, though)

Lyn could do with some more HP; 18/4 is still pretty bad.

One single promotion item seems a bit unnecessary (I guess if you want to promote Matthew early or something you can)

Put Bolting and status staves everywhere, they're great fun

Other than that, changes look good!

Edited by Baldrick, 17 May 2012 - 04:49 AM.

[Hawk King]

That Pent Nerf is pretty extreme...

Dart could use a tiny buff to his SKL growth.

7 base SPD for Bartre is kinda too high. He has a 40% growth. I think he might be too good with a 7 base SPD. A 5 or 6 would be better.

I really like what you plan to do with Marcus and a CON buff is definitely a good idea for those anorexic units. Stupid Guy...


edit: HOLY SHIT! 26 LUCK for Karla?? Is that a typo? Her base stats will all be fucking insane...

Edited by Hawk King, 17 May 2012 - 05:20 AM.

[Shin]

The mighty Shin has arrived! After taming the beast known as FE4 balance (or at least I tell myself that), I will aid part of my OTP!

CHANGES MAY INCLUDE

Spoiler (this is more or less completely unorganised)

GENERAL CHANGES
+ All promotions happen through earth seal, save the lords. Interesting twist - I'd like to see how this turns out.
+ Pegasi use swords before promotion. - Also interesting, changes their early game quite a bit.
+ Isadora and Vaida use male aid formula. - Hey look, they can actually rescue people!
+ Effective weapons buffed, because of crappy x2 effectiveness formula I can't change. Could work out well, I've never really had an issue with them.
+ Units use HM average stats even outside of HM. Harken is the opposite. Uh... so there's no such thing as HM bonuses?
+ Caps generally raised. I didn't notice much cap ramming in FE7, still, I guess it can't hurt. Sain will love you for this.
+ Enemy stats improved Woo!
+ Holy Weapons + Sol Katti buffed Sol Katti definitely needed it!

THE UNTOUCHED
Matthew - Groovy
Legault - Swell
Jaffar - Funky
Lowen - I'd suggest a minor buff, but at least you didn't nerf him!
Hawkeye - He was the man any way
Hector - See above
Florina - She was fine, but I guess she benefits from swords
Fiora - See above
Vaida - Maybe a tad slow, but still understandable
Geitz - Fine
Heath - Bodacious
Canas - Another candidate for a buff, especially since enemies are tougher
Ninils - Boogie!
Serra - Coolio
Oswin - Other than the move, he's gold. But I guess your promotion edit fixes that.

THE BUFFS
Eliwood A much needed early game boost
Level 1 Fencer
HP: 20
Str: 7
Skl: 8
Spd: 8
Lck: 7
Def: 6
Res: 0
Con: 7

Wallace (as Knight)
HP: 36 (40) 100%
Str: 16 (18) 60%
Skl: 10 (12) 50%
Spd: 7 (10) 30%
Lck: 10 (10) 50%
Def: 15 (17) 60%
Res: 2 (5) 20%
Rejoins next to player units No more suicide for you!

Rath Helps him catch up, nice stuff!
HP: 28
Str: 10
Spd: 14
Con: 7
B Bows

Karel 11's pretty high, but no biggie.
HP: 36
Spd: 25
Con: 11
Starts with a Lightbrand as well as his Wo Dao.

Lyn - Woo.
HP: 18
Str: 6
Skl: 7
Def: 4
Con: 6

Erk No complaints here
HP: 18
Mag: 7
Skl: 7
Spd: 8
Def: 4
Con: 6

Louise No real comments.
HP: 32
Str: 15
Skl: 18
Def: 11
Con: 8

Nino Hey look, she's not trash! I would have done something similar.
Level 10 Mage
HP: 25
Mag: 10
Skl: 12
Spd: 15
Lck: 15
Def: 6
Res: 11
Con: 5

Karla Somewhat usable now.
Level 5 Swordmaster
HP: 35
Str: 18
Skl: 26
Spd: 24
Lck: 26
Def: 14
Res: 14
Con: 9

Lucius Doesn't crit-explode, cool.
Lck: 6/30

Isadora - Isn't weighed down by stuff, fun.
Con: 9

Wil A much needed base boost.
Level 2 Archer
HP: 20/85
Str: 8/60
Skl: 8/60
Spd: 6/40
Lck: 8/40
Def: 7/30
Res: 0/15
Con: 8

Rebecca See above
Level 1 Archer
HP: 18
Str: 7/40
Skl: 7/60
Spd: 7/60
Lck: 4/50
Def: 5/25
Res: 2/25
Con: 7

Guy Sure, why not?
As base but with 7 Con.

Dorcas Workable
Str: 9
Spd: 6/30

Bartre That speed saves him.
Str: 7
Spd: 7

Dart Con? Sure.
Spd: 10
Con: 12

Farina is free. Free? Well, no harm done.

THE NERFS
Sain Pretty minor, but hey.
HP: 20
Str: 7
Spd: 5

Kent Again, pretty minor.
Spd: 6
Res: 0

Marcus Ouch, you've hit him pretty hard, early game HHM is going to be a pain.
HP: 30/50
Str: 12/30
Skl: 12/30
Spd: 8/15
Lck: 6/25
Def: 10/15
Res: 0/15
Con: 11
Class: Hero
Weapon Ranks: A Sword, D Axe
Starting Weapons: Silver Blade, Iron Blade

Raven Gives Guy a chance, his speed was pretty crazy any way.
HP: 28
Str: 11
Skl: 13
Spd: 11
Lck: 2
Def: 6
Res: 0
Con: 8

Priscilla She'll get back up to D in no time. I guess it gives people a reason to use Serra.
E Staves

Pent Ouch. Now he's a replacement Lucius. Insta-warp, I shall miss you.
Mag: 15
Spd: 13
Lck: 10
Def: 8
C Staves

Athos Hey look, the dragon might be an actual challenge!
Can no longer use Dark Magic.

Harken starts with a Killing Edge and a Handaxe. The Brave Sword drops off Jerme or a random hero.

Nice stuff. I commend you on Bartre and Nino. Marcus may have been hit a little too hard, but it's your call.

[Furetchen]

That Pent Nerf is pretty extreme...

I'll probably make him start closer to the main group so that the desert chapter doesn't completely fuck him over. In fact, given that I usually just let Pent roll that and try to pick off both bosses, I could use some advice on how to make that better. ... Maybe just make sand count as normal tiles.

Dart could use a tiny buff to his SKL growth.

Tiny buffs get tiny results.

7 base SPD for Bartre is kinda too high. He has a 40% growth. I think he might be too good with a 7 base SPD. A 5 or 6 would be better.

Lowen also has 7 str/spd, and is mounted. I don't hear a lot about his being 'too good'.

edit: HOLY SHIT! 26 LUCK for Karla?? Is that a typo? Her base stats will all be fucking insane...

Her base luck is actually pretty damn high. I mean, she's your 'reward' for sticking with Bartre... so I figured, let's make her actually somewhat rewarding.

Nice stuff. I commend you on Bartre and Nino. Marcus may have been hit a little too hard, but it's your call.

Marcus will probably need playtesting, but on the whole I'm happy with this draft for him. Thanks for your thoughts.

[Hawk King]

Thats cause Lowen has 30% STR and SPD growths. I honestly think Bartre would be too good. Definitly the best non-mounted combat unit.

Its your balance hack though so in the end its your call.

[Furetchen]

Lowen has mediocre offensive growths. He also has excellent defences, and is mounted with partial and then total weapon triangle control, with a practically perfect 10 constitution. Bartre still has to contend with Raven, a boosted Guy, a boosted Dorcas...

[Zeem]

Holy fuck, Wallace might actually be usable. This looks interesting.

Also, is Eliwood still the main lord, even though he's a fencer?

[Furetchen]

Again, all three lords have PURELY COSMETIC and LARGELY POINTLESS class name changes just because I disliked that three completely different classes had the same name.

[Hawk King]

And Barte has a "Super Karla" incentive to use him now. As it stands I would use Bartre over the other 3 every time.

Like I said, its your call. If no one else thinks it too much then it shouldn't be a problem.

[Zeem]

Again, all three lords have PURELY COSMETIC and LARGELY POINTLESS class name changes just because I disliked that three completely different classes had the same name.

Ah, makes sense. Can't wait to see how this turns out.

[Blasied]

That Marcus nerf looks a bit extreme to me. I think he should have at least 10 speed. 8 speed on a hero just looks kinda jarring to me. With a spd boost and an iron sword instead of blade his earlygame softening utility could last longer than what it would with 8 speed and he would still get obsoleted like you seem to want him to.

Other than that, big tick of approval from me. Whatever that's worth.

[Mekkah]

bring the patch man

[Manix]

Going to echo the others on the Marcus nerf: If you're going to increase the enemy stats, then maybe it shouldn't be as harsh. Although, iirc, FE6!Marcus had stats like this, and he was okay enough.

hmmmm

[Burning Gravity]

ohhhh yeaaaaaaah

bring on the Furets

[Merry Sioux]

Rebecca and Wil still look bad

[dondon151]

Going to echo the others on the Marcus nerf: If you're going to increase the enemy stats, then maybe it shouldn't be as harsh. Although, iirc, FE6!Marcus had stats like this, and he was okay enough.

even FE6 marcus had 11 spd

9/11 in str/skl is what FE6 marcus had which was perfectly fine

Edited by dondon151, 17 May 2012 - 10:20 AM.