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[Lord Raven]

Looks like Donny's supports will reveal a shitton of FE lore, people should translate more of his supports

[Momo]

Looks like Warpskipping was canon then.

[VincentASM]

I can't believe it, but the lore got crazier than I imagined.

I just saw the conversation in Japanese now and Donny is clearly referring to the first Holy King. While there's a chance that the pegasus girl being mentioned is somebody very similar to, but not Caeda, it seems weird to mention all this if it weren't Caeda.

Still, I can't accept Marth as being the first Holy King until there's further evidence.

[Momo]

He said it was as if her lance had wings. In other words, a Wing(ed) Spear. It's her.

[arvilino]

He said it was as if her lance had wings. In other words, a Wing(ed) Spear. It's her.

Or it's previous owner.

Though

Tiamo: That's not all. Although she's godlike on the battlefield, conversely, outside of it, she has a sweet and warm heart. She might have even exceeded the First Holy King in charisma. In fact, many people turned on the enemy and joined the Iris camp due to admiration for her.

Castor,Nabarl,Roger(twice),Jake(twice),Lorenz and Samto only really makes it seem more like Caeda.

Edited by arvilino, 04 June 2012 - 02:23 PM.

[Lexington]

Looks like Donny's supports will reveal a shitton of FE lore, people should translate more of his supports

The Donny x Olivia Support was the one, that gave us the hints about the Leanne x Naesala story.

Maybe all of his supports have connections to other FEs?

[Thor Odinson]

x Serge and x Liz doesn't, but x Serge gives a very interesting tidbit about Serge's own history.

[VincentASM]

I'm not 100% clear on the game's lore, but in my endeavour to solve the first Holy King's mystery, I stumbled upon Marth's description on the background site.

Unless I'm reading this wrong...

Marth is the Hero King who saved the world from destruction long long ago.
Legends tell of him vanquishing the evil dragon with a sword blessed by the divine dragon.

Don't tell me I have to go full circle and start believing Marth really is the first Holy King. Still, I find it curious how they never refer to Marth as the Holy King. Maybe the "evil dragon" referred to here is Medeus, rather than Gimle?

I just can't believe that Marth could save the world not twice, but thrice.

Edited by VincentASM, 04 June 2012 - 03:53 PM.

[L95]

Wasn't the 'Holy king' a thousand years after the 'Hero King'(Marth), though?

[Othin]

Wasn't the 'Holy king' a thousand years after the 'Hero King'(Marth), though?

And that's the main problem.

Just five weeks from Wednesday night and we should get some answers.

[VincentASM]

Wasn't the 'Holy king' a thousand years after the 'Hero King'(Marth), though?

I didn't bother mentioning it in the article, but I'm not 100% sure if it's been exactly 1000 years since Gimle's demise.

The term they use, 千年前, is very slightly ambiguous and I think it could mean "thousands of years", but it seems most Japanese fans (and I) read it as "one thousand years".

Edited by VincentASM, 04 June 2012 - 04:19 PM.

[Othin]

I didn't bother mentioning it in the article, but I'm not 100% sure if it's been exactly 1000 years since Gimle's demise.

The term they use, 千年前, is very slightly ambiguous and I think it could mean "thousands of years", but it seems most Japanese fans (and I) read it as "one thousand years".

Poking around a bit with Google Translate, it seems 数千年前 is a more specific way to express "thousands of years ago" specifically as opposed to just "one thousand years ago". So correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that if they wanted to make it clear that they were referring to multiple millennia as opposed to just one, they did have a term available: it's possible they chose not to use it, but I'm not sure why they would omit the clarity if that was the intended meaning.

[Thor Odinson]

If I was saying specifically one thousand years ago, I'd go with 一千年前, but that's just Chinese. Not sure if Japanese is the same way, but they did borrow a lot from Chinese, so...

IMO they might just be trying to be intentionally vague about it.

[NeonZ]

Maybe "First" Holy King isn't the same as the "Holy King" who defeated Gimle? Or do they specifically call him "First Holy King" all the time?

[Othin]

If I was saying specifically one thousand years ago, I'd go with 一千年前, but that's just Chinese. Not sure if Japanese is the same way, but they did borrow a lot from Chinese, so...

IMO they might just be trying to be intentionally vague about it.

Well, the character you added is also in Japanese, so it seems like it should work. Google Translate translates 一千年前 as "a thousand years ago", so yeah.

On the other hand, having it translate "a thousand years ago" or "one thousand years ago" into Japanese still just gets 千年前. So it seems it's a valid way of expressing it, but based on my very uneducated guesses, I'm getting the impression that people just tend to not express it that way in Japanese. Which is, again, an indication that the "one" might be understood, that in Japanese 千年前 might only be used to refer to one thousand years as opposed to more.

And of course I must emphasize once more that these are all really just guesses speaking as someone who knows little Japanese.

Edited by Othin, 04 June 2012 - 06:18 PM.

[Aeon]

All this talk about the difference between "Hero King" and "Holy King" has really got me thinking. Though it's likely irrelevant, I didn't notice something interesting. All of the DLC characters receive a title. (I.E. Hero King Marth, Young Lion Roy, Restoration King Ephraim, etc.) While Marth's DLC title is Hero King, I find it somewhat intriguing to notice that Alm's title is "Holy King Alm." So as far as the difference between Holy King and Hero King, I'm seeing three possibilities.

1) Alm is the Holy King, or perhaps some ancestor of his was the Holy King. (Marth + Alm = Cousins?! :D)

2) The Holy King was from ancient Barensia, not Arkaneia. This or course would portray the Hero King title as Arkanean only, and the Holy King title as Barensian only, but that seems unlikely.

3) It's completely unrelated and it is merely referencing the ending dialogue of Gaiden where Alm is referred to as a Holy King.

I know the first one seems extremely unlikely, but I thought it was worth noting.

[Othin]

So the Holy King, Krom's ancestor, now has close identity ties with three FE lords: Marth, Alm, and Ike.

...Are we sure those three aren't all the same person?

[Rewjeo]

Well, from what I understand of Japanese, you wouldn't say 一千　to mean one thousand, because while we go in multiples of one thousand (one, ten, hundred, one thousand, ten thousand, hundred thousand, one million, etc.) they go in multiples of ten thousand (いち、十，千、一万, 十万、百万）. Like how we wouldn't say one-ten million.

[L95]

I'm so confused, LOL

Man, Marth does a lot of crap, doesn't he? XD

Edited by L95, 04 June 2012 - 06:41 PM.

[Aeon]

So the Holy King, Krom's ancestor, now has close identity ties with three FE lords: Marth, Alm, and Ike.

...Are we sure those three aren't all the same person?

Judging from the plot of Kakusei, I see an amnesia trend.

Triple Amnesia. Timeline solved