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[Peekayell]

Rules: (borrowed from Colonel M's thread)
- H3 (Lunatic Mode), assuming that Lunatic Mode was done previously
- Stat boosters are allowed, as I believe a person should only be doing an efficient playthrough with them. You can obviously accomplish without them, but it's a bit more difficult.
- Rainbow Potion, Maturity Drop, and Bond Drop are allowed for this playthrough.
- Time-clock events are banned, primarily because the results are too random to reflect what is more likely to happen in a playthrough.
- WiFi Shop is also banned due to the random days to access certain items and weapons, plus the in-game clock cannot be abused to obtain what the player could use or need.
- Efficiency, which entails a low turncount with a high probability of success (at least I will try)
- Minimal resetting, which means no rigging for growths. There may be some exceptions pending on what happens.

Maturity Drop will be going on Marth without question. Bond Drop will go on My Unit.

MU build:
Past- Orphan (+2 Str/Mag base, +5% Str/Mag growth)
Present- Beautiful (+1 Skl/Spd base, +10% Skl/Spd growth)
Future- Humane (+10% Def growth)

Base stats:
18 HP 8 Str 4 Mag 9 Skl 9 Spd 3 Lck 5 Def 6 Res Lance D

Growth rates:
60% HP 40% Str 5% Mag 60% Skl 65% Spd 60% Lck 40% Def 10% Res

Progress:
MU, prologue 1 and prologue 2
Prologue 3
Prologue 4 Athena Route
Prologue 5 and Prologue 6 Draug
Prologue 7 Cain
Prologue 8
Chapter 1
Chapter 2
Chapter 3
Chapter 3x
Chapter 4
Chapter 5
Chapter 6 and 6x
Chapter 7
Chapter 8 Part 1 2
Chapter 9 Part 1 2
Chapter 10
Chapter 10x
Chapter 11 Part 1 2

Turns:
Prologue 1- 4/4
Prologue 2- 4/8
Prologue 3- 5/13
Prologue 4A- 4/17
Prologue 5- 4/21
Prologue 6D- 3/24
Prologue 7C- 4/28
Prologue 8- 9/37
Chapter 1- 8/45
Chapter 2- 7/52
Chapter 3- 17/69
Chapter 3x- 6/75
Chapter 4- 7/82
Chapter 5- 11/93
Chapter 6- 6/99
Chapter 6x- 1/100
Chapter 7- 5/105
Chapter 8- 3/108
Chapter 9- 6/114
Chapter 10- 2/116
Chapter 10x- 1/117
Chapter 11- 5/122
Chapter 12- 6/128
Chapter 13- 7/135
Chapter 13x- 2/137
Chapter 14- 5/142

Edited by PKL, 04 October 2012 - 02:58 PM.

[Serious Bananas]

GO PKL YOU CAN DO IT


So you're not raising a Cavalier? I thought Ryan was mediocre in Lunatic.

[Lightli]

Female Cavalier.

MAKE IT

[eclipse]

I see a lack of Staff Thing and Wendell/Etzel in there.

Base MyrmiMU:

HP  Str  Mag  Skl  Spd  Lck  Def  Res
18   5    0   12   12    3    4    0

HP  Str  Mag  Skl  Spd  Lck  Def  Res
70  35    5   50   60   60   25    5

With your options:

HP  Str  Mag  Skl  Spd  Lck  Def  Res
18   7    2   12   12    3    5    0

HP  Str  Mag  Skl  Spd  Lck  Def  Res
100 40   10   50   60   60   30    5

I think that HP growth is overkill. Here's what I'd do instead (Farmer's Child, Kind, Recluse):

HP  Str  Mag  Skl  Spd  Lck  Def  Res
22   5    0   12   12    3    5    0

HP  Str  Mag  Skl  Spd  Lck  Def  Res
80  50   15   50   60   60   30    5

MU can take early hits better. Have fun with the Lady Sword~!

Edited by eclipse, 08 June 2012 - 12:18 PM.

[Peekayell]

I see a lack of Staff Thing and Wendell/Etzel in there.

Base MyrmiMU:

HP  Str  Mag  Skl  Spd  Lck  Def  Res
18   5    0   12   12    3    4    0

HP  Str  Mag  Skl  Spd  Lck  Def  Res
70  35    5   50   60   60   25    5

With your options:

HP  Str  Mag  Skl  Spd  Lck  Def  Res
18   7    2   12   12    3    5    0

HP  Str  Mag  Skl  Spd  Lck  Def  Res
100 40   10   50   60   60   30    5

I think that HP growth is overkill. Here's what I'd do instead (Farmer's Child, Kind, Recluse):

HP  Str  Mag  Skl  Spd  Lck  Def  Res
22   5    0   12   12    3    5    0

HP  Str  Mag  Skl  Spd  Lck  Def  Res
80  50   15   50   60   60   30    5

MU can take early hits better. Have fun with the Lady Sword~!

Well, Myrmidon MU kinda needs the base str to KO jagen in a timely fashion doesnt she? Ill test your build if I get myrmidon MU before I test mine :P. Im currently experimenting with recording stuff like camstudio and the desmuME built-in recorder but no luck. Camstudio gives me an error whenever I try to boot the program and desmuME's recording quality sucks, not to mention it lags horribly.

EDIT: As for staffbots, yes, Ill use a few.

EDIT 2: Did a quick test of your build and she couldnt beat jagen :(. Needed the 3 vulneraries and still couldnt KO him without him killing her.

Edited by Professor PicKLe, 08 June 2012 - 12:33 PM.

[Peekayell]

Run 1

Uploaded my run with Eclipse's build. Is the quality good enough? Am I playing too fast?

Edited by Professor PicKLe, 08 June 2012 - 12:59 PM.

[Stark]

I recommend Mrym MU Orphan/Kind/Honorable. I'm of the opinion no speed growth is too high with reclassing in the game, especially if there's no growth rigging.

[Peekayell]

I recommend Myrm MU Orphan/Kind/Honorable. I'm of the opinion no speed growth is too high with reclassing in the game, especially if there's no growth rigging.

I prefer the def of kind over more spd growth. I probably wont get myrmidon anyway (look at poll) so i would like to know what build is best for PK...

[Balcerzak]

Run 1

Uploaded my run with Eclipse's build. Is the quality good enough? Am I playing too fast?

Encode quality is terrible, IMO. Toothache has a lot of good suggestions on capture and encode process, I would definitely recommend you look him up.

As far as play speed, faster is better than slower.

[Lord Raven]

i dont see why MU isnt an archer or a mage

[eclipse]

Hmm, I guess. Can she pull it off with the +1 STR/MAG option?

[Peekayell]

Encode quality is terrible, IMO. Toothache has a lot of good suggestions on capture and encode process, I would definitely recommend you look him up.

As far as play speed, faster is better than slower.

Thanks. I will talk with Toothache. That means this run will be delayed until I get recording access though. Hopefully, it wont take too long.

Hmm, I guess. Can she pull it off with the +1 STR/MAG option?

Yeah, I think she could pull it off, but she would waste all my vulneraries just surviving prologue 1. So Its not a good option over orphan, who would save me 1 vulnerary use, as well as a turn.

Btw, poll is now closed. Looks like pegasus knight won. I will be using this build:

Past- Orphan

Needed to KO jagen and the soldier ASAP so I dont waste more vulneraries/turns than I need to.

Present- Strong

Needed to even survive the prologue. The +2 hp really comes in handy. +1 def is not enough to survive prologue :(.

Future- Honorable

More skl/spd proc chances.

Is there any other build that can do prologue 1? I was thinking of +2 spd base to double the soldier and have enough spd for prologue 2 to double rody (and maybe luke) without having to rely on 70% spd procs...but Jagen would be a PITA to take down without orphan.

Btw:
Note: Pegasus Knight winning doesnt mean Ill stay pegasus knight MU forever. I am free to reclass her starting in Chapter 1 to fit my needs. I might be using Cavalier MU ocasionally.

Edited by Professor PicKLe, 09 June 2012 - 07:16 AM.

[Peekayell]

Started because according to tootchache my computer is too crap to record vids without emulation lagging horribly. Sorry, I will be taking screens.

Spoiler - MU creation, prologue 1 and 2

Past- Orphan

I chose Orphan because I need the str base to ORKO the soldier and defeat Jagen quickly. With any other option, My Unit falls short of KO'ing them and she dies.

Present- Beautiful

More spd base so she can double the soldier if he didnt proc spd and so she has a modest chance of doubling rody next chapter.

Future- Humane

Thinking of the future, I will want her to be a bit bulkier so I decided to go with more def growth.



Her bases now allow her to 3HKO Jagen and 2HKO the soldier, while doubling him.



As you can see, she cleanly ORKOs. This saves a vulnerary use that I might need later on, as well as a turn.



She can also cleanly 3HKO Jagen. But, first I patch the wound she received from the soldier and stand in front of Jagen.



As expected, they both hit each other. I patch her up and end the turn.



Then in Player Phase, she takes him down and levels up.



Thank you, My Unit! Lack of lck sucks, but its a great level.

Prologue 1 done in 4 turns.


Prologue 2



So, Rody sucks even as an enemy :/. Turns out my unit can double him and 3HKO him now. Luke's AI seems focused on going after Ryan while Rody seems to focus more on My Unit. Either way, they WILL gang up on someone if they have the opportunity.



My turn 1 formation. Luke goes after Ryan always even if MU isnt on a fort and he is. Ryan takes the hit and the fort heals him to 12 HP so he can take another hit next turn from luke if needed.



Next, I have Ryan move to that spot and chip on Luke. MU attacks luke too and sits on the fort. I did this so Luke could go after Ryan from below so then MU can finish him off and lure Rody next turn.



He went after Ryan from below just like I wanted. Ryan chips at Luke again and MU takes the kill and lures Rody.



He goes after MU. She doubles him for 22 damage. Ryan chips for a tiny bit of exp that he needs and MU takes the kill.



Not bad. (this levelup was in EP3, i didnt actually finish in 3 turns)

Prologue 2 done in 4 turns.

Edited by Professor PicKLe, 09 June 2012 - 09:48 AM.

[Peekayell]

Spoiler - Prologue 3

Prologue 3

So I start off by looking at the boss of the chapter and everyone's stats. And theyre pretty ridiculous.



She ORKOs everyone not named Luke or MU. -_-



This took a good while to figure out, and many deaths. This positioning means that the fighter goes after ryan and the merc goes after luke.

In turn 2, i killed all the enemies there.

Turn 3, I lured the other fighter with MU.



And Ryan took the kill. MU then went down to lure caeda (using a vulnerary).



Caeda 3HKOs full HP MU and MU 3HKOs back too. So, she hits caeda in EP. Then in Player Phase and Ryan finishes her off, leveling up.


Thats the same level MU got back in Prologue 1. Ryan is off to a good start.

Prologue 3 done in 5 turns.

Idk if I couldve cut a turn here but after that levelup, I dont want to redo it anyways.

Going athena route btw.

Spoiler - Prologue 4 Athena Route

Wow, this chapter was a tough cookie what with Athena doubling everyone except Shiida and there is an archer prick in the map...anyway, I managed after like 5 tries and found a good positioning that allowed me to 4 turn the map :D.

I had multiple failed runs. One of them was me expecting the archer to go after wrys immediately in turn 1, but instead the myrmidon moved first, doubled and ORKO'd iron sword luke -_-.


So much for minimal resetting...

Anyways, onto the succesful run itself:

MU killed the myrmidon after caeda weakened him and leveled up.



No lck again, expect me to rage a lot about crits in the future -_-.



This is practically the only turn 1 formation that works without repercussions later on. The archer goes after wrys and rody gets hit by the soldier. Then all is well...



as you can see in this image. The archer can proc more str IIRC but it never happened in any of my failed runs so it must be very low chance.



I now had Ryan kill the soldier. MU ORKOs the archer. Caeda attacks the myrmidon and wrys patches her up. The myrmidon SD'd on caeda. The mercenary went after her too and all is good. Then, Ryan kills the merc and levels up.



Nice, but weird level. no hp or skl, which are his highest growths lol.



I patched MU up with wrys. And had luke kill the soldier while Caeda moved to block Athena from going for the others. In EP, she goes after Iron Lance Luke, who barely survives a round with her. He hits her back. Then in Player Phase 4, I have caeda attack her, then ryan massive chips her and MU gets the kill.



And she got another level:



No str :(.

Prologue 4 Athena done in 4 turns.

Edited by Professor PicKLe, 09 June 2012 - 03:16 PM.

[Serious Bananas]

I can see MU's bulk (or rather, lack of) is starting to be a problem. I'm interested to see how you'll tackle Athena. Are you training a Cavalier, or are you just going to use Palla as one?

[Peekayell]

I can see MU's bulk (or rather, lack of) is starting to be a problem. I'm interested to see how you'll tackle Athena. Are you training a Cavalier, or are you just going to use Palla as one?

It is indeed a problem. I have to come up with strats just to make everyone live -_-. P4 Athena was specially troublesome like I had told you. Im probably making MU my cavalier after prologue. Oh, also added P4 Athena to the post above you.

EDIT: made a small mistake. Ryan actually leveled up after he killed the mercenary not the soldier. I got confused but too lazy to edit.

Edited by Professor PicKLe, 09 June 2012 - 01:24 PM.

[eclipse]

Interesting. Have fun with the next one, and uh. . .kindly avoid Ogma.

[Peekayell]

Interesting. Have fun with the next one, and uh. . .kindly avoid Ogma.

Yeah, I will go Draug since Ogma looks terrifying. Shame too, because hed probably be more useful in P8...speaking of Draug, should I reclass him to pirate in chapter 1?

[eclipse]

Who did you plan on deploying, and as what? Draug will be WTN with the exception of the thief that pops out of the cave. . .and Lorenz, but lolLorenz.

[Peekayell]

Who did you plan on deploying, and as what? Draug will be WTN with the exception of the thief that pops out of the cave. . .and Lorenz, but lolLorenz.

I think everyone is deployable in that chapter.

I had this planned:
Arran- General
My Unit- Cavalier/Myrmidon
Ryan- Hunter
Luke- Myrmidon
Rody- no idea
Cecil- Pegasus Knight
Draug- Pirate or Cavalier?
Gordin- Archer

I plan to talk to lorenz because he looks like a PITA to take down in H3 and I will want the Mend.

Edited by Professor PicKLe, 09 June 2012 - 04:23 PM.