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[Shinori]

Posting before I head off to work after having a long talk with Eclipse.

I currently think best idea might be a no lynch as well, I admit i thought of it before manix brought it up but didn't put too much time into it at that time.

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I feel that BBM, iris, and eclipse should go to brinstar
And EVERYONE else should go to castle siege. We can make use of a tracker, two roleblocks, a redirect and a supposed doctor on that stage. BBM can plant a bomb on brinstar for tommorow and if someone dies on brinstar we go with a 50/50 chance between the two to lynch there.

Anywho i have more to say but I have to go now, eclipse can say more if she feels it is needed.

[eclipse]

Will confirm that was the gist of the convo I had with Shinori. I asked him to post it earlier than later, so people would have time to discuss it.

[Manix]

I feel that BBM, iris, and eclipse should go to brinstar
And EVERYONE else should go to castle siege. We can make use of a tracker, two roleblocks, a redirect and a supposed doctor on that stage. BBM can plant a bomb on brinstar for tommorow and if someone dies on brinstar we go with a 50/50 chance between the two to lynch there.

I am perfectly okay with this as well. Although, SB's stage is apparently randomed, and he can't act tonight as well (from what he's said), so eh

So basically, we have a hook, a redirect, a possible doc and me (which gives another hook, safeguard, or tracker, depending on what we need) Figuring all that out would take more time than I have at this present moment, so mull it over people

[BBM]

@Shinori- If we're in MYLO, and my bomb goes off randomly and takes out a townie, we lose, assuming a successful mafia nightkill. It's much safer that I go to Castle Siege, especially if we end up nolynching today.

BTW, another reason why I think SB is scummier than Prims/Core is because of how hard Prims went after Scorri, who's confirmed scum. The reason I shot her in the first place was because of some of the scummy stuff Prims pointed out that I hadn't noticed. It's possible that Prims bussed her, but I still can't believe that we don't have a Doctor. And even if we didn't have a Doctor, can you imagine any mafia who would dare Tailor someone into a Doctor, one of the most common roles in mafia? Who would assume, in a 19-player game with a SK, that there's no Doctor?

[Shinori]

@ BBM: Involving all this doctor business. Look at it this way, there is a mafia and an sk. Weeee. 2 kills a night plausible usually garuntees a doc. Now what if it was a smaller than normal mafia, okay easier to kill, now take in to account all of the killing power that town has. Poketrio kill vig with unlimited shots as long as he does them every other day, plus lynchs, PLUS two cops. Scum doc seems extremely likely in that scenario.

Mind you I find SB more scummy as well, also bigbang sometime tells me your bomb won't just randomly blow up on the night you put it there, it might blow up the next night. the only thing about castle siege is that we need castle siege for my redirect ability since it might go askew on brinstar. And I don't want you over there because if you are there, well, they kill you. and that's that, then we are at a worse scenario than we currently are. which sucks. We could potentially doc you if doc is true though...I have to think a bit more about this stuff.

[Deliriyum]

So are we going to lynch today?

FMPOV, the candidates are SB, Manix, and Shinori. I'm leaning towards a SB lynch. Because his existence makes little sense in context. The other candidates are Shinori and Manix, I guess. Manix seems more townish of those two, imo.

[Serious Bananas]

Seeing as how I can't get them to lynch you, I'd prefer a no lynch instead of being misinformed and possibly losing the game as a result of it.

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[Deliriyum]

I guess no lynch works.

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[Manix]

You may actually need to vote for No Lynch if you want it, I just checked the rules and it says nothing about non-voters counting towards No Lynch.

Just saying.

[Deliriyum]

##Vote: No Lynch

[Lævateinn]

. . .

Can we not have a game without a modkill, thanks.

not+without, two negatives, soooo... you want every game to have a modkill? I see...

No, I did not use up my single death quote until now. I planned to save it for later but this was too good an opportunity to miss.

Edited by Luster Purge, 20 July 2012 - 09:02 PM.

[BBM]

Shinori, think about it. You said yourself, we had two cops. Two cops means that there is less likely to be a third investigative role, not that there is less likely to be any protective role of any kind. The poketrio also has only one shot, which they can use only when they're all gathered. If any of them had been killed earlier, there would never have been someone town-sided other than me with a killing ability. And consider that in some ways, I am actually weaker than a normal vig who can only kill every other day. Sure, laying down a mine makes it so that I can kill cross-stage and therefore I was able to hide my role from the mafia for a slightly longer amount of time, but it also requires me to predict what stage scum will be on. Consider that if the last Day's plan to put all the obvtown players on one stage had worked, my mine would have had a 0% chance of killing scum.

Also, maybe bringing in ongoing games isn't entirely valid, but Iris is and was being a lot more active in MoMM than she is or has been here. It makes me think that she's lurkscum here. I'm calling the scumteam as SB/Iris/Manix at the moment. Manix because something feels off about him for me, but that last spot could be Eclipse too.

[BBM]

##Vote: Serious Bananas

[Iris]

shush proto

why do you guys want to no lynch

##Vote: SB

I'm feeling scum team as SB/Manix, and eclipse if somehow scum has 3 members. :/ also, I may not be the one to talk, but manix how come you're not really scumhunting? normally you're more agressive. :/

[Iris]

I feel that BBM, iris, and eclipse should go to brinstar
And EVERYONE else should go to castle siege. We can make use of a tracker, two roleblocks, a redirect and a supposed doctor on that stage. BBM can plant a bomb on brinstar for tommorow and if someone dies on brinstar we go with a 50/50 chance between the two to lynch there.

We are going with this, correct?

[Manix]

Well what am I going to do? Seriously, I've made my point clear.

My scumreads right now and SB/Core, and Shinori.

I'm not convinced that SB is town, but conversely, Core could still be scum, who bloody knows? I sure as hell don't, and by now, I should. I'm not risking a mislynch, kthnx. because if it is 5/3 for whatever reason, we lose.

Also, wrt to roles: You do know that what you're doing is speculating? We don't exactly know the setup (because any one of us except BBM could be fakeclaiming), and that the game is balanced around what roles are actually present. Whether that is because town doesn't have a doc or whatever, who knows. And it could still be possible to have 3 town aligned investigative roles. Considering it's a 19 player game, it's still entirely possible. Now stop doing this otherwise I will berate you in postgame.

in other words: stop making assumptions about the setup that we might still not be aware of

[BBM]

What is a nolynch going to get us at this point? If we're in MYLO right now, it puts us in LYLO tomorrow, with nothing other than another dead townie.

It gives us a slightly better chance at guessing correctly tomorrow, but that's it. We have to risk a mislynch at some point, whether it's this phase or the next day.

I am against nolynching, but if we're going to do it, where is everybody going? It's vitally important that people are split up properly so that the death gets as much info as possible.

Also, guys, consider that the mafia has a protection pierce, because the Poketrio should have been immune to one attempted kill. I don't know if this pierce is a permanent role or a one-shot thing, but putting me, Core, and Person3 on a stage does not automatically mean Core is scum if I die even though he was on me.

[Shinori]

if we are at mylo right now and we wait until tommorow then tommorow we get more info from tonights nk, and then we also get bbm's vig shot.

[Shinori]

I already stated where I feel we should all go. We still have time though so I'm not voting or submitting a stage until sometime late tonight or tomorrow.

[Manix]

What is a nolynch going to get us at this point? If we're in MYLO right now, it puts us in LYLO tomorrow, with nothing other than another dead townie.

It gives us a slightly better chance at guessing correctly tomorrow, but that's it. We have to risk a mislynch at some point, whether it's this phase or the next day.

Firstly: If you weren't confirmed I'd almost vote you for contradictory statements in the same post.

And it gives us a very good (if not almost guaranteed chance of) picking the scum targets tomorrow. And then the next day, etc.
To think though: We have more information tomorrow: wouldn't it be better to chance the mislynch then? If we're in MYLO today, then LYLO tomorrow isn't going to make much of a difference.

And if we lose because of this, I will take the verbal lashings for it.

I am against nolynching, but if we're going to do it, where is everybody going? It's vitally important that people are split up properly so that the death gets as much info as possible.

SB is apparently randomed a stage, but I think that either of our setups would be good enough. I'll look into it.