77 replies to this topic

[Elieson]

FE10 should just be rated low tier, for poor availability.

[Zeem]

Agreed. It doesn't even come with free silvers.

[Florina Stark]

I dunno if it's just me, but I didn't see too much negative bias in Soren's thread...

There was plenty. Lots of people dont like him for some reason.

Fiona is higher than i thought! lol!

To be honest, save for a couple of people that could be shifted around a bit, i think the ratings are good enough. I agree with id say...95% of it.

[Colonel M]

Tanith? Possibly, but to be fair flying is kind of awesome in certain chapters like 3-11. Pity that her combat is kind of mediocre.

[Olwen]

Tanith? Possibly, but to be fair flying is kind of awesome in certain chapters like 3-11. Pity that her combat is kind of mediocre.

Dunno, transfers Tanith is pretty badass.

[Colonel M]

Dunno, transfers Tanith is pretty badass.

She's definitely a lot better with transfers. Vanilla Tanith just kind of strikes as "okay" if it wasn't for her flying skills.

[Samias]

Tanith joins a circumstantially good time, when fliers and maybe Titania are the only ones who are going to make it to the other end of the map in a reasonable timeframe due to pitfalls. I don't think she's too overrated considering she's as strong as a trained Marcia. Actually my feelings on a vanilla Marcia are more of an "okay" than vanilla Tanith, but Marcia gets a few more chapters to work through.

[Constable Reggie]

The issue with Brave Bow is that it's B Ranked and Leo starts at a paltry D. Considering most people aren't going to use him seriously in Hard Mode, he'll be lucky to even reach C Bows.

I thought we assume that characters in question are being used throughout, since that's the only reason my Gareth vote was kicked.

[Starwave]

Lol I bet you guys were dreading my appearance. WELL I HAVE ARRIVED. Ok... RTUs, where do I start hrmg. Oh I know.

The single, biggest, problem with RTUs were the fact that the majority of users who participated in them have never played HM. It's a effect that's been reinforced after I replayed through HM again. Users try to refute, but at the end of the day cold hard experience matters of theorycrafting. The are a few exceptions to this rule, but for the most part we had users using the NM experience and "hard modifying it.

The second biggest problem we had was bias. There was just so much bias. For the sexy characters. (99% of the guys on this site have tried to make a harem party, I know it) for the characters that they think are badasses... the bias was fucking annoying. Furthermore, there was the asinine acceptance of vote "bending." I'm going to give this character a low score because people are overrating them! That's pathetic... it's sick even. We shouldn't condone biases.

The 3rd problem was inconsistency. Please refer to the Soren & Calill threads (again) and the Tibarn thread. It's simply hilarious how inconsistent the RTU voters were. On some days unit length matters and on others it doesn't. I'm not even going to touch the Nolan / Sothe / Nailah bs. I'll accept that it was a small fuckup since they're all good, but if you've played HM and you haven't mastered it then Sothe is pretty much required for 90% of part I and most of Part III.

4th: Massive amounts of PEMN. "Lol I think Tibarn is a shitty unit but I use Tanith and since she does well I think she's a better character." That was probably the worst offense (no offense dude!) and general obscenities like that. I don't like how you're backpedalling Lucina. If these threads weren't mean't to be taken seriously, then why did you enforce strict rules and expect users to comply with them in order for their votes to be accepted? Transfers were barred from these threads so we weren't allowed to use em. Sheesh.

If I come across as some infallible god... please, do yourself a favor and stop taking everything I say too seriously. I've made some mistakes too. (giving Neph a 7+ bias, LOL.)

Edited by Starwave, 17 July 2012 - 02:34 PM.

[General Banzai]

Lol I bet you guys were dreading my appearance. WELL I HAVE ARRIVED. Ok... RTUs, where do I start hrmg. Oh I know.

The single, biggest, problem with RTUs were the fact that the majority of users who participated in them have never played HM. It's a effect that's been reinforced after I replayed through HM again. Users try to refute, but at the end of the day cold hard experience matters of theorycrafting. The are a few exceptions to this rule, but for the most part we had users using the NM experience and "hard modifying it.

The second biggest problem we had was bias. There was just so much bias. For the sexy characters. (99% of the guys on this site have tried to make a harem party, I know it) for the characters that they think are badasses... the bias was fucking annoying. Furthermore, there was the asinine acceptance of vote "bending." I'm going to give this character a low score because people are overrating them! That's pathetic... it's sick even. We shouldn't condone biases.

The 3rd problem was inconsistency. Please refer to the Soren & Calill threads (again) and the Tibarn thread. It's simply hilarious how inconsistent the RTU voters were. On some days unit length matters and on others it doesn't.

4th: Massive amounts of PEMN. "Lol I think Tibarn is a shitty unit but I use Tanith and since she does well I think she's a better character." That was probably the worst offense (no offense dude!)

If I come across as some infallible god... please, do yourself a favor and stop taking everything I say too seriously. I've made some mistakes too. (giving Neph a 7+ bias, LOL.)

Wrong, the single biggest problem with RTUs is that people think that they should be anything other than what they are: popularity contests.

[Zeem]

The second biggest problem we had was bias. There was just so much bias. For the sexy characters. (99% of the guys on this site have tried to make a harem party, I know it) for the characters that they think are badasses... the bias was fucking annoying. Furthermore, there was the asinine acceptance of vote "bending." I'm going to give this character a low score because people are overrating them! That's pathetic... it's sick even. We shouldn't condone biases.

Hmm...do you want to go back to some characters and remove bias points? Boron (Xin Li, as you know) and I did that for the FE9 RTU endgame thread before we just gave up.

[Bryan]

Hmm...do you want to go back to some characters and remove bias points? Boron (Xin Li, as you know) and I did that for the FE9 RTU endgame thread before we just gave up.

I honestly thought the RTUs should stay as they were in the beginning. They were intended to have bias and such, otherwise it turned into another tier list.

[Tyrant Sage]

Lol I bet you guys were dreading my appearance. WELL I HAVE ARRIVED. Ok... RTUs, where do I start hrmg. Oh I know.

The single, biggest, problem with RTUs were the fact that the majority of users who participated in them have never played HM. It's a effect that's been reinforced after I replayed through HM again. Users try to refute, but at the end of the day cold hard experience matters of theorycrafting. The are a few exceptions to this rule, but for the most part we had users using the NM experience and "hard modifying it.

The second biggest problem we had was bias. There was just so much bias. For the sexy characters. (99% of the guys on this site have tried to make a harem party, I know it) for the characters that they think are badasses... the bias was fucking annoying. Furthermore, there was the asinine acceptance of vote "bending." I'm going to give this character a low score because people are overrating them! That's pathetic... it's sick even. We shouldn't condone biases.

The 3rd problem was inconsistency. Please refer to the Soren & Calill threads (again) and the Tibarn thread. It's simply hilarious how inconsistent the RTU voters were. On some days unit length matters and on others it doesn't. I'm not even going to touch the Nolan / Sothe / Nailah bs. I'll accept that it was a small fuckup since they're all good, but if you've played HM and you haven't mastered it then Sothe is pretty much required for 90% of part I and most of Part III.

4th: Massive amounts of PEMN. "Lol I think Tibarn is a shitty unit but I use Tanith and since she does well I think she's a better character." That was probably the worst offense (no offense dude!) and general obscenities like that. I don't like how you're backpedalling Lucina. If these threads weren't mean't to be taken seriously, then why did you enforce strict rules and expect users to comply with them in order for their votes to be accepted? Transfers were barred from these threads so we weren't allowed to use em. Sheesh.

If I come across as some infallible god... please, do yourself a favor and stop taking everything I say too seriously. I've made some mistakes too. (giving Neph a 7+ bias, LOL.)

Rate The Unit topics

Serious Business

[frat_tastic]

I honestly thought the RTUs should stay as they were in the beginning. They were intended to have bias and such, otherwise it turned into another tier list.

This. This this this this this.

[Zeem]

I honestly thought the RTUs should stay as they were in the beginning. They were intended to have bias and such, otherwise it turned into another tier list.

That's a great point. We were only curious to see what the scores would look like without the bias, though, but the argument going on in the thread made us stop.

Oddly, Rhys didn't change at all.

[Starwave]

Rate The Unit topics

Serious Business

You better believe it buster.

[Baldrick]

Oddly, Rhys didn't change at all.

Probably because nobody cares about him.

[Sirius]

Tellius wins " Continent with the worst RTUs" award. Tellius thanks all participants who made it possible.