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[ClLoulD]

Come to think of it I would like it if Zelgius joined up with Ike and Michaiah after there fight but then he wouldn't of "Given it his all" because that is really all he ever wanted to do against the Legacy of Gawain, however I would of liked if he survived on the second playthrough or whatever and that was how you would then recruit Sephiran.

[Jotari]

I'm surprised more people aren't considering Izuka. Sure it'd make little sense in the story but...summon spam!

[etern]

Summon is only used in his stage. Izuka has no specific skill to summon Feral Ones.

[Jotari]

Where talking in the hypothetical here. his class is summoner, if they decided to make him playable they would have given him the ability to summon.

Edited by Jotari, 22 October 2012 - 03:54 PM.

[NinjaMonkey]

I'm surprised more people aren't considering Izuka.

I can't believe that you are surprised that people don't want to recruit some creepy, old guy, I really can't.

[You Know Shinon Is God]

Levail, Zelgius and Jarod or Hetzel. Hetzel really wasn't a bad person, so I forgive him. Jarod had plenty of lost potential because of the fact that he died. He seemed like an ass, but in the end, he wasn't so bad. Besides, it was probably the damn senate that corrupted him. :I

Levail was just way too nice and honorable to have had to die. Plus, he was one of the few opponents who actually had their priorities straight.

Zelgius I think could've talked to Sephiran before the last fight. I would have wanted to see how that turned out. As for the whole joining process, I'm pretty sure he and Ike could have come to an understanding. They used to be at each other's throats, and by the end were treating each other in a whole different manner. They respected each other, which says a lot about Ike's growth from their first encounter. Even by the end of PoR, even though he still wanted to fight him, he was at least level-headed about it and respected his opponent. They treated each other like they were playing a game of go, I swear. Like it was some friendly fight and defeat and they weren't about to try lopping off the other's head. Plus, Ike claimed he was excited at the idea of facing him again in battle. Sounds like they would've been better off as sparring buddies than enemies.
And then when Ike leaves Tellius after the Epilogue, Zelgius can go out, find him, and forcefully drag him back. Sorry, Ike, but by build, he could haul your ass from Daein to Begnion without breaking a sweat.

[Jotari]

Jarod had plenty of lost potential because of the fact that he died. He seemed like an ass, but in the end, he wasn't so bad. Besides, it was probably the damn senate that corrupted him. :I

In the end he wasn't so bad? The end showed him in his worst light by far. Sure he was completely screwed by the senate but in that situation most people would either run away or get bloody revenge against those who wronged them. Jarod went and slaughtered innocents for no reason other than he had nothing left to do. That's the whole reason for part 1 end game, Daein has already won by that point, Miciah and co are stopping Jarod from trying to kill as many citizens as possible in the mean time. And do I even need to mention how he casually slaughtered his own soldiers just because? That alone is slightly a tad above not so bad in my opinion never mind the whole massacring people that have nothing to do with him because he has nothing better to do.

[You Know Shinon Is God]

I mean to his men. He wanted all of them to go out with their honor, rather than execution.

Jarod was also probably being ordered by Begnion. And no, the end did NOT show him in his worst light. Slaughtering his own men did, and that's the very beginning. When I say "in the end", I'm also talking about "He was a good soldier" and whatnot, going to bury his fallen comrade who he clearly cared about. He wasn't entirely heartless, and probably could have been saved. He would have been irredeemable if he'd just shrugged off the loss and said, "Good; he did his job. He's dead and I'm still alive." But he didn't. He cared. He's a lot less of a villain than a LOT of people are who were with Begnion. Valtome's head should have been removed then burned. I don't know why Zelgius didn't ACTUALLY snap his neck instead of just threatening... I would have been ecstatic.

[Jotari]

I mean to his men. He wanted all of them to go out with their honor, rather than execution.

Jarod was also probably being ordered by Begnion. And no, the end did NOT show him in his worst light. Slaughtering his own men did, and that's the very beginning. When I say "in the end", I'm also talking about "He was a good soldier" and whatnot, going to bury his fallen comrade who he clearly cared about. He wasn't entirely heartless, and probably could have been saved. He would have been irredeemable if he'd just shrugged off the loss and said, "Good; he did his job. He's dead and I'm still alive." But he didn't. He cared. He's a lot less of a villain than a LOT of people are who were with Begnion. Valtome's head should have been removed then burned. I don't know why Zelgius didn't ACTUALLY snap his neck instead of just threatening... I would have been ecstatic.

Don't be fooled by his awesome speech, he was far from doing what was best for his soldiers. If he was thinking about his soldiers he would have tried to absolve them of the blame and place it on himself or if it was about honor, charged the Liberation Army's Camp. instead he, and I can't stress this enough, massacred innocents, to force his soldiers into a pointless last stand ultimately resulting in their death. Also while an execution would be a likely fate for him I highly doubt Begnion would execute an entire army that was following orders. Though he says We Jarod's last stand speech is really about himself and he happens to be the kind of person who wants to go down fighting with little care as to who he is fighting or what he is fighting for. When he was spared he had plenty of options to do next but he choose to do the most horrible and reckless thing imaginable. Don't get me wrong though, I think Jarod is a great character for all the time he spends around, he is just very far cry from the noble knight that got screwed over. The guys a pure monster with no remorse when it comes to taking lives.

[You Know Shinon Is God]

I think it's safe to say he'd has his soldiers either brainwashed or afraid at that point. They either believed it true or they were too scared that if they betrayed his expectations, they'd be killed.

I can see him going for the course of action he did because of his own honor and pride, though. For a soldier, it's not the best thing for one's ego to go running to the enemy's army and tell them how sorry you are after everything you did and pray for forgiveness. But then, Jarod wasn't too far gone that he couldn't come back and try making up for what he did in any way he knew how. Unlike, say, Ashnard. But Ashnard knew what he was doing and he was perfect in his villainy in that he WANTED people to hate him. And they did. So Ashnard got what he wanted anyway. He could do anything evil with no regret and get the hate he EXPECTED. Jarod, however, at least had some humanity in him.

I do like Jarod for his villain status. I just feel he could've been saved if he wasn't so stubborn.

But then, I think I'm fine with Ashnard as a unit, because I'm good enough getting him in the Trial Maps of PoR. :P

[xAlexMercer]

I think Jarod would really tear it up, but you have to ask how that would work plot-wise. He's more or less hell bent on seeing Micaiah dead. Although, being betrayed by the senate could give him a reason to switch sides, i suppose.