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#1 PKL

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Posted 12 August 2013 - 02:30 PM

Rules for the Tier List:

 

1. Lunatic Difficulty, Classic Mode.

2. No DLC, Skirmishes, Barracks, Event Tile Items or Spotpass.

3. Anna Merchant Shop items are strictly prohibited.

4. Renown is allowed up to and including the Bullion (L).

5. All parent characters are assumed to be recruited and alive.

6. Rescue is allowed. Nosferatu is allowed, except on Avatar and Morgan. Galeforce is allowed.

7. A unit's placement in the tier list is affected by:

 

* How they perform as a combat/support/utility unit.

* Advantages/Disadvantages as a pairup partner.

* How efficient they are, this can include, but isn't limited to: how their deployment affects turncounts, difficulty and reliability.

 

God Tier

 

Avatar(F)

Avatar(M)

 

Top Tier

 

Chrom!Morgan(M)

Morgan(F)

Frederick

Avatar!Lucina

Olivia

 

High Tier

 

Chrom

Cordelia

Libra

Anna

Panne

Tiki

 

Mid Tier

 

Rally Defense+Rally Speed Severa/Cynthia

Stahl

Sully

Cherche

Sumia

Lon'qu

Vaike

Say'ri

Kjelle

Lissa

Tharja

 

Low Tier

 

Maribelle

Henry

Nowi

Gaius

Flavia

Basilio

Kellam

Miriel

Ricken

 

Bottom Tier

 

Yarne

Gregor

Gerome

Nah

Noire

Virion

Laurent

Owain

Brady

 

Unusable Tier

 

Inigo

Donnel

 

 

Spoiler (Tier List with explanations)

 

 

Well, that's it. Discussion is welcome and encouraged.

 

Changes:

 

8/12/2013

Owain added to tier list. Olivia to bottom of Top Tier. Spoilered the Tier List with explanation and added one without all the paragraphs.


Edited by PKL, 12 August 2013 - 04:38 PM.


#2 Carter

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Posted 12 August 2013 - 02:35 PM

Glad to know that you don't think poorly of my girls.

 

And, I actually thought Severa's paralogue was the toughest, especially if her parents stats were indecent.

But, probably not for you, since Cordelia is in the "High Tier", so Severa's stats would be raised.



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Posted 12 August 2013 - 02:37 PM

Is rally speed really that needed?

 

I don't remember it being all that useful beside CH 2x Assassin


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Posted 12 August 2013 - 02:43 PM

"She also gets credit for being the only unit that can save Maribelle+Ricken, which is actually pretty relevant to this tier list because everyone must be recruited."

 

sumia and smart maneuvering can do this too



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Posted 12 August 2013 - 02:45 PM

Glad to know that you don't think poorly of my girls.

 

And, I actually thought Severa's paralogue was the toughest, especially if her parents stats were indecent.

But, probably not for you, since Cordelia is in the "High Tier", so Severa's stats would be raised.

 

Severa's is easy to trivialize by using Rescue and Galeforce. The enemy stats are pretty high indeed though, but in my recent casual-pace 3rd Lunatic run I managed to Rally Speed+Rally Defense her, though I have Morgan and Avatar with Galeforce. I can't do the same with any of the other paralogues though.



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Posted 12 August 2013 - 02:47 PM

Is rally speed really that needed?

 

I don't remember it being all that useful beside CH 2x Assassin

 

Enemy heroes starting in Ch16 have 28 spd. Unless your team is blessed, I don't see how Rally Speed isn't a neccesity. It's been ridiculously clutch in all 3 of my Lunatic runs.

 

"She also gets credit for being the only unit that can save Maribelle+Ricken, which is actually pretty relevant to this tier list because everyone must be recruited."

 

sumia and smart maneuvering can do this too

 

Oh, didn't know. I prefer to have Sumia slapped on Frederick at all times in that chapter. In any case, she completely trivializes saving them.



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Posted 12 August 2013 - 02:50 PM

How did you use MU under efficiency context? Pretty sure the WT is unusable. Feed during ch 1?



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Posted 12 August 2013 - 02:51 PM

Can you please say whether by "efficiency" you mean LTC, borderline LTC or even possibly something else?

Not sure about having kids that high up but MU!Lucina isn't better than Chrom!Morgan? What about higher availability (only by a little bu it's still something), dual strike+ and unlimited silver sword that's effective against dragons? She can also run the Mercenary set ou described.

(Maybe more when I'm on my computer)

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Posted 12 August 2013 - 02:52 PM

Lucina might have a hard time getting Free Galeforce

 

The fastest Galeforce is like.... Chapter 13, with absurd favoritism



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Posted 12 August 2013 - 02:57 PM

I was about to rage, and then I remembered it was no-grind. With that in mind, it's pretty accurate.



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Posted 12 August 2013 - 03:02 PM

Lucina might have a hard time getting Free Galeforce

 

The fastest Galeforce is like.... Chapter 13, with absurd favoritism.

 

So it's early GF and male exclusive classes (which aren't that great) vs. some availability, Parallel Falchion and Dual Strike+.

 

Dual Strike+ is actually really good for Lucina because children aren't going to be 1-rounding that quickly (1-rounding is always tough in LM anyway so...) and it gives her a better chance of extra damage. It also allows her to be a great support unit. 


Edited by Lonely Wallcrab, 12 August 2013 - 03:03 PM.


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Posted 12 August 2013 - 03:09 PM

Para store solves her issue so....



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Posted 12 August 2013 - 03:20 PM

Para store solves her issue so....

 

What is that supposed to mean?

 

No seriously.

 

 

Frederick > any kid. I mean, being pretty much necessary for the early game+being useful into midgame > Helping out from midgame and beyond.

 

Panne > Cordelia? I'm going to play LM soon so I can get a better grasp of enemy stats (I don't remember very well) but if I recall correctly Cordelia is incredibly frail while Panne has one of the best base performances in the game...



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Posted 12 August 2013 - 03:23 PM

Save Paralogue 3 and 4 for later date, and stomp it with the childrens thats what

 

 

Cordy is 2HKO by everything at the start, but Im not sure for the rest of the mode, because I never used her

 

 

To be fair, I have never used Avatar either



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Posted 12 August 2013 - 03:25 PM

I don't see many issues here, but it's kinda weird to see Olivia lower than Anna and Libra when she's pretty much a costless Rescue staff.

 

Overall I think it's accurate.



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Posted 12 August 2013 - 03:28 PM

Uhh... where's Owain?

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Posted 12 August 2013 - 03:29 PM

Save Paralogue 3 and 4 for later date, and stomp it with the childrens thats what

 
So... hurt adults. Help children? That EXP could be used to make Panne great, Cordelia good, someone else competent. Like Tharja. With that EXP she can get past her problem early on. 
 
I guess you can do it. Just note that it will probably hurt your team to not do them soon.
 

Cordy is 2HKO by everything at the start, but Im not sure for the rest of the mode, because I never used her

 
45% defense doesn't seem incredibly promising to me. 
 

To be fair, I have never used Avatar either

 
Say what? Try to have finished more than 1 playthrough next time JSND
 

I don't see many issues here, but it's kinda weird to see Olivia lower than Anna and Libra when she's pretty much a costless Rescue staff.
 
Overall I think it's accurate.

 
I would say it's how Anna and Libra also can heal. Levin sword!Anna is pretty great too. Olivia dies if she's even in enemy range....
 

Uhh... where's Owain?

 

Unusable tier. He's so unusable he wasn't mentioned.


Edited by Lonely Wallcrab, 12 August 2013 - 03:30 PM.


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Posted 12 August 2013 - 03:32 PM

Surprisingly nothing really irks me (maaaybe Lon'qu or Olivia) even though I personally disagree with a lot of specific positionings. I may bring up some points for consideration later if it feels interesting, but I don't really have much time nowadays. <_<

 

 

Not sure about having kids that high up but MU!Lucina isn't better than Chrom!Morgan? What about higher availability (only by a little bu it's still something), dual strike+ and unlimited silver sword that's effective against dragons? She can also run the Mercenary set ou described.
 

 

Lucina can't inherit both Veteran and Galeforce. However, Lucina can kill Grima efficiently and I'm not sure anyone else can...(I still have doubts about Chrom. Though weighing the impact of an efficient Grimakill is also debatable b/c it's really, really (really) silly.).

 

Though stuff like Rightful King and Tome rank vs. Aether matter a little bit as well. Lucina does take a tiny while to get to 1-2 range and it's just Javelins...

 

Who knows. >_> 

 

Re: Olivia: imo she's (much) better since she even doubles the exp of a lucky unit. Which matters quite a bit if taking advantage of Rescue/etc to the fullest. In addition, efficient kills of Walhart and Grima are much harder (nearly impossible to kill at all the latter?) without Olivia.


Edited by XeKr, 12 August 2013 - 03:36 PM.


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Posted 12 August 2013 - 03:36 PM

No one is inheriting Galeforce in an efficiency playthrough.

 

 

I would say it's how Anna and Libra also can heal.

 

I find forges a lot more valuable than healing because most chapters aren't rout after Anna and Libra show up. Healing is pretty damn useless in defeat boss chapters in this game.

 

Why am I bringing up forges here? Buying Rescue staves costs money.

 

Olivia should go up a lot. Bottom of top tier.


Edited by Chiki, 12 August 2013 - 03:37 PM.


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Posted 12 August 2013 - 03:49 PM

Though stuff like Rightful King and Tome rank vs. Aether matter a little bit as well. Lucina does take a tiny while to get to 1-2 range and it's just Javelins..

 

RFK won't matter until Morgan gets a proc. Which will take a while if he's taking the Mercenary route... does RFK affect Armshift? I guess it would be cool if it did.

 

Tome rank is conceded. 

 

Also GF is going to take awhile. Like Chapter 15 seems about right depending on how many child paralogues you do. Lucina gets to use this time to get stats, weapon ranks (for 1-2 range) and possibly supports over Morgan. 

 

@Chiki: I forgot about forges That's actually a really good point, I'm not sure how big of an effect they have though because I always forget to make them....

 

ALSO PKL: COULD YOU MAYBE REMOVE ALL THOSE EXPLANATION PARAGRAPHS? IF SOMEONE QUESTIONS A PLACEMENT IT SHOULD BE EASY ENOUGH TO GIVE THE EXPLANATIONS THEN.


Edited by Lonely Wallcrab, 12 August 2013 - 03:52 PM.






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