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Poll: Which one? (31 member(s) have cast votes)

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  1. Sky Attack (7 votes [22.58%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.58%

  2. Brave Bird (22 votes [70.97%])

    Percentage of vote: 70.97%

  3. Niether. ._. (1 votes [3.23%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.23%

  4. They're both awesome! :o (1 votes [3.23%])

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#21 Meteor

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Posted 02 December 2008 - 10:29 PM

Sky Attack is absolutely pitiful. Brave Bird, easily.

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Posted 02 December 2008 - 10:34 PM

People can gimp Sky Attack easily by flying, digging, diving, protecting, or detecting. And the wait isn't worth the 140, when you could've gone 240 with recoil.

#23 Gatrie: Guns Blazing

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Posted 02 December 2008 - 10:40 PM

Sky Attack is really the best choice, strategy-wise.

think about it:

All it takes is 2 turns to work AND its critical hit ratio is high.

Brave bird is strong...but if it IS effective, then expect some major recoil. Its a double edged sword...and not nearly as awesome as Darth Maul's dual lightsaber.

plus if you give your pokemon a special herb (forget the name) it can use sky attack instantly.

dont even get me started as to how awesome it is to see a bird combust into flames.

thats why sky attack is better than brave bird.

#24 Meteor

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Posted 02 December 2008 - 10:47 PM

Sky Attack takes two turns. BB takes one. /game

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Posted 02 December 2008 - 10:49 PM

Sky Attack is really the best choice, strategy-wise.

think about it:

All it takes is 2 turns to work AND its critical hit ratio is high.


Brave bird is strong...but if it IS effective, then expect some major recoil. Its a double edged sword...and not nearly as awesome as Darth Maul's dual lightsaber.

plus if you give your pokemon a special herb (forget the name) it can use sky attack instantly.

dont even get me started as to how awesome it is to see a bird combust into flames.

thats why sky attack is better than brave bird.


How? Because it has a chance of making the opponent flinch? Strategy is best when it doesn't rely too much on luck.

Flinch, not critical hit. It's 30% chance of success and you have to wait 1 turn for it... LAME.

Power Herb. Already discussed (sort of). Choice band is better.

Edited by Boo, 02 December 2008 - 10:51 PM.


#26 Gatrie: Guns Blazing

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Posted 02 December 2008 - 11:10 PM

How? Because it has a chance of making the opponent flinch? Strategy is best when it doesn't rely too much on luck.

Flinch, not critical hit. It's 30% chance of success and you have to wait 1 turn for it... LAME.

Power Herb. Already discussed (sort of). Choice band is better.

nuh uh uh~~....i forgot to mention flinch. its critical hit is high. just like slash. ;)

dont argue that its not, it is. I know my shit when it comes to pokemon.

and btw this is coming from a 3-time pokemon tourney 1st place winner.

Edited by Gatrie, 03 December 2008 - 12:31 AM.


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Posted 03 December 2008 - 03:14 AM

Staraptor can learn U-Turn. I taught mine.
Also, Brave Bird FTW. Staraptor is likely to be faster than many pokemon, so brave bird twice, get two out of the way, then either kamikaze or use Endeavor( reversal if it can learn it). Yay.

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 03:26 AM

nuh uh uh~~....i forgot to mention flinch. its critical hit is high. just like slash. ;)

dont argue that its not, it is. I know my shit when it comes to pokemon.

and btw this is coming from a 3-time pokemon tourney 1st place winner.

You don't know anything my friend. Were you playing noobs during those tourneys? Go on Shoddy Battle, play against some people, and tell me if you're still a "hotshot." These people on Shoddy are far more experienced.

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 03:28 AM

15 BB's > 5 SA's.

#30 Meteor

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 07:36 AM

I'm still wondering how 120*2 is worse than 140. The Power Herb trick is still probably not going to turn a 2HKO into a 1HKO, at least not with enough consistency to make it worth a moveslot AND your itemslot.

Edited by Meteor, 03 December 2008 - 07:36 AM.


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Posted 03 December 2008 - 07:59 AM

Sky Attack is one of those crappy moves from the first game Gamefreak need to forget about and delete from the move database. Charge-up moves are bad as it says to your oppent, here, have a free turn to switch to a steel type that'll laugh at the damage. You can't even play tricks like you can with charge.

While they're at it Razor Wind can also go away (imagine Sky attack with half the power, even less accuracy and a normal type...what is the point, plus it was a TM in the original games :( ).

I'd say Hyper Beam type moves need the skip recharge glitch* bought back as it will make players take the risk of using it to finish opponents off (if the opponent hangs on you pay by having to recharge).

*-If you KOed an opponent with hyper beam you wouldn't have to recharge. Of course those were the days that the speed base stat determined critical hit rate and moves like Rocus energy didn't actually work...they either did nothing or decreased critical to zero

#32 Meteor

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 08:34 AM

Sky Attack is possibly even worse than Hyper Beam because it recharges, THEN attacks. At least with Hyper Beam & Co. you might KO something.

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 08:57 AM

Brave Bird is far, far better, especially in competitive battling.

#34 Gatrie: Guns Blazing

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 10:48 AM

You don't know anything my friend. Were you playing noobs during those tourneys? Go on Shoddy Battle, play against some people, and tell me if you're still a "hotshot." These people on Shoddy are far more experienced.

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dont start a flame war with me. dont be pissed because I have my facts straight.

And yknow what? Those people were not noobs by any means. So DO NOT start flaming me on what I dont know.

last time i checked YOU do not live inside my head.

YOU have no FUCKING clue.

So grow up, a learn that maybe, just maybe YOU are the one who knows nothing.

not trying to start a flame war, just defending my position

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 10:52 AM

:mellow:

dont start a flame war with me. dont be pissed because I have my facts straight.

And yknow what? Those people were not noobs by any means. So DO NOT start flaming me on what I dont know.

last time i checked YOU do not live inside my head.

YOU have no FUCKING clue.

So grow up, a learn that maybe, just maybe YOU are the one who knows nothing.

not trying to start a flame war, just defending my position


...

Anyway, where the hell did you hear that it has a high critical hit ratio? And besides, even if it did, that's again... relying on luck.

#36 Gatrie: Guns Blazing

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 10:59 AM

...

Anyway, where the hell did you hear that it has a high critical hit ratio? And besides, even if it did, that's again... relying on luck.

i read it in the move description

anyway...im probably going out of my way to defend it cause:

1. it saved me a couple times
2. most of the tourneys i was in were pre-diamond/pearl tourneys

Edited by Gatrie, 03 December 2008 - 11:01 AM.


#37 Raven

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 11:06 AM

Sky Attack
PP: 5
Power: 140
Hit: 90%
Crit: As normal
Flinch: 30%

No critical hit ratio boost. Only flinch.

Data courtesy of Serebii.net


#38 Sirius

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 11:09 AM

i read it in the move description

anyway...im probably going out of my way to defend it cause:

1. it saved me a couple times
2. most of the tourneys i was in were pre-diamond/pearl tourneys

http://www.smogon.co...oves/sky_attack

http://serebii.net/a...skyattack.shtml

Just flinch.

@bold: I see, that's bias though.

#39 dondon151

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 05:29 PM

How can Sky Attack possibly save you unless your opponent was comatose and mentally retarded?

High CH rate isn't even particularly reliable anyway - 1 in 8 chance is a lot better than 1 in 16, but it still sucks and shouldn't be relied on. Unless you're trying to break a stall, but that's not something one plans for.

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 05:39 PM

Sky attack is a flashy niche move that has no place in competitive battling.




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