PowerOfKaishin

What seems to be the problem?

Another bug. This time in Chapter IV. Both bugs seemed random, like the thing ran out of memory.

A bug that caused a crash. I probably should've saved a snapshot of the game itself, but this happened during Chapter 3. Also, does the game only write to memory when it's exited? That seems dangerous.

Can't seem to turn on the game. I apologize if I missed the solution for this. This Debug window pops up for all of one second but I froze it long enough to get a screencap.

That sounds great. Do you have skype or aim or what have you that we can use to work out a potential deal?

This looks really rad. I was thinking about importing the special edition. Do any of you have any recommended sites to buy it off of? Also, I can't find info on this specifically, but is the special edition New 3DS only? I only have a regular 3DS.

I don't mean to be rude, but why are you guys working on a translation patch when the game is going to be officially released in a month or two anyway? Do you guys not like NoA's translation team? >_>

Sorta. There are multiple language skills. As a guy who comes from C, I'm still not used to object oriented programming.

What makes a good hack is akin to what makes a good game, but I suppose the major things are that hacks have to introduce something new not seen in the game, typically new maps, but new weapons and classes, albeit unnecessary, are cool too. The big difference is that they are extensions to a game and not new games themselves, so they have to introduce something new. I could talk ages on what makes a good game, but I'll touch on what you brought up and just speak what comes to mind. I hope you don't think I'm all over the place here. I agree that balancing is important and for most of the reasons you highlighted, so I don't have much to add. I'll say this instead: It's not as important as you'd think. Or rather, it's more accurate to say it's not as straightforward. You can actually stretch it pretty far. Take FE6's hard mode. Statwise (and JUST statwise), there are several OP characters: Shin, Fir, Rutger, Milady, to name a few. But Shin, Fir, and Rutger, despite having fuckall ridiculously flawless stats (and in the SMs case the +30 crit bonus) are actually balanced by the range limitations in that game (Fir is also balanced by being level 1, but I digress). No bow or sword user gets more than their favorable range in that game (with two tiny exceptions, one of which sucks and the other you don't get in the main game). For them, 2-range (or 1-range in Shin's case) is extremely annoying to deal with (impossible in Shin's case). Massive amounts of OP things are great as long as they have weaknesses, and those are the weaknesses of those three. The only really OP character in that game that everybody can agree on is Milady (if you debate this you are missing the point), who has all the tools to use 1-2 range effectively with her 7/8 movement points in addition to one-rounding things with javelins and generally being a top-tier tank. But she could be fixed by simply swapping her stats with Zeiss' stats (except level and CON) and giving her that speed weakness (maybe another nerf, this may not be enough). She's still a top-tier tank, but she can no longer one-round things as easily. She'll get bogged down eventually. More importantly, this no longer makes her definitively better than other units (except the armors, but that is an entirely different issue). Btw, this doesn't make Zeiss broken with his new (even more) ridiculous stats, since he's still an Est with a low weapon rank and a low level (still at level 7) entering chapters in which the enemies start to become extremely badass (that's his weakness). Ironically, if his stats are swapped with Milady's he's actually a worse tank. This actually brings me to turn requirements. You have to force people to complete maps quickly, or it really throws off the balance. What seems like an obvious conclusion in the face of arena abuse is dwarfed by the fact that having the ability to turtle through every single situation is bad. Reinforcements are best used to force the player to move quickly. That's why even though FE6's turn requirements for ranked are a joke, you still have to complete most maps quickly because reinforcements are so harsh in that game. Choke points and wide open spaces are both good in moderation. I have a feeling that when you say wide-open spaces you are imagining Shadow Dragon, New Mystery, or *shudders* Awakening, where it was mostly a chore to get across those giant maps and the massive area made strategy hard and in many, many cases, just plain boring. For all of its praise, FE4 has this same problem. A thing about map designing is that you have to change it up. Personally, one wide open map isn't bad, but it's not good to have multiple wide open maps in a row. I bash New Mystery for open maps, but one of the most amazing things about their map design is how all of the gaidens were nothing like the standard chapters. It was a refreshing break that forced you to change up strategies instead of using the same tried and true method from before. That is how maps should be designed. When you have a map to get to a castle, have another map to actually take over the castle. Generally speaking, any map a standard player could reasonably solo (with any unit at all) is also a badly designed map. Standard FE practice is of course to make a map that makes one utilize an entire team. This is generally done by making them numerous and by making the enemies always a threat (i.e. Manaketes did shittons of damage in FE6 and their accuracy made hiding on mountains a futile effort) or by directly doing it with Thracia's minimum unit requirements. Multiple paths is the phrase you are looking for, I believe. The big thing that makes maps suck is linearity. You want multiple ways to get to the objective, even if it's something simple like "the right path or the left path?". Any map that seems too linear can also have additional objectives like rescuing villagers, and visiting towns, and stealing and pilfering chests with thieves. Roy is actually one of the best lords gameplay-wise, because his weak stats in the face of FE6 HM enemies add another dynamic in the fact that you have to protect him. Btw, thieves cheese making good maps. They add so much depth to the game and options to use them should be added whenever possible. They add another dynamic because now you have more weak units that you have to protect or you can't get the goodies on the other end of the map and of course they add another objective in getting said goodies. Thieves should always have combat weaknesses. Generally speaking they should always have poor strength and defense, though introducing ones like Astohl or Legault before the enemies get tougher is acceptable as well. I love assassins but from a gameplay perspective they should be their own class, not attached to thieves. Although it doesn't make much sense considering the types of people they are, they should also not be able to pick locks. On that note, chest keys should never be a thing except in cases where you *cannot* have thieves (and even then, just remove chests from said maps and put them elsewhere), because they make getting chests mundane and boring. Need to get that objective? Just send the invincible Oswin with a chest key. Yeah no. Door keys are acceptable in some cases, but should be avoided if all door maps also include chests. Unlock staves are cool, however, since they aren't usable by every unit and the ones that do use them are generally just as frail as thieves. I put this on the same level as you do, except I will actually look at the plot if it seems even remotely interesting (I'll give it more of a chance, basically). I could talk about good story-writing for days, but I'll be brief and start with this: don't make Mary Sues. The same concept for characters' battle abilities applies to their personalities as well. They have to have weaknesses. There are some exceptions (who doesn't like Sanger Zonvolt?), but none of those should ever be the main character. It is almost always only acceptable for the main character to be flawless if they are a silent protagonist (like Link from LoZ or Riou and Tir from Suikoden). Keyword is "acceptable", because even then, a lot of that is because it is very difficult to give those characters flaws. Typically it's only done with silent protagonists if the player themselves make a bad decision (i.e. choosing for Riou to run away from his responsibilities). You mention Mark from TLP. I didn't really grow attached to him, but then, I didn't use him a lot. A lot of your platonic affection for him is presumably the fact that he spends less time talking and more time splitting heads in chapters. Another interesting point: if you did not use him in combat no doubt you would not like him as much. As they say, actions speak louder than words. It seems obvious, but I never hear it talked about. Rather strange considering this is what makes silent protagonists so good or characters that talk little so good. There's a reason the 3-13 archer is a fucking legend. Protip: If you make any easily dislike-able player characters, but that you want the player to grow attached to before they redeem themselves, make them very good in combat. Same applies to enemies. This is more of a specific example of something I covered above. It's an extension of the "changing the maps up" idea. But not all mission types are created equal. "Defeat all enemies" is a bad mission type, because it offers only one way to reach the goal. It's linear. There's less ways to approach it since all valid strategies end with you killing everything. Adding villages can help, but only if it is very urgent that you reach them (like if a brigand is within 10 or so spaces from a village on the other side of the map. Even then, that's a dynamic that doesn't need the "defeat all enemies" map requirement. "Escape" however, oh man. The almighty escape chapters are where it's at. Easily the most fun simply for the amount of tension that they bring, being surrounded on all sides and wondering what your next move will be and how you'll keep all of your allies alive. In a way they are linear, which contradicts what I've said earlier, but the tension is what makes escape chapters, so they have lee-way. If you want to avoid said linearity, you could take an escape chapter and add multiple objectives an escape points, you'd get something amazing. Something like this: http://www.fireemblemwod.com/fe5/guia/cap6.htm As stated before, mission variance can include multiple objectives (like rescuing villagers or visiting towns). Those should almost always be added whenever possible. Prepromotes are actually really important, because they provide lee-way if you mess up and make the beginning too difficult. Just don't make a Seth and shoot for a Jeigan and you'll be fine. A Seth eliminates options, since it's almost always the best choice and has no downside. As for cavaliers, they aren't necessary, but their multiple weapon types (multiple options for a situation) and amazing utility along with the fact that they have weaknesses (typical STR/SPD split) make them good choices for starting units.

I'm still interested in trying to code. I just don't want to do that monotonous assignment. If you have anything that requires a bit of thinking, let me know.

Actually, I meant to edit in the following line, but serene's crashed before I could do it. "Edit: Just looked at the Gyazo. That doesn't look as bad as I'd have expected. But it feels more like busy work than anything else, since a simple C application could do it. Honestly the hardest part would be how absolutely dreadfully boring it is to write and you still have to write quite a bit." Edit: Wait a sec. If you can't program what's your role in this whole ordeal? I was under the impression you were a part of the muscle. >_>

Asking me to do anything relating to romhacks is a hopeless endeavor. I know next to nothing about programming them. ;-; Anything else?

I mentioned my ability to code earlier but I didn't get a single response. I know that I pointed out a problem with letting me code, but I figured there would at least be a response or two. I was wondering what you guys were currently working on and what you had on your bucket lists that I could help with, to make it smaller and make FEXNA more complete and more importantly, closer to release. And get a hold of yourselves, doods. The arguments that woman made were very obviously meant to provoke. She was most certainly not being serious. You guys are better than this.

Oh, I don't know how I missed those. When you said in game options I thought you meant load up a file and do it from there. whoops Well that's just great, then. Can't wait until FEXNA comes out. What do you guys have left to do? I worked with C# over the summer so I might be able to help, but unfortunately I have no connections here other than a friend that likes to play drafts, so I can't really prove my validity as a trustworthy person.

It's not there. And why would it be? That's a strange place to put a window resize. Normally I'd just click the side of the window and re-size it. >__> I feel like we're not on the same page. You know how in VBA you can set the screen size to 2x, 3x, 4x, etc. as well as full screen it? That's what I'm talking about. Edit: I'm using a version from last november. When I downloaded it a month or two ago it seemed to be the latest. I just checked and the site says it's the latest.

Will there be a way to resize the window? It's way too tiny. I'm not talking about Da Vinci level graphics scaling, but 2x or 3x would make FE7x (and subsequently, the FEXNA engine) a lot more awesome. *runs* Seriously though, I didn't see functionality when testing out FE7x, so unless I missed it, I must know.

That's true. When I said power I lumped them both together. Gaining 500 levels puts you at the number for both, yes. Relatively, however, it is still the most difficult. Hard mode is difficult by itself, even excluding Sacae from the picture. Thieves give you stuff to make it easier, as well as obtaining a good chunk of the promotion items. Don't you RNG abuse to make that work? >_> For purposes of entertainment, that's fine, but uh... it's usually pretty difficult to pull off tasks like recruiting Percy in 13. I really do wish the turn requirement was higher, but as I played through it savestateless I can see why they gave you so many. They were expecting more casual players to play it, and as I pointed out, taking time killing everything on the map actually puts you at Par for a lot of the chapters. 10 turns for Idoun is ridiculous, though. Maybe you know more about this than me, but I feel as though training 5 units to godly levels and rushing for a large period of time and only stopping to arena abuse to meet the exp and power ranks could cause problems, especially considering how difficult savestateless arena abuse can get. This is hard mode, so what you quoted as a level 20/4 Miledy actually has 52 HP and 20 DEF, which makes quite a bit of difference. The ballista in 17 (Sacae) were annoying, but even they didn't cause too much trouble. I assume the ballista were what you were thinking of when you made this comment. Edit: Those stats also match what would happen if you promoted Miledy right off the bat and kept her at level 10/1, which matches a 0% growth run. Is that what you meant? Do I see a new challenge option? =D With some tweaking, of course.

It's not so much that, but more Miledy is so ridiculously durable that it's almost always redundant to give her the shield. With 20 DEF she takes 10 damage from a short bow shot, with 63~69 hit. A promoted MIledy takes 6 hits to go down, and that's only if they all hit. I mostly said that because generally most teams will have Miledy + one other flier. This makes most arguments a lot easier when it comes to who gets what. Admittingly, there were times where I would send her out with the shield to no damage a lot of things, but those strategies were more for hilarity than anything else. In most cases, even against the nomads, it's unnecessary. Edit: Changed this based on the requests of the above and below posters.

Relatively, power and combat are the hardest. Also because you only need 88000. =O I think turns is just there so you can't arena abuse forever and ever. daaaaaah, okay boss. Actually, you make a valid point with that exp thing. Now, is it more important than a bunch of gold and the horseslayer? Of course someone who's done an SSS-rank 0% growths run of Thracia wouldn't understand me when I say it makes the early game quite a bit easier. FE6 is nice in that you actually get to use all the shit you steal. well it's not like he isn't still very low. But he has more utility than everyone below him on Sacae. I thought it might be interesting. Well shoot me for trying to have some fun. Thanks anyway, though. Percy's overkill defense isn't doing anything Gonzo can't in Ilia. In Sacae, however, Percy's defense is no longer overkill and Gonzo's hit problems become readily apparent against enemies with 20 AS. In the remaining chapters, well, it's been pointed out multiple times that Gonzo is literally invincible on a mountain in 21. Also everything Woodshooter pointed out is valid as well. Percy in Ilia being redundant is pretty much the entirety of why he's so low compared to his Sacae counterpart. A good chunk of the higher units can take his place in a lot of the situations that arise in Ilia.

Yes, I know there is already one of these. After making a run through of this game, I felt like making my own instead of just debating the other one to see how I would do. Maybe turning this thing on it's head would be amusing for some of you. Assumptions: - Of course the player is assumed to be S-ranking the game - Average stats are assumed. Levels, however, are arguable. - There is no RNG abuse. The includes resetting at the beginning of a chapter for better growths (This lowers Lilina by a lot, and makes Alan and Lance strictly worse than Rutger as well as dragging Lugh down quite a bit, among others). - A unit is looked at by themselves. They are not compared to other units individually, but rather as a whole. (Cath isn't lowered because Astohl is better in every way. Comparitively, only two other units can do what she does, so she rises a lot.) - A unit's weapon availability, which is to say whether or not it must fight with other units for weapons, affects its rank. - Shin and Sue aren't penalized on the Ilia tier list - Tate and Thany aren't penalized on the Sacae tier list - The reverse is not true, and those characters all receive a bonus on their own list - Percival joins in chapter 15, with hard mode bonuses - A unit isn't lowered because they are mutually exclusive with another, generally considered better unit. - In most cases, arguing whether or not to bring a unit to chapter more than a few numbers after its joining chapter implies that you are regularly using that unit (don't argue that Echidna sucks in Chapter 21 at base level, though saying she sucks at level 6 or 7 is completely valid). Other considerations; feel free to argue: - The exp and power rankings are considered high priority - The combat ranking is important, but is secondary to the above two. - Funds is almost a joke. It can be reasonably assumed that every sword user in the party gets a killing edge when they become viable (even Roy, who potentially gets doubled and killed because of it). They can't use them all willy-nilly, but at the same time, conservation isn't a huge issue. Every axe user gets a killer, as it is by far the best weapon in that class save nearly non-existent silvers. Killer lances come later, but they too are a great boon and readily buyable. - The turns ranking, surprisingly enough, is only a joke if you rush through chapters. As I have discovered on a few maps, turtling puts you right at the number, and I believe that is what the designers were thinking when they assigned those turn counts. However, this forum is consisted of FE vets, so of course most of us will think it is a joke. - I need not comment on survivability, but remember that there are no valkyrie staves in this game. Merlinus' ranking is where it is because he can be bait the first couple of chapters. Access to the convoy isn't half bad either. - Ilia is considered free experience - Sacae's difficulty is weighted a lot more heavily than a good chunk of the other chapters. Why? Because of this: It is as difficult as the beginning of the game. Out of everyone, all four Sacaens/half-Sacaens (doesn't include Dayan) and either Tate or Thany with the body ring are doubling everything in Sacae route with silvers and irons (Fir has to use killers instead). I believe A-route Gonzales is as well, along with maybe Lance and Clarine (if she is as high-leveled as the rest). If a unit is getting doubled, they aren't getting used unless they have some serious durability (Douglas, or Zeiss with the Delphi Shield). The 3/4 chapters they are gone can cause them to be immensely underleveled. Basically, if they don't see fielding in Sacae, they're out for the rest of the game (with a few exceptions, of course). - Miledy is most likely not getting the delphi shield unless no other fliers are getting used. Nomads in Sacae get 15 MT weapons against a unit that already has more DEF than that at base level. It takes 6 shots to bring her down. - Most of the stat boosters are useful on several, but not all units. In particular, however, the Body Ring is vastly more useful on the pegasus knights, Ray or Echidna making it a decent assumption that one of them is getting it. - The enemies in this game aren't a joke (well, okay, except soldiers lol). The game isn't conducive to most units counter-killing (which is why Percy and Miledy are both near-top tier despite their late joining). Thus, with the turns ranking being as it is, units like Shin and Sue aren't penalized as much for not having an enemy phase before promotion. That, combined with a 3rd of the enemies in the game (even more on Ilia route) getting hit with 15 ~ 45 MT weapons, including a lot of particularly nasty wyvern riders, makes them rank much higher than in other games. - As Anouleth pointed out years ago, Astohl's ability to not-die in the later chapters does NOT trump all the shit Chad gets you in the extra 5 chapters he's around. Thieves tend not to see combat in most maps they are deployed in anyway. - 7-8 move is a wonderful thing in this game. Nearly all of the maps are massive and being able to move freely during enemy charges is nice too. - Every magic user has at least heal after promotion. Extra healers in the midst of battle is always appreciated. - Remember that because units aren't penalized for being strictly worse than others, making the statement "why bring Chad?" should imply you aren't bringing ANY thief. Ilia: Sacae: The placement of the nomads is probably going to get me a ton of shit. Shin's stats are as good as Rutger's (with slightly more strength and slightly less speed) while the only units that start doubling before Sue are Lance and Rutger (and technically Marcus, I guess), both of which are top tier units anyway. I stand by where I put them. While PEMN is important, I must break the code here. I have found that Alan does just enough with average stats to one-round a LOT of things that Lance leaves with 1-4 HP. Does anyone else notice this or is it just me? Units like Miledy, Percy, and especially Douglas went up quite a bit on Sacae route due to how badass the enemies are there. All three of those units can make suicide charges (that are totally not suicides) to diffuse a good chunk of the enemy army.

I haven't bothered looking through the 40+ pages because I assume everything that's been changed has been edited into the first post. I read through that and thought it was cool that characters like Ray are now a lot more useful. So, going off of that, I was wondering if you could increase the wyvern lord POW cap a bit. I know mounted units are supposed to have worse caps than unmounteds, but Zeiss' POW doesn't get room to grow because of that cap. Since it's obvious with his SPD decrease that's what you were going for as well as the fact that he is this game's Est unit and can't make use of his primary advantage, I feel you should increase that cap a bit, perhaps around 3 or 4 points (maybe even to 30, lol). Of course Miledy would get a boost too, but wouldn't be able to abuse it as well. As for names, is Milady the official name or just the one you took off of the wiki? I like Miledy better; sounds like an actual name even FE is the only thing that comes up with a google search of it.

I was hoping you guys wouldn't respond to this. >_e Airship Cannon: Give it a shot again. I think FETO is a pretty good game. It's not very deep nor active, but it'll keep you amused for a little while if you're the kind of person who can play it on and off. And who knows, maybe you'll enjoy it. As for the topic: God knows the dominant strategies would be crap like Galeforce + Siege Tomes or Nosferatu Vengeance Counter Suicide Tanks that never die.