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Dimitri has this he went from 68 to 75.

Alright thank you for clearing things up on that. @omegaxis1 I'm aware of Roku and past avatars being wrong about certain stuff (in fact the comic has this with Aang putting his foot down against Roku on killing Zuko for the sake of the world and later on reconciling with him) but to say Roku and them were wrong when someone who was still ultimately a tyrant in how they wanted to enforce their vision/changes upon the OTHER places that were doing just fine is why Roku and the past avatars were right to do so. Also just because their divided doesn't equate to they can't be in harmony with one another a point which Iroh himself brings up as a balance and why he deeply regrets almost seizing the Earth Kingdom. But this is precisely why I all the more don't agree with Edelgard's need to seize control of the other territories.

1. Edelgard's notion of crests being to blame is by and far the same argument of guns being to blame when no it's people or in this case nobility as it has and always will to an extent in every Fire Emblem game. Also not every place has been affected by nobility in the way that you speak of to warrant any of them wanting a war that jeopardizes their lives the way it has. Dimitri's point of asking Edelgard there had to be a way to change things in her territory without affecting the other territories outside her jurisdiction is a valid criticism. I cannot recall any place being oppressed like how in Radiant Dawn Beginion treats the people of Daein to the extent that they did and look there's no crests (in a ironic way those who are branded being the crests are the ones looked down on) involved hence why Edelgard's point about crests is moot as nobility will find ways to justify themselves as being superior regardless. At least in Code Geass there was plenty of examples of how Britannia treated the Japanese/Elevens as they called them to be full on agreeing with Lelouch's war for Japan's independence because it wasn't just nobility but even other commoners of Britannia who treated the Japanese like trash. 2. I'm sorry but that's conjecture as we never have any showings of civilians perspective nor ever mentioned of them seeing her in such a light. The ending from what is said is that she yes makes Fodland a better place for the people but so do the other things endings but the fact of the matter is that she's the aggressor that entered Faerghus that was defending itself and to say that no one from Faerghus would view her in a negative view is ludicrous especially when the Ashe battle quote I posted is likely thee view point many surviving remnant soldiers and civilians would have and for all they know they would be within reason to logically believe she started the fire. Dragon Rhea doesn't even transform back to human form upon dying so where would she get her evidence of this is Rhea who transformed into the dragon that set the kingdom on fire. I still take issue with the other statement you made in the other thread about blaming Dimitri when he was within his rights to defend Faerghus from the invader and was taking to his responsibility as king unlike in the other paths with AM being the one where he comes back on track in getting his priorities straightened out.

Yeah, you know that saying there's a easy way and a right way? I would say Edelgard's ending is the easy way as you say goes about it too extreme and fast which it does have its fair share of hardships during the course of the story but those hardships that will come back to haunt the Empire in the future for how they brought through force this change. Edelgard is without a doubt a well intention person who wants to give Fodland a brighter tomorrow, but I'm just reminded of Avatar the Last Airbender's Sozin in how he wanted to share his country's time of wealth and prosperity to the other nations through force too and we saw how that went and is in fact echoing back at Zuko as the Fire Lord now in the comics too in having to deal with the scrutiny the Fire Nation has because of their "war" that affected the world.

The video delves into exactly why I don't consider the Crimson Flower ending to be the best ending aside from Silver Snow for Fodland. As brought up at some point in the future there will be a retaliation at some point as this change that Edelgard as Emperor reaches to giving other territories such as the Leicester Alliance and especially Faerghus was brought through force with her being the aggressor that initiated the war. I say especially Faerghus due to the fact as mentioned in the ending it's wiped from the people's memory or as how apparently in the original Japanese translation it and the Church are erased from history. Whether this is due to Edelgard mirroring Rhea even more or she had no control over as after her passing those in the Empire wanting for them to not exist because as Edelgard herself states the other territories as offshoots of the Empire in not acknowledging they won their independence is up for debate but regardless the fact this happens is not a great thing to have to hear and would absolutely give to further resentment. Ashe: Our pride, our people, our king. You've torned them all apart. Haven't you had enough?! What else is there for you to take?! Me: Sadly enough your very kingdom's history too. I love Edelgard as a antagonist as she's well written but I just cannot for the life of me root for her as a protagonist hero and Crimson Flower just didn't help things as the things she could have done as brought up in the video where Claude does take to doing in trying to learn the true history of Fodland as opposed to what she's told and just going with it. As much as she can be compared to Lelouch from Code Geass (I have some differing opinions on this as I do view Lelouch far more justified in his overall actions than I do Edelgard but that can be explained another day) in the other endings she is a martyr in them as she is a source of the people who hate her for causing the war and the causalities of loved ones who were affected by it and they would have every right to despise her for it and I think she does willingly accepts that on some level as she tells Byleth to kill her in VW to make it so but does for all intensive purposes would rather be the one to see things through to end for the world she envisions brought up by her own hands hence why she doesn't accept Dimitri's hand reached out to her in AM, but instead throws the dagger right back at him to still fulfill the oath of the dagger to not give in no matter what but also to tell Dimitri to do the same in throwing his words back to him. The dagger being not only her salvation in how she considered herself weak without it and why she thanks Dimitri for giving her a reason to keep on fighting and live, but tragically setting up things between them to go down the way they did when they could have worked together for a path of peace.

How history is precisely written is what bothers me the most from Crimson Flower's ending as apparently the japanese translation was that the other two lands were wiped clean (I'll look for it again just to make sure) and it doesn't help that omega mentioned earlier that it was a historian's point of view about that which doesn't help but of course a nation's history never labels itself as the bad guy which the USA isn't the only one that has its own darkness like Japan and so forth but I don't want to get off topic. Edit: (I need to call it a night)

Randolph joins the army to further his family status despite the fact from what we're told him and Fleche were doing fine. Randolph was doing it for glory and trying to reap the benefits after the war for his work. I'm not seeing how the Adrestian Empire doesn't have the same flawed tradition and glory seeking fools as any other country in a Fire Emblem game... this isn't just a Faerghus only thing. Edelgard has people who join her side for the benefits that come to the victor like that one blond noble from the Leicester Alliance.

I genuinely want to understand where he's coming from with Dimitri is to blame for harboring Rhea when as @Shanty Pete's 1st Mate stated before why it doesn't make a lick of sense of it being fair to say Dimitri is responsible for what happened to the kingdom. Like that gives Edelgard the complete justified right to come through Faerghus as she pleases to get her? That wouldn't slide irl where other people would find it abhorrent. If Dimitri was granting sanctuary to someone that had openly proven crimes against humanity than that would be a better case, but here it's Edelgard's word alone.

Except Edelgard never brings up possible negotiations to our knowledge over the course of the apparent stalemate. Also what exactly is Faerghus toxic culture? Are you referring to the fact how they about chivalry when literally any nation ours too in real life is based on such a foundation of pride in one's country? There's nothing he can literally do about it, it's not like he can grab them from across the battlefield and slap sense into them. Them turning into monsters for the power boost is the equivalent to One Piece's Alabasta's 4 Elite Guards using the Hero's Water to die saving their king and country with their lives. Again I don't understand how you can side with Edelgard who is the aggressor no matter how you slice it she causes pain to the people of Faergus all because she doesn't at least try to have any open dialogue which is fine in character for her in how she's written but doesn't mean people have to like it and why they have a tough time supporting her methods.

On that I can agree with but just because the invitation is open doesn't mean you take it as Edelgard ends up being the aggressor which doesn't paint a pretty picture for how the rest of the world would see it.

As I just stated both of them coincide but he doesn't lose his responsibilities to the crown as he did in other routes where he's unhinged to the point that he is reckless with his life and dies in one because of it and that's why Edelgard's statement of him losing his sight as king is flat out wrong. Yes we don't know, but in not attempting to do so doesn't help put her in a good light and that doesn't invalidate Sylvain's point. So you agree that he and the rest of the kingdom weren't wrong to defend himself? But he's to blame for why the kingdom ends up the way it does despite the fact again he's doing what all of his predecessors would have done given the agreement between the kingdom and the church which he is again following his responsibilities. Edelgard still made a choice to attack and Faergus is defending itself rightfully so, Edelgard had a choice and she didn't want to keep with this stalemate as she wanted Rhea no matter who she had to go through.

The problem with your argument there is that she also goes after the Leicester Alliance which doesn't. Also we're never given nothing of a indication that Edelgard has talked to sending Dimitri a letter about handing over Rhea for such and such crimes. Dimitri is doing what all his predecessors would have done because from what he knows Rhea and the church people are in danger for something they may or may not have done. Also when did it become wrong for the nation being attacked to defend itself?

Where are you getting this he causes a war? There's already a war going on before hand that Edelgard declares when Rhea retreats to Faergus. Edelgard is the only one that declares war in every single path of 3H this does not change. Also you know full well Dimitri wasn't for Dedue along with the soldiers becoming monsters though they volunteered this was behind Dimitri's back as the rest of the soldiers viewed it to be their last stand to protect their king and the kingdom. Dimitri doesn't like it but the damage has been done already. Rodrigue and the rest died in trying to protect their home as they tried protecting it long before Dimitri was found in Azure Moon which I repeat again Felix says it best to Byleth in Azure Moon why they fight.

Explain where she was in all of this instead of saying had nothing to do with it when like or not from Dimitri's pov (the audience themselves too if AM was their first path) she just had a conversation with those that slithered that said they did it all for her so she can rise up. Also calling him "King of Delusion" was a disrespectful quip all that was needed to say was farewell Dimitri nothing more nothing less. Also you do realize that Dimitri and the rest of Faergus as Felix and the rest (church included in joining forces) say they joined Dimitri not out of love for the fool but because the Imperial Army and what it is doing needs to be stopped as they plunged the land into a war. They were fighting the Imperial Army before finding him so either way it made no difference.

I would argue the closest to that from Edelgard is her about to kill Dimitri in her telling him "Farewell King of Delusion" which was a unnecessary quip the same applying to Dimitri calling Randolph a monster when both should have just killed them and be done with it. Though actually with that said I'm aware Crimson Flower has some mistranslations though the Edelgard pretty much no you response still wasn't any better from what I saw in the actual translation in Japanese where as Azure Moon's Edelgard telling Dimitri he has no idea how the poor feels of what motivates them being nobility when she herself is too in being baffling was better explained in the actual translation.

Well you know Dimitri and Edelgard have the right to defend themselves or any person for that matter if their life is in jeopardy especially when it's the battlefield or attempted assassination kids included sad as it is. Reason why I ultimately get her killing Dimitri in Crimson Flower, what I didn't approve of was her taunting Dimitri when that was the information he had the time and her not explaining to him fully there as he was a king that was defending his country from the person who raged war in being the invader though that why in itself I don't for the like of me understand that line from Edelgard afterward with her saying that Dimitri lost sight of his path as king like.. what? When Crimson Flower is literally him having not gone insane in losing his path as king in being so obsessive with revenge that it makes him lose his responsibilities to the crown like the other routes just that him killing Edelgard and defending his kingdom coincide here which he was in his right to do so as any king should for their kingdom. Though hey another comparison between the two of them in being foils with Edelgard to Dimitri in CF and Dimitri to Randolph in AM.

I'm not fine with it like how I'm not fine with him taunting Randolph though jerkass had a point and should have just killed him to be done and over with it instead of torturing him which is what Byleth proceeds to do. I pointed out why it led him the way it did in the Gronder fight and why it wasn't a narrative OOC moment as opposed to Claude there in that battle. Last I check everyone agrees that Dimitri is off the deep end in AM and VW including his fans, no one is defending his actions just simply makes sense. I don't get why you can't come to terms with that.

When you're obsess with revenge you don't think rationally especially when you've been alone for 5 years on the run with assassins some of whom tried gaining your trust only to backstab you to then not being able to trust even prior allies fully. Also remember before that chapter in Azure Moon they come across Lorenz a Golden Deer/Leicester Alliance member the same as Claude who was their enemy in that fight as far as Dimitri is concerned that piles up on him not wanting to chance allying with Claude as to him probably just another obstacle that's keeping him away from his goal Edelgard.

Er... but it happens after Bernadetta dies which it depends on your view of it like say if you don't approve of Edelgard burning Bernadetta's corpse when she should be given a proper burial instead.

It's not a narrative short coming from Dimitri, it's in character if you paid attention to how his character has turned out after the timeskip the same way Edelgard can't find it in herself to trust people that could have made a lot of blood not having to have been spilled the way it did but she's trying to make sure she can reach her goal just like Dimitri can live for his goal which she too is in character. One fine example of how they're foils of each other.

Except for Dimitri there it wasn't OOC with the information we are given earlier about his paranoia to him telling Gilbert his "my enemies say the same" as we know that apparently he has had assassins after him some in which probably were friendly in gaining his trust where as Claude is OOC for a man who talked about being a perceptive tactician, if he had waited but Edelgard set up a trap where him and the rest of his army has no choice but to move forward which then causes confusion among the Blue Lions army in making them fearful (like a random npc solider can't take the pressure attacks in fear) they are about to be pincer-ed attacked excluding Dimitri than it would make sense due to a misunderstanding caused by Edelgard to make the two begin fighting as Claude would have no choice for himself and his army to defend themselves and vice versa.

Which then I can get for why either maybe Claude or Dimitri's armies thought or vice versa it was them that did that, but yeah not exactly helping too much to paint it as a well written 3 way battle. Though I think Dimitri makes sense to be everyone is my enemy as he does say this earlier about even those that call themselves his ally. Claude's the one that makes no sense what so ever like if anything him waiting to see how things play out is what he should have done which HE EVEN MENTIONS but then later on changes his mind instead to okay let's move in like... what? I could get him moving in if there was a trap that activated on his side of map that forces him and the rest of his side to go forward which causes Dimitri's army to worry that they're getting flanked by both sides.

From what I hear it was apparently suppose to be a fog of war map which... would make a lot of sense if you consider the cutscene to it even has fog and than you have Edelgard mentioning how both of the opposing armies won't be able to tell who is friend or foe.

But my point to you that I've based my argument on in making is not all lack of communication equates. And as you yourself said minor ones get resolved throughout supports and they're not earth-shattering like a full blown war. Of course it drives a lot of characters as that's human nature to have misunderstandings, but a misunderstanding that could have been avoided in at least trying is why I give a lot of credit to Dimitri in Azure Moon with him having a civil conversation with Edelgard as it's a upstanding moment for his character arc in how he himself found the right path again.

Except we know Dimitri is crazed and dies of it do due his recklessness. Where as Claude if I recall doesn't he try? Heck he even tells Edelgard he doesn't want to kill her to try and patch things up. How exactly can Claude's be put in a worse light? Unless you're referring to him keep secret about his heritage but that doesn't really throw Fodland into a state of chaos as the other two girls that I mentioned.